No because people that think that they are extremely skilled and can play in white gear with their oh so precious special snowflake builds have the right to be let into your group for one run then kicked on the second run since it becomes obvious they stink and you didn't have enough DPS for DPS race no 327 or they couldn't survive one shot kill mechanic no 87. People are entitled to waste your time and that of the other people in the group.If you do not agree you are an elitist jerk.

At least this is the usual argument anyway.

The lack of this feature is one of the best things about this game.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

No because people that think that they are extremely skilled and can play in white gear with their oh so precious special snowflake builds have the right to be let into your group for one run then kicked on the second run since it becomes obvious they stink and you didn't have enough DPS for DPS race no 327 or they couldn't survive one shot kill mechanic no 87. People are entitled to waste your time and that of the other people in the group.If you do not agree you are an elitist jerk.

At least this is the usual argument anyway.

Currently that is the way the game works , but dont forget the group leader is also entitled to kick anyone he believes is not doing enough.

Quite simple indeed.

PS: I love the fact the groups arent a democracy :P.

I forgot to put the <\sarcasm start > <sarcasm end> marker in my post.
You are right. In fact most groups that are worth actually joining have leaders that are not afraid to be labeled as jerks.

bedlom wrote: »

No thanks how about something that will actually be a good addition to the game.

Inflatable flying mudcrabs that you can ride?

PBpsy wrote: »

No because people that think that they are extremely skilled and can play in white gear with their oh so precious special snowflake builds have the right to be let into your group for one run then kicked on the second run since it becomes obvious they stink and you didn't have enough DPS for DPS race no 327 or they couldn't survive one shot kill mechanic no 87. People are entitled to waste your time and that of the other people in the group.If you do not agree you are an elitist jerk.

At least this is the usual argument anyway.

Frankly, this is how it is most of the time. People in the forums will always go on about "how a skilled player in random greens will outperform a bad player in perfectly customized epics blahblahblah", which in completely besides the point because in reality, knowledge about a game and skill at it are highly correlated.

Yes, you will occasionally still find people who don't know how to play their perfectly equipped character, but truth is, they'd be even more useless in bad gear.

GnatB wrote: »

the only reason I'm doing so is because I like how that item looks and want to know what I should be searching for in the stores/torhead/etc. in order to procure one for myself.


My personal experience is that people very rarely actually respond to questions about what it is they are wearing.

Yep, I have tried and failed at asking people what Motif they are using or what Dropped set that is. It's like they don't respond to Whispers. I am not stalking you, I am asking you a question. Now that I have discovered ESO Fashion, then I just get my ideas from there.

Hey, that would be a cool idea, a Fashion Show in the game. It could be populated by NPCs or PCs and there could be a runway and an announcer. Just something for lulz really.

Ok.... I say YES to the inspect but it should only show you a roleplaying-esque written description that is created by the player.

*INSPECT*

You see a surly Argonian warrior. His scales dry with the heat of many battles, his muscles taut with experience.

Cazic wrote: »

Yeah, I realize a lot of people wouldn't want it. That's why you'd have the option of disabling it. It could even be off by default so it's more of a voluntary thing. I agree it's not important enough to be high priority, but thought it would be a cool small added feature.

group looking 1 dk dps, inspection must be turned on or must me wearing x set etc. this is the kind of crap that WILL create, we are better off without it. if you absolutely need to know peoples builds in order play then only play with friends; thats your issue and it dosent need to become a game mechanic.
the only people who would have it turned on are willing to show you. so just talk to people about their builds and the people who want to share will. that is in fact much more social then looking at their character sheet to judge them.

Well, they said something like this is coming (at Quakecon I believe) and I for one think it's good, it might be way simpler though like an aggregate of champion points + gear quality. I've carried players through trials and I'll continue doing that (people who want to improve) but being able to inspect gear, skills would be a great help for me as a leader to give people tips and help them improve.

I don't get the attitude here where people seem to think that they are ûberskilled so they can run around in crappy gear and use Heavy Armor as a DPS in the hardest instances (while giving up 21% stam/mag cost reduction, crit/dmg boosts, penetration boosts, regen boosts). These things are way hard enough for average (yes, you probably aren't as good as you think) players without unnecessarily gimping yourself. I regularly play with stam builds and stuff in Trials, I don't care if your DPS is 800 or 1,2K if the higher is not required, and if it's lower I'll help you get it up.

After all, it's a game and we're all here to have fun but if you're let in to a group for hard content you need to be willing to work to improve and not be happy with dragging the group down.. because that kinda ruins the fun for the rest of the group (who want to constantly improve).

I'm all for giving people chances but I think people need to realise that certain gear and skills are good for what you're trying to do, others are just bad, and sometimes you need to adapt. This feature would not lead me to kicking people any sooner than I would anyway (which is if you don't listen), but would make it easier to suggest improvements to people. If I want good, clean runs in trials I'll turn to guild runs anyway and I believe most people do the same (i.e. if you're bad you wouldn't get in there anyway, inspect function or not).

I'd really like to hear some more constructive points on why the feature is bad from those of you who worry about the elitists not accepting you? Do you really want to play with them? And also, would you get accepted in to their group without an inspect feature? Is getting in to the group and being kicked after the first wipe really better? The elitists won't go away no matter how little features are given to them, people are the way they are.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

I'd really like to hear some more constructive points on why the feature is bad from those of you who worry about the elitists not accepting you? Do you really want to play with them? And also, would you get accepted in to their group without an inspect feature? Is getting in to the group and being kicked after the first wipe really better? The elitists won't go away no matter how little features are given to them, people are the way they are.

This isnt really a tool for true elitist players , even without this an elitist player will still have you link you gear on chat , if you dont want to do so , then you are kicked.

True this can be bypassed by having different sets and such , but if you dont perform an elitist player will still kick mid dungeon cause you are not doing enough. Show a bad build and such , also kicked.

And in the end elitists usually work in closed groups and guilds where once you get kicked that is it.

This tool is for PUGs and for having a better success rate with people you dont know.

If anything i find that the lack of this tool does make avoiding PUGs and running only with a guild/closed group(usually the best option) much more worth it.

Exactly the point I tried to make, only you did it better lol. ^^

This feature would be helpful for everyone who wants to perform well and help the group succeed. It would be bad for players who ruin dungeons/trials because they desperately want to use a build that is not good for their role.

Chufu wrote: »

Artemis wrote: »

I think it's a great idea. Just make sure to add an option in Settings where I can allow or forbid other players to inspect me.

Just imagine this.
-Hey, man, nice dps. What are you using?
-Oh thanks. I'm using Pulsar, Light armor, etc.
-I'm using them too, but I can't reach your level.
-Oh it must be your armor. Inspect me and look what I'm using.
-Thank you.
-Any time.

I think, it would be a nice feature

Mh yes for a little bit feedback about your self DPS it COULD be a nice feature.

But on the other hand, this feature would be used by raidleaders like this:

"What are you wearing? Boah man, you are so bad. We don't take you with us to the trial."

I mentioned this statement before.

I think at the moment, some players have a little bit inspecting by the dye-system. Some colors are hard to achieve and the players who get that, would dye their armor, so other players can see something like "oh this is the cool red, he was an emperor! WoW!"

I don't think we need an inspecting-system. If you imagine that, what would be come next? First step could be the inspectation of the armor. Next step is the expectation of skills and champion-points and so on.

---> You could install a system like this in a game which wants to have much theorycrafters, raids and NON-SOCIAL players.

By the way: If we would get an inspectation-system, most of the players would buy blue/epic/legendary items only to put them on and show "I have only blue items, I am the hero."

No, Tamriel should be free from such a feature. No inspectation-system. Fun is all AND "bring the player and not the class/armor"!

I understand many people have this concern, BUT the people who would not bring you along with the inspect feature - they will not bring you along today either. I ask my friends/guildies to post DPS when I lead, not to kick them out but to understand the groups strength/weakness and to help improve. Others will use it to kick low performers, the point is you're missing the point with:

"bring the player and not the class/armor"

It does not matter if you're the most leet amazing player this world has ever seen, if you walk in to AA as a DPS with full white non-set heavy armor and a 2-handed sword, you're going to drag the whole group down. Not everything is good for all purposes and everything SHOULD not be good for all purposes. If you show an understanding for this, a nice leader will let you come back with a newly crafted blue/purple+ medium armor with good sets and help you improve, an "elitist" leader will not let you in regardless... but guess what, he isn't gonna let you in today either, or he will kick you when you refuse to post DPS (or you post your "Lightning Storm Atronach (25s) 155 DPS").

I'm all for this being disabled by default, but it would be helpful for raidleaders to find likeminded people, and honestly that's better for everyone. It's better for that Heavy Armor 2H dude too, because he won't end up in a group where he gets flamed and then kicked for being 10x worse than everyone else.

Edit: I would also like to see my group members DPS/HPS/IPS as well, but I guess that's even more sensitive to some.

If you really want to know what something is that someone is wearing, you can ask them.

If you wish to be elitist, you can request potential group mates to link all of their equipped items.

Inspect has gotten a bad reputation and the majority of ESO players don't want it in game.

Elitists always find ways around that, though.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

For those of you that don't already know this:

The head game designer of ESO has stated that he really, really wants there to be an "overall character strength" indicator. This is pretty much the same thing as an "inspect" feature because it lets other people know just how strong you are in relation to everyone else in the group. So expect the devs to actually consider adding this and be ready for it.

I hope they never get to this feature.

I would rather that it be the other way around. People ask and the player gives if they want. We can do that now by linking equipment in chat, and that should actually be sufficient for most purposes.

I suspect that they want an overall strength indicator for their own purposes having to do with high end dungeons and trials. It will allow scaling to something more meaningful than level. I don't care if they have such a thing, but I want them to keep it to themselves.