oren74 wrote: »

Another thing that baffles me is...still 76% of people here are huge fans of the story. 90% say at a min. it's important.

Yet when I have been in a group, for a group dungeon, with a quest...not ONCE have I seen someone semi-left behind because they were listening to the dialog of the NPC. Seriously, been playing since launch, not once have I seen someone slow down to listen to the dialog...or even comment on what was going on.

Maybe the population of this forum is extremely skewed? Maybe that true majority just doesn't want to admit story has no interest to them...? I dunno.

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

The story is important to have, but I cant say that the story is the best part of the game for me. When I think of great stories in RPG games, ES is not the first one that comes to mind. The writing in 2 other RPGs that are very well known, are far superior. I will not name them as I do not wish to disrespect this amazing game. Its just that when I think of the story, the actual writing, this isn't at the top of my list of greats.

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thesilverball_ESO wrote: »

If there's no story what's the point in doing what your doing? Storyline gives you a reason to really be here in my opinion. I love the story and quests and would love more PVE solo quest content.

I would ask the same in Everquest. What are you doing fighting orcs and wolves in greater faydark? What are you doing fighting in crushbone? What are you doing hunting in the oasis of marr or grouping in lower guk? Or in DAOC, hunting in lyonesse in albion or darkness falls. There's no ingame story reason why you do any of those things yet you do them.

You don't need a story on rails to guide you. In my opinion games like this work better when the story is minimalized or takes a back seat.

I'm a gamer who's never really interested in the story though. It's one of the reasons I don't play modern RPGs or console RPGs. They feel like they're on rails and you're playing a character in a predetermined story. I prefer minimalist like Daggerfall or Everquest, where you essentially make your own story within the grander storyline, and the game doesn't hold your hand or guide you from one zone to the next.

ESO has great quests and good if repetitive VO (getting sick of hearing the same voices everywhere), but I don't like that pve seems highly focused on questing. I still do it; no other MMO I've played has done it so well and that's including Star Trek Online which I think has good questing.

oren74 wrote: »

Interesting, 80% of respondents say the story is a huge reason why they play...but there is rarely any discussion on the boards about the story,

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

thesilverball_ESO wrote: »

If there's no story what's the point in doing what your doing? Storyline gives you a reason to really be here in my opinion. I love the story and quests and would love more PVE solo quest content.

but the main story is completely off track of anything about the lore

This is just false. Not only did the main story fit within the lore, but it draws from multiple large aspects of the lore as a whole. You're free to not like it, but attacking the plausibility of the story vs established lore is a stretch at best.

allow me to explain to you the actual lore and history of elderscrolls.

Morrowind: The Tribunal Gods of Morrowind ascended to power and became living Gods using the Heart of Lorkhan in the 1st era 675 which is about 3,570 years before the events of Morrowind in the 3rd era.

So taking the ESO timeline of events happening around the 2nd era 578, the Tribunal Gods of Morrowind are at full power. So what possibly could stop them from just taking over the Imperiel city with their godly like powers?

Molag Bal? ha...the Tribunal defeated Mehrunes Dagon in open combat on Tameriel after Dagon destroyed the city of Mourhold, putting their power on equal footing with Akatosh(only Almalexia and Soth Sil fought Dagon, Vivec was not present).....so if only two Tribunal members can defeat Dagon, Molag Bal would stand no chance against all 3 during this time period....Molag Bal could not stand toe to toe with the full power of the Tribunal of Morrowind...neither could the Tongues of the Ancient Nords or Wulfharth/ The Ash King/the Under King / a part of Talos-

(Talos the deity is made up of Tiber Septim, Ysmir/Wulfharth, and Zurin Arctus, and The Last Dragonborn becomes the final forth piece to make up the deity Talos, in other words the The Last Dragonborn ascends to become part of Talos)

Ysmir/The Underking were defeated by the Tribunal at the Battle of Red Mountain. So honestly, there would be no battle for the Imperiel City under this time line, because the only thing that made the Tribunal Surrender to Tiber Septim was they were secretly being weakened by Dagoth Ur which started around the 2nd era 882. Dagoth Ur was asleep dreaming under Red Mountain prior to the 2nd era 882, so the Tribunal at the time of ESO were at the pinnacle of their power.

So according to ESO, everyone is battling for the Imperiel City, when realistically, the Tribunal could literally just float in (yes fly in), snap their fingers and clap, and everyone within a 1,000 mile radius would just be incinerated to ash and the Tribunal could sit on the Ruby Thone....at full power (Which the Tribunal is during the 2nd era 578) thats literally all it would have taken. The Tribunal were Gods...their power rivaled the power held by Akatosh and Shor....except they had physical form...to think they would just sit by and watch and not assume power or protect them selves from Molag Bal is just absurd....Afterall, Alamalexia could see the future I do beleive so she would know what he was planning ahead of time...they are living gods at this time afterall.

2. Why is there not one single mention of this incident in any lore book or history book?

Tamriel has some pretty darn good historians....nearly every thing that has ever happened in the past has been written down or documented some where, from the Dragon Break and the Warp in the West, to the TES Famous 2920- The Last Year of the First Era by Carlovac Townaway. We have documented books on the Dwemer, accounts of the Battle of Red Mountain, in the 1st era 700.

My biggest joy with TES is how extensive the history is....there is not one single mention anywhere about any Dark Anchors, a semi-quasi Daedric invasion by Molag Bal, or anything else for that matter. If this happened, according to lore, it would have been written down some where or talked about in a book. the Empire pretty much outlawed the book The Arcturian Heresy, yet copies of it can be found in some places, as history always finds a way to be preserved somehow.

This event with Darkc Anchors, etc is just as big of an event as the Oblivion Crisis of the 4th era...surely it would be written down somewhere.

Snakes and the warnings of snakes went unheeded and the land bled with ghosts and deepset holes unto cold harbors.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

thesilverball_ESO wrote: »

If there's no story what's the point in doing what your doing? Storyline gives you a reason to really be here in my opinion. I love the story and quests and would love more PVE solo quest content.

but the main story is completely off track of anything about the lore

This is just false. Not only did the main story fit within the lore, but it draws from multiple large aspects of the lore as a whole. You're free to not like it, but attacking the plausibility of the story vs established lore is a stretch at best.

allow me to explain to you the actual lore and history of elderscrolls.

Morrowind: The Tribunal Gods of Morrowind ascended to power and became living Gods using the Heart of Lorkhan in the 1st era 675 which is about 3,570 years before the events of Morrowind in the 3rd era.

So taking the ESO timeline of events happening around the 2nd era 578, the Tribunal Gods of Morrowind are at full power. So what possibly could stop them from just taking over the Imperiel city with their godly like powers?

Molag Bal? ha...the Tribunal defeated Mehrunes Dagon in open combat on Tameriel after Dagon destroyed the city of Mourhold, putting their power on equal footing with Akatosh(only Almalexia and Soth Sil fought Dagon, Vivec was not present).....so if only two Tribunal members can defeat Dagon, Molag Bal would stand no chance against all 3 during this time period....Molag Bal could not stand toe to toe with the full power of the Tribunal of Morrowind...neither could the Tongues of the Ancient Nords or Wulfharth/ The Ash King/the Under King / a part of Talos-

(Talos the deity is made up of Tiber Septim, Ysmir/Wulfharth, and Zurin Arctus, and The Last Dragonborn becomes the final forth piece to make up the deity Talos, in other words the The Last Dragonborn ascends to become part of Talos)

Ysmir/The Underking were defeated by the Tribunal at the Battle of Red Mountain. So honestly, there would be no battle for the Imperiel City under this time line, because the only thing that made the Tribunal Surrender to Tiber Septim was they were secretly being weakened by Dagoth Ur which started around the 2nd era 882. Dagoth Ur was asleep dreaming under Red Mountain prior to the 2nd era 882, so the Tribunal at the time of ESO were at the pinnacle of their power.

So according to ESO, everyone is battling for the Imperiel City, when realistically, the Tribunal could literally just float in (yes fly in), snap their fingers and clap, and everyone within a 1,000 mile radius would just be incinerated to ash and the Tribunal could sit on the Ruby Thone....at full power (Which the Tribunal is during the 2nd era 578) thats literally all it would have taken. The Tribunal were Gods...their power rivaled the power held by Akatosh and Shor....except they had physical form...to think they would just sit by and watch and not assume power or protect them selves from Molag Bal is just absurd....Afterall, Alamalexia could see the future I do beleive so she would know what he was planning ahead of time...they are living gods at this time afterall.

2. Why is there not one single mention of this incident in any lore book or history book?

Tamriel has some pretty darn good historians....nearly every thing that has ever happened in the past has been written down or documented some where, from the Dragon Break and the Warp in the West, to the TES Famous 2920- The Last Year of the First Era by Carlovac Townaway. We have documented books on the Dwemer, accounts of the Battle of Red Mountain, in the 1st era 700.

My biggest joy with TES is how extensive the history is....there is not one single mention anywhere about any Dark Anchors, a semi-quasi Daedric invasion by Molag Bal, or anything else for that matter. If this happened, according to lore, it would have been written down some where or talked about in a book. the Empire pretty much outlawed the book The Arcturian Heresy, yet copies of it can be found in some places, as history always finds a way to be preserved somehow.

This event with Darkc Anchors, etc is just as big of an event as the Oblivion Crisis of the 4th era...surely it would be written down somewhere.

Several Things

Dagon had manifested on Nirn, and made a b line to Mournhold when he was defeated. He was not at full power, and he was summoned. That was not a full scale invasion. Molag Bal is in Coldharbour, and consolidating massive amounts of power, and has been doing so for years.

As far as I know, the Tribunal doesn't give a rats tail about the Ruby Throne. That's Jorunn's job. Still, it makes sense that they'd rather have someone they could control in the Imperial City. Also, the writers have dropped hints that Vivec and Sotha Sil are preoccupied with something else.

As far as the Planemeld never being mentioned, there are several possible explanations, and it arguably was brought up in The Remanada.

Snakes and the warnings of snakes went unheeded and the land bled with ghosts and deepset holes unto cold harbors.

I think the most probable explanation as to why we haven't heard about it would be that after the establishment of the Septim Dynasty and the Pan-Tamrielic Empire, records of the Planemeld was actively erased from history. The Empire wouldn't want accounts of Reachmen on the Ruby throne, or necromancers given reign over the Imperial City while its citizens were being dragged from their homes and sacrificed to a Daedric Prince.

The historians aren't really that consistent either. Wasn't there a giant soul-sucking city floating around after the Oblivion Crisis that was just... forgotten?