50 dollar vets.

Maulkin · October 2014

adean27 wrote: »

I'm not really a fan of people purchasing end-game characters. I do understand the benefit, but it floods the end-game content with a wave of players who do not know how to play their characters. I think this would segregate the community even more.

Easy solution, mentioned 1 post up. Offer it only to players with at least 1 maxed character. So everyone who buys one has already done the main content.

Also from my daily expriences, I know that having a vr14 doesn't really mean you know your class or the game, at all. The number of vr14s who "stand in the red" in PvP and PvE is astonishing.

theyancey · October 2014

I would pay $70 + $15 per month for ongoing new solo PvE content. Oh wait . . .

adean27 · October 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

adean27 wrote: »

I'm not really a fan of people purchasing end-game characters. I do understand the benefit, but it floods the end-game content with a wave of players who do not know how to play their characters. I think this would segregate the community even more.

Easy solution, mentioned 1 post up. Offer it only to players with at least 1 maxed character. So everyone who buys one has already done the main content.

Also from my daily expriences, I know that having a vr14 doesn't really mean you know your class or the game, at all. The number of vr14s who "stand in the red" in PvP and PvE is astonishing.

Agreed, but if you only offer it to people VR and up, it's going to cause all sorts of other community issues. I think it's just something that needs to be left out of games in general, or at least waited until a game is a few years old.

The "now" mentality is just too prevalent in this day and age, and I'd hate to see it slip into gaming more than it has already done so.

Inversus · October 2014

You didn't make it clear at start that you'd already got vet characters, an option to pay for alts to be leveled straight to vr1 I'd be less opposed to - although I still think that's a bad idea.

adean27 · October 2014

theyancey wrote: »

I would pay $70 + $15 per month for ongoing new solo PvE content. Oh wait . . .

I get where you are coming from in terms of wanting solo content, I know not everyone has the time or schedule to get into groups or run 2 hour trials, or such. I also understand that a lot of people like the immersion of a solo style. So I really do get that.

But at the same time, I don't understand how people are shocked that a Massively Multiplayer Online game is focusing on group content over solo content. The whole genre is based on grouping. It's a very strange mentality, it's akin to going to an Indian restaurant and being offended that they only have Indian food.

Gedalya · October 2014

Soloeus wrote: »

I would happily pay $49.99 per character, to create a new alt and have that Alt be leveled to V1, with the main story complete and all skill points from those levels and main quests.

The lower part of the game is ultimately boring, and I would pay a lot of money to skip that boring content.

LOTRO has similar items for sale in the shop; I would like to see at least a robust shop, weather in game or otherwise: with things like pets, mounts, et al..

Maulkin · October 2014

theyancey wrote: »

I would pay $70 + $15 per month for ongoing new solo PvE content. Oh wait . . .

Only $15 a month doesn't come even close to the cost of developing new content every 6 weeks. MMOs work around the concept of having a community of end-game players, PvE or PvP, who will do the same content repeatedly and still pay $15. Their $ surplus will be used to support the huge cost of developing new content for the others.

The moment MMOs start to lose their end-game players is the moment they are screwed. Let's face it, you wouldn't pay the real cost of your solo PvE content which would likely cost as much as DLC, probably be $40 or more. The game would lose all it's customers and either go f2p or perish, like many other MMOs before it.

GoatKnuckle · October 2014

Zenimax add this. The goat will buy 8.

eyeseezombiesub17_ESO · October 2014

Don't open this door!
''Can I just pay cash for more inventory? Bank Space? Armor? Mounts? Pets? Weapons? Glyphs? Soul Gems? How about cash only items? Yeah, that's fun, how about that? Maybe skills? Yes, we need a skill tree with skills you can only attain by purchasing with real money. Great Idea!

Soloeus · October 2014

Yes, I have 1 max level, a v1, 2 level 20, and a level 30.

I just want to delete my level 20's and 30 and recreate them as V1, and I would happily pay 150 bucks to get all 3 characters to the fun part of the game.

Soloeus · October 2014

Inversus wrote: »

You didn't make it clear at start that you'd already got vet characters, an option to pay for alts to be leveled straight to vr1 I'd be less opposed to - although I still think that's a bad idea.

I amended my first post for clarity. Good point, I didn't realize I forgot to mention I already have a V14 and V1.

Soloeus · October 2014

eyeseezombiesub17_ESO wrote: »

Don't open this door!
''Can I just pay cash for more inventory? Bank Space? Armor? Mounts? Pets? Weapons? Glyphs? Soul Gems? How about cash only items? Yeah, that's fun, how about that? Maybe skills? Yes, we need a skill tree with skills you can only attain by purchasing with real money. Great Idea!

Is this a slippery slope? Is a slippery slope a fallacy?

MornaBaine · October 2014

Thing is ,everyone wants something different out of the game and MOST players want either PvE OR PvP. I like both but tend to prefer PvE. So I want LOTS of quests and I want them to be well written and engaging. Most of all, I want there to be SO MANY QUESTS that one character simply can't do them all. Which would encourage me to make more characters and keep playing just to get to experience all that content. And I want quest lines to have different trajectories. I want EVIL quests! AND GOOD quests! I want to be able to play a Lion Guard goody-two shoes who goes about righting wrongs. I want to secretly be in the employ of Mannimarco on another character and be just as bad as I can be. And I realllllly wanna be Han Solo on another character, you know, the one who shot first during the Greedo confrontation. Yeah I want to play a badass anti-hero. In short, I want to do it ALL. But NO MMO so far will let me. Instead, with EVERY character I'm stuck in the same by now painfully boring questline with no way to experience anything new or REALLY make any life changing choices. I'm forced down the SAME PATH every time. THIS is why people end up saying quests are boring. EVERYTHING is boring the 2nd and 3rd time around.

But besides that, the problem with this game (and every other MMO) is that you are forced to do all that PvE questing BEFORE you can really be viable in PvP. For those whose main goal IS PvP I can clearly see why this is so frustrating. It makes me understand why League of Legends is so popular. Now I know you CAN go fight in Cyrodil at level 10...but since you'll promptly be completely destroyed by Vets WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO? Cyrodil should not even have mobs and PvE objectives. What it SHOULD have are areas for PvP that are controlled by level so you're facing opponents of within a level or two of your own. You should be able to level in PvP completely independently of PvE levels. This way those who want to do both CAN and those who are really just here for the PvP can focus on it exclusively without being "bogged down" by questing that feels more like a job rather than entertainment to them.

Mercutio · October 2014

As with all QoL Ideas:

1) Would it hurt other players?
2) Would it give an unfair advantage to those paying?
3) Would it harm the community in some way?
4) Would it be profitable for the game company?

I do not see how this would hurt other players.

I suppose that in certain PvP situations it might give an unfair advantage, especially if one could buy a VR14 character.

Besides a few bad PUGs, I don't see lasting community impact.

Would it be profitable? On one hand, yeah - instant dough. On the other hand - less time spent going through content. On yet another hand - would/do people quit rather than grinding the content again?

Overall I am in favor of it as long as it went no further than VR1 and the character had only basic equipment. Nothing more than greens in any case.

Allow people to play how they wish as long as the four rules above are not broken.

OrangeTheCat · October 2014

Maybe the OP just wants to go straight into PvP with a max ranked character? That would make some sense then as it would remove barriers to creating said characters in non-AD factions thereby balancing PvP populations (although I think there are better ways of achieving that).

Soloeus · October 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Maybe the OP just wants to go straight into PvP with a max ranked character? That would make some sense then as it would remove barriers to creating said characters in non-AD factions thereby balancing PvP populations (although I think there are better ways of achieving that).

I just want to get characters into PVP. I am already a V14 on my main, and V1 Alt. I want to get my characters to the part of the game I enjoy without having to spend hours and hours going through boring content first.

So I am not asking for something I don't "have" if you will. I am only asking to create more potent and interesting characters. I am also EP on all my characters except a few hireling alts.

purple-magicb16_ESO · October 2014

Weberda wrote: »

I don't understand why one would pay a subscription to play a game and then want to pay more in order to not play the content. Somethin' wrong in the logic here.

True. The entire logic behind it is contradictory and ironic.

Nestor · October 2014

If you want a high level character from the get go, you can have one for free. Just sign on to the PTS server and you can load a VR14 Template. You also have your current characters copied to that server(about a week ago they did this) so you have have mules or crafters or whatever.

Rivan12 · October 2014

Drazhar14 wrote: »

What OP is saying is to offer the option to get an alt to max level. The option only given to you provided you have one maxed player already.

I am not sure about a pay to level deal at all. Afraid that would open up all kinds of other unneeded/unwanted things they would sell us. Slippery slope...

And as far as other options two words, Champion System...soon. Looks like that system will offer quite a few different paths of advancement after lvl 50.

Srugzal · October 2014

Weberda wrote: »

Since much of one's skill improvement occurs during the Vet levels I don't understand why a serious player would want to be a V14 that can be killed by a couple of V5 mudcrabs.

This.

The problem with this "buy me a vet toon" thing is that these aren't serious players at all. They're the new "casuals:" people who just want to pay to get to the "good" stuff, and when they get there, suck so horribly at it that they're a laughingstock.

It boils down to this: to get skills, you gotta pay your dues.

Soloeus · October 2014

Nestor wrote: »

If you want a high level character from the get go, you can have one for free. Just sign on to the PTS server and you can load a VR14 Template. You also have your current characters copied to that server(about a week ago they did this) so you have have mules or crafters or whatever.

Meaningless.

I am referring to the real game, not a test server.

Soloeus · October 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Since much of one's skill improvement occurs during the Vet levels I don't understand why a serious player would want to be a V14 that can be killed by a couple of V5 mudcrabs.

This.

The problem with this "buy me a vet toon" thing is that these aren't serious players at all. They're the new "casuals:" people who just want to pay to get to the "good" stuff, and when they get there, suck so horribly at it that they're a laughingstock.

It boils down to this: to get skills, you gotta pay your dues.

I am V14, I have the skills, I paid my dues.

Soloeus · October 2014

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I don't understand why one would pay a subscription to play a game and then want to pay more in order to not play the content. Somethin' wrong in the logic here.

True. The entire logic behind it is contradictory and ironic.

What is contradictory and ironic is having to re-play the whole game over and over, repeating content just to get to the point you are already at. What is contradictory and ironic is being forced to repeat content over and over that you don't like and already completed.

Soloeus · October 2014

Mercutio wrote: »

As with all QoL Ideas:

1) Would it hurt other players?
2) Would it give an unfair advantage to those paying?
3) Would it harm the community in some way?
4) Would it be profitable for the game company?

I do not see how this would hurt other players.

I suppose that in certain PvP situations it might give an unfair advantage, especially if one could buy a VR14 character.

Besides a few bad PUGs, I don't see lasting community impact.

Would it be profitable? On one hand, yeah - instant dough. On the other hand - less time spent going through content. On yet another hand - would/do people quit rather than grinding the content again?

Overall I am in favor of it as long as it went no further than VR1 and the character had only basic equipment. Nothing more than greens in any case.

Allow people to play how they wish as long as the four rules above are not broken.

1. No it doesn't.
2. No, because I already have a V14. Creating a V1 offers no advantage.
3. Nope.
4. Most likely, yes.

I am not proposing to buy a V14. I am proposing that, because I already have a V14 (or, V10+), that I should be able to create V1's. Now, if I hadn't completed Cadwell's Silver and Gold, finished the main story, etc. I could understand that it would be unfair.

No, I wouldn't propose letting "anybody" create Vet Characters. But if you have already completed Cadwell's Silver/Gold, done all the main story, etc. then there is no harm in creating a vet, and skipping over content you already experienced and jumping "straight into the fun."

Beesting · October 2014

Only if you have a tamriel hero and did the craglorn main quest.
Think of the people that made those quests.

All i see in craglorn are people on a rock grinding alts, i wonder if they could even survive the v1-5 vet dungeons, they must have lost all button mashing skills in the mindless grind.
I worry for these people, haha, grinding alts like the world is going to end soon.

Maulkin · October 2014

Beesting wrote: »

Only if you have a tamriel hero and did the craglorn main quest.
Think of the people that made those quests.

All i see in craglorn are people on a rock grinding alts, i wonder if they could even survive the v1-5 vet dungeons, they must have lost all button mashing skills in the mindless grind.
I worry for these people, haha, grinding alts like the world is going to end soon.

I think you got this in reverse. Wanting to skip the non-challenging content that you've already experienced is pretty normal.

I worry for the people that after having spent 2 months doing all the quests and dungeons with their main, they go to do the same with their alt. They must be far more brain dead than those grinders.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Soloeus wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Maybe the OP just wants to go straight into PvP with a max ranked character? That would make some sense then as it would remove barriers to creating said characters in non-AD factions thereby balancing PvP populations (although I think there are better ways of achieving that).

I just want to get characters into PVP. I am already a V14 on my main, and V1 Alt. I want to get my characters to the part of the game I enjoy without having to spend hours and hours going through boring content first.

So I am not asking for something I don't "have" if you will. I am only asking to create more potent and interesting characters. I am also EP on all my characters except a few hireling alts.

See? This. ^^ An awful lot of PvPers do not want to play the rest of the game. They view PvP as a completely separate game and in many ways it certainly is. I love PvP but I WANT RP PvP! And that, sadly, just doesn't exist. I'm still bitter about there not being an RP instance or server.

Beesting · October 2014

I am bitter about my 7/7 light armor resto destro vamp Dk being nerfed because of people complaining how OP they are in pvp

I dont like pvp and just want to feel godlike in pve, not die all the time because of unnecessary nerfs
Why oh why could they not just nerf the skills in pvp but leave them intact in pve?

#LTP while being nerfed all the time

Zorrashi · October 2014

Tsk tsk. People these days. Don't even want to bother leveling their own character....

Whatever the case, I just hope Zenni doesn't encourage the idea that people can pay money to instantly get a VR character. Then it will be XP boosters, race changers, extra skill point bags, ridiculous mounts.....I am going to be highly disappointed if the cash shop becomes anything like a pay to win model.

granty2008cyb16_ESO · October 2014

im against anything else that involves payment! i think we should be able to create a vr1 character if you have a vr14 character.