Wipe them out for the unbelieving scum they are, what are you waiting for? What's wrong with young people today? Hefty sarcasm on that, as I doubt it's going to get through. Ok as an ex corporal (for real) let me tell you. Know your real strength, protect the non-combatants. By your sacrifice you protect the rights of those who aren't you. Be grateful you ain't them. But die for their right to be wth they want to be. Cos I sure as hell don't want a bunch of homicidal men and women (I'm the latter) running this world. We lay down our lives so the sane can do stuff. Now go to it soldier. This is a world, not a combat zone. And go talk to NPCs once in a while. Hey even in the RW.

yiasemi wrote: »

Wipe them out for the unbelieving scum they are, what are you waiting for? What's wrong with young people today? Hefty sarcasm on that, as I doubt it's going to get through. Ok as an ex corporal (for real) let me tell you. Know your real strength, protect the non-combatants. By your sacrifice you protect the rights of those who aren't you. Be grateful you ain't them. But die for their right to be wth they want to be. Cos I sure as hell don't want a bunch of homicidal men and women (I'm the latter) running this world. We lay down our lives so the sane can do stuff. Now go to it soldier. This is a world, not a combat zone. And go talk to NPCs once in a while. Hey even in the RW.

I ignore most NPCs in meatspace too, though I found i get odd looks when I try to click through the various RL quest givers.

Really what i am getting to is that if an alliance takes the ring/imperial city then we will have a population problem in that they will fill slots that would be used by the PvPers. The PvEers who now complain about to being able to survive in Cyro as they only want PvE (see discussions on "secret handshake" for example) are almst certainly going to flock to Imperial city as it is to be a PVE (primarily) zone

Flash of insight here...I may be looking at it wrong if the PvEers take over the Imperial city. If there is tight enough hold on the map then we get one of the following:

• "Swords to ploughshares" scenario as PvPers are not able to get in and PvEers cannot fight
• PvEers are forced to fight
• PvEers leave Imperial en mass leaving a vacuum

*Edit - I just noticed that I am including PvEers and RPers, and i am actually thinking both now

david_baltezanub17_ESO wrote: »

Well this is a fictional war not a real one so there isnt any problem with people who want to hang around and chat, do pve or roleplay in Cyodiil, its not like if you loose a castle or outpost that you'll have to sacrifice many soldiers for real to get it back later, all are contributing to the war in their own ways, there is even some rp pvp guilds who form an army to govern and patrol Castles and roads in cyrodiil, anyway, just relax and enjoy the game this is the real purpose, one hour your alliance will be winning, another it will be losing, another it will be wining again and so on, i myself am a roleplayer, when in Cyrodiil sometimes i do rp, sometimes pvp or pve with a few friends or solo, the important is to have fun guys

You completely missed the point and while you do not seem care or have a competitive nature you should realize that some of us do. it is just a game, and games are meant to be played to win even when there is not a way to "win"

You also should actually read what the Imperial city entails. If one faction takes the map and the city it may take hours-days to get it back and access to Imperial city will be severely limited or cut off for the opposing factions (think OP Emp and AD hordes along with EP Alts, basically NA Haderus). To me it will get old very quickly if the yellow hordes with their red alts hold the maps and we have to constantly fight for access only to lose it due to those of us who would defended not having access. I am sure the non-alts EP would like to have access to Imperial city at some point, but i cannot see AD allowing them to as it would only require one keep to alter access, see "gated by controlling your 6 home keeps"

I guess we will have to wait and see, probably be next Feb before Imperial city is even released...

tamrielfoundry.com/2014/10/eso-guild-summit/

Imperial City
The city is basically just a PvE zone with PvP.
The sewers – super large public dungeon

• Districts – contain capture locations with PvE events
• Difficulty is tuned for 1-2 players at high level
• Each campaign has their own Imperial City
• All 3 sides will potentially have access at the same time.
• Access is gated by controlling your 6 home keeps – making defending and home security more important.
• The population cap is shared between Cyrodiil and the Imperial City, so as one side floods into the city, their power in Cyrodiil itself will wane allowing other alliances to retake less defended objectives.

What’s Inside the City?

• Districts: Temple, Elven Gardens, Market, Arena
• New armor sets + the new Xivkyn crafting style
• 6 new 8 hour Buffs from the Divines – these are similar to Mundus Stone buffs, but temporary. They are AoE beneficial, so if you have a buff it will affect all your nearby allies as well.
• Lots of enemies to kill, get money, exp, loot.
• White Gold Tower itself will not be initially accessible.

As an RPer who does mostly PvE but also likes PvP I find it a little hilarious when "hardcore" (ahem, you're sitting at a computer just like the rest of us "pansies" sport) PvPers get themselves all upset over the idea that they might have to sometimes share their corner of the sandbox with those of us who ALSO pay to play there. It's fairly obvious that a good deal of the nerfs and other unnecessary mucking about with classes, sets, builds, etc. that goes on is directly due to the howling of the PvP-only mob and when THAT gets pointed out we're told to shut up and sit down 'cause the big boys are talking.

So I gotta ask OP, are you REALLY starting a thread to complain about something that MIGHT happen? And is that something REALLY that people who play in a way you don't like/aren't interested in might "invade" a portion of the game they ALSO pay for right along with you? Really?

wow, i guess people do not read anymore. I do not care if you are RPers, i mean i really do not care, as in total apathy, that is to say I do not care in the slightest at all. I neither hate or like RPers, at most sometimes a group of you will irritate me, but then lots of groups irritate me. To recap, i absolutely and completely could care less if you are RPers, I do not care. (as a group RPers take offense WAY too easy)

What i am saying is that the pop-cap is shared, i chose RPers because they move as a group, sometime large group and most are PvEers. Let me just lump RPers in the PvEers (obviously take offense no matter how i say it, though PvE "groups" sounds odd and thought it would be insulting to RPers) as most are PvEers.

PvPers are gonna get bored, PvEers will get interested. The numbers swap out, over time there really are few alliance PvPers left to defend a serious invasion and they cannot get back in as pop-cap, which is almost guaranteed since everyone from lvl10 to v14 has access to Cyrodiil and lower levels are going to be more comfortable since they do not have to worry much about those v14 "winners" (seriously, those people...) camping the gates and killing lowbies.

So, here is what I suggest (hopefully illustrates the issue). PvEers can RP "going to war" leaving the server during an invasion to allow PvPers to join

I do like PvP, but i also have completed nearly every quest in the game (about 1100 now) and have majority of achievements. I am missing a few dungeons, upper crag, some campfires, and similar along with a lot of fishing and alliance war ranks. You wanna group me with hardcore PvPers, fine, but i am easily a hardcore PvEer too and am looking forward to more PvE content.

I am starting the discussion early because I foresee vast QQ threads from PvEers about how they just wanna play (there are already numerous examples) and PvPers will not quit attacking "their" server and equally vast QQ threads from PvPers about how the PvEers locked the server up and would not leave until it was too late, which will be followed by the PvEers QQ threads about how....

Just saying

jrgray93 wrote: »

It sometimes seems like 90% of Cyrodiil is equivalent to the CoD demographic.

I love the idea of PvP but honestly I'm kept away from it by the attitudes of some players for this reason.

UlanX wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

It sometimes seems like 90% of Cyrodiil is equivalent to the CoD demographic.

I love the idea of PvP but honestly I'm kept away from it by the attitudes of some players for this reason.

I do a lot of PVP. I just spend half my time calling out annoying people in zone chat xD

My only real concern is that large areas like Cyrodil and Craglorn are basically reserved for only one type of playstyle.

Samadhi wrote: »

If they do not help keep the city intact and under control, the enemy team will take over, flood in and wipe them on the spot.

Do not see any real long-term issues developing from your scenario.

^ This. Because I needed to agree with it AGAIN.

So you are saying that RP folks would rather queue up in the busiest campaign where a large group could spend a long time waiting to all be assembled in Cyrodiil rather than going to a low-pop campaign where they can get in right away?

AlnilamE wrote: »

So you are saying that RP folks would rather queue up in the busiest campaign where a large group could spend a long time waiting to all be assembled in Cyrodiil rather than going to a low-pop campaign where they can get in right away?

Unless the "low-pop" campaign just happens to be owned by their alliance and for some reason the other alliances have no desire to attack the undefended campaign, then sure. If you think they can simply go a low-pop camp that is completely owned by another alliance then you missed something.