I think you mean non-magic based Builds, not classes, all the classes use magic.

But interesting question, if you have a small magic pool then you might not get much out of spell crafting.

It all depends on how it works, if you craft new skills, then you might be able to craft lower level versions of other skills including skills from other classes. On the other hand some people are saying you craft scrolls, which are one shot spells, in which case your skill-line levels might be the determining factor, so you might be theoretically capable of matching the magicka builds.

Edit~ short answer, we don't know, and won't know until it is tested on PTS.

There is no such thing as a non magic class in eso. But for stamina builds, there will be a skill to convert magicka to stamina, similar to what spell symetry does for magicka now at least. Beyond that, nobody knows yet, there may be something else thrown in for stam builds, or maybe not.

Soulshine wrote: »

Well, unless idiocy in the dev department at ZoS has reached unprecedented propotions...... I would think that the tablets to be made and the "spells" to be learned will have to include things that benefit stamina builds and stamina based skills, otherwise the amount of total imbalance in the game would be so overwhelming that nothing a stamina built character would do could ever match let alone compete with a magicka based player... oh wait....

I agree and, as @guybrushtb16_ESO points out, one (likely) spell includes a conversion from magicka to stamina, similar to equilibrium (I think it's called that?) in the mages guild skill line and dark exchange in dark magic (sorcerer), but converting to stamina instead of magicka - this will help stamina builds with excess magicka.
Hopefully there will be more like this which will aid those who use bow/melee, since I assume (really hope...) ZOS is looking to quickly address the weakness in these areas.

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Well, unless idiocy in the dev department at ZoS has reached unprecedented proportions...... I would think that the tablets to be made and the "spells" to be learned will have to include things that benefit stamina builds and stamina based skills, otherwise the amount of total imbalance in the game would be so overwhelming that nothing a stamina built character would do could ever match let alone compete with a magicka based player... oh wait....

While I agree that there currently is an obvious imbalance between stamina and magicka builds, I'm always surprised people seem to just assume that spellcrafting will boost magicka builds through the roof in all areas. If anything, I'd expect spellcrafting skills to be lesser/more costly versions of the default ones, lest to not make those completely redundant. Surely there will be a dps boost to be had somewhere, but it doesn't neccessarily have to be that great.

On the other hand, more buffs to stamina skills are coming. The stamina conversion skill might fix some issues with sustain on it's own already, and they are considering to give us morphs for class skills that make them stam based.

Hehe. There is indeed a lot of assuming going on... some of it with good reason unfortunately. Some not. Either way, the good news is all assumptions can be washed away if this gets implemented right. Personally, I am very hopeful that the proposed changes to stamina skills and weapons actually make it into the game... and that in due course the spellcrafting mechanic will also benefit stamina builds.

There are buff spells like Muffle. I could easily see one that's just a basic stamina beefer-upper.

There probably won't be a lot, but there might be a stamina focused tablet (if you think of it in terms of being similar to enchanting) that could be used in different configurations.

Not sure poison making would be the stamina equivalent unless the variety of spells in spellcrafting is pretty limited. (In terms of summon a thing, shoot an elemental ball, buff, etc. not expecting very unique stuff like some class skills)

Unless they've stated it to be so, which I'd have missed.

KenjiJU wrote: »

Not sure poison making would be the stamina equivalent unless the variety of spells in spellcrafting is pretty limited. (In terms of summon a thing, shoot an elemental ball, buff, etc. not expecting very unique stuff like some class skills)

Unless they've stated it to be so, which I'd have missed.

Poison making could help clear the gap between spells and melee/bow - at least a lot of people hope so

I see no reason spell crafting shouldn't benefit magicka builds more than stamina builds if they wanted to play a pure spellcaster. I would think one would be able to create his/her own class if they were determined enough to put the time into it (I think they said these tablets would be hard to come by.)

I double DW and I'm certainly not going to use a stamina version of equilibrium as my health is valuable to me. I was planning on adding a ranged elemental spell (been wanting this as I don't use staves) to my opener bar, replacing dark shades so I have a ranged attack before ambush. If not that, then I'll be adding a self heal.

Though I'd be disappointed, I'm expecting spell crafting to be weaker than any class/staff skills. As long as it adds something for everyone, this is one thing that doesn't have to be perfectly balanced.

Ragefist wrote: »

In my opinion, most logical solution would be to implement some sort of "martial arts" which would allow a mirror system to spellcrafting. But thats just my wild theory

Sword-singing/sword-singers would be the equivalent. I think someone asked during some interview that's on youtube (can't remember the name at all), and they've acknowledge that it's an idea. (meaning might never happen or really far away)

For my Stamina build, personally looking forward to the Magicka-->Stamina conversion skill, the Muffle buff, and the toggleable summons (since I'm not a Sorcerer, but would like my hunter to have a familiar).