AD Thornbabies on Haderus

Qyrk · October 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

They refused to do trials till they got their buffs back then zerged and pvdoored while all of us were asleep to reclaim it.

Hey mate, while I don't support the QQ that many AD reacted the way they did after they lost the map, to say that we pvdoored is ignorant. There are various time zones outside of U.S. that is primetime on period "where you guys are asleep", if you would like to defend it, get more people in those timezones.

You do realize, without magically generating new players in Oceania, that for EP and DC it requires NA based players to miss one of the following things:

Sleep.
School.
Work.

Can you guess which of these are more important than a video game?

That is not the argument here. Different people have different priorities and at different stages in life. I am not here to tell people what they should or should not do in their life. Of course those are important, but that is not the point. The point is Blackthorn argue that AD "pvdoored" because they were asleep. That is fine, but he doesn't realise that many people are well up at this stage in other time zones after doing sleep/school/work and are in their prime time (and right to do so) to flip the map. Or do you not agree.

EDIT: And can I just add, that people who were involve in flipping the map overnight may also be from the U.S. They choose to be awake, therefore missing one of the following things you mentioned above. That is their choice, but look at the bigger picture here, population from EP and DC have this same opportunity.

DOUBLE EDIT: Choices have consequences. If EP (on PST for example) decided to sleep, they may lose out what they just gained in overturning the map. If AD (on PST for example) decided to stay awake and reclaim the map, they may lose out on their sleep.

Gaettusk · October 2014

Qyrk wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

They refused to do trials till they got their buffs back then zerged and pvdoored while all of us were asleep to reclaim it.

Hey mate, while I don't support the QQ that many AD reacted the way they did after they lost the map, to say that we pvdoored is ignorant. There are various time zones outside of U.S. that is primetime on period "where you guys are asleep", if you would like to defend it, get more people in those timezones.

You do realize, without magically generating new players in Oceania, that for EP and DC it requires NA based players to miss one of the following things:

Sleep.
School.
Work.

Can you guess which of these are more important than a video game?

That is not the argument here. Different people have different priorities and at different stages in life. I am not here to tell people what they should or should not do in their life. Of course those are important, but that is not the point. The point is Blackthorn argue that AD "pvdoored" because they were asleep. That is fine, but he doesn't realise that many people are well up at this stage in other time zones after doing sleep/school/work and are in their prime time (and right to do so) to flip the map. Or do you not agree.

EDIT: And can I just add, that people who were involve in flipping the map overnight may also be from the U.S. They choose to be awake, therefore missing one of the following things you mentioned above. That is their choice, but look at the bigger picture here, population from EP and DC have this same opportunity.

DOUBLE EDIT: Choices have consequences. If EP (on PST for example) decided to sleep, they may lose out what they just gained in overturning the map. If AD (on PST for example) decided to stay awake and reclaim the map, they may lose out on their sleep.

A North American server expecting North Americans to log on odd hours to compete with Oceanics? That's a solid business model,ZoS lol

Qyrk · October 2014

I give up, you missed the point ^^. I mentioned outside of U.S., didn't particularly mention specific locations, Agrippa highlighted that.

Ezareth · October 2014

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Congrats Ezareth!

@OP chill out man. It's their buff server so why the hell are you surprised that they defended it with huge numbers.

If you want to take it from them then body up buddy.

We did take it from them. We finally crowned a deserving emp who dedicated 8+ hours a day toward it and AD through a hysterical crying fit. They refused to do trials till they got their buffs back then zerged and pvdoored while all of us were asleep to reclaim it.

News flash. If you AD cant do trials without buffs, please uninstall your game because you clearly don't know how to play.

What is AD going to do when buff servers go away? You guys lose every encounter where you don't outnumber us 10 to 1.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

"Hysterical crying fit"...the only crying I see is you on these forums.

*You* didn't take anything from anyone. The EP guilds who came in and actually know how to PvP did that for you. Does it surprise you that when they leave the campaign reverted back to what it was before?

Blackthorn51 · October 2014

Its called numbers. And yes we very much did. I guess its hard for you to notice though when even as the emperor you spend 90% of a fight bolt streaking the opposite direction. For a brief time we had numbers. AD ran and logged out when they were faced with erhmergerhd an even match. They only logged back in when the EP force disbanded and only a handful of us were left online.. Says a lot about 'em doesn't it? Are you so deluded that you forget that the few of us Haderus Natives spend 8+ hours a day murdering the lot of you even when you outnumber us 10 to 1 and have an Emperor on the field with you?

No your right you guys have the skill. Oh wait sorry, I mistook skill for having 100% alliance war buffs. Even with all those buffs AD still gets the beat down.

"No we dont, we farm lots of AP off of you" Oh really? If by farm you mean you get 1/3rd of the enemy kills we do but you get 100% AP increase due to PVP buffs? You AD cant even stay on the top 10 (Bar 1 or 2 of you) in your own bloody buff server!

Our entire party logs out at the end of the day with 200+ kills and less than 50 deaths (Some with far fewer deaths). We earn far less AP per kill or per D-Tick than any AD player and yet we each have 2 or 3 times more AP on the leaderboards than 99.9% of the AD natives to Haderus. Yeah you guys are real skilled. Oh wait I mistook that again for sending 30 people to fight against 6 (and still takes you 3+ hours to wipe us out of a single resource because you twits keep running single file up the stairs and it usually takes you over an hour to realize there is a thing called flanking.)

I lol at you. I lol long and I lol hard. Every time you try to defend your skill, I need only watch your you-tube video to see where your 'skill' is.

Shield Stack, Bolt Streak in, get smacked in the mouth, bolt streak out. Rinse and repeat. Too damn funny to watch. Keep it up because an Emp who spends 90% of combat running away is nothing short of a joke. Thank you.

Rylana · October 2014

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Congrats Ezareth!

@OP chill out man. It's their buff server so why the hell are you surprised that they defended it with huge numbers.

If you want to take it from them then body up buddy.

We did take it from them. We finally crowned a deserving emp who dedicated 8+ hours a day toward it and AD through a hysterical crying fit. They refused to do trials till they got their buffs back then zerged and pvdoored while all of us were asleep to reclaim it.

News flash. If you AD cant do trials without buffs, please uninstall your game because you clearly don't know how to play.

What is AD going to do when buff servers go away? You guys lose every encounter where you don't outnumber us 10 to 1.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

I am just going to point out to you (not even sure who you are in game, please enlighten me actually) that I play both sides and I know who is who and who is decent/good.

There are VERY FEW good EP players natively on this campaign. I took my VR1 Sorc out for a spin EP side and was destroying Yellows much more efficiently than any of the other reds there, and whenever I get on my yellow DK, you guys get roflstomped into oblivion until you mass horde me 10-1 or so.

So all I am saying is, dont be bagging all the natives mate, I am probably a better player than nearly your entire native populace, and I only say that because of what I have seen, not because I have some sort of overblown ego.

Most of EP and AD on Haderus are subpar, but there are a few diamonds in the rough that actually know this game, just saying.

Some really good players/guilds showed up and ran the map, congrats, they are among the best EP players in the game, whole guilds of them, many I have known since Bloodthorn/Dawnbreaker days.

So dont be getting all in a huff because you got rolled back after being carried. I understand being outnumbered and so on, but to call us all bad is completely out of line.

Blackthorn51 · October 2014

I'm happy to tell you who I play. Am I the best PVPer? Absolutely not, but I do what I can. I play Viz'aun D'Vandree. Night Blade Archer / Claymore User. Glass Cannon. I take my deaths but I always end each day with very healthy kill to death ratio. Until last night and today when I decided to take a break to frustration I was maintaining a healthy 2nd Place for EP on Haderus. I imagine after taking a break I got bumped down to 3 or 4 but I figure I'll remedy that tomorrow when I log in to kill another 200 AD.

Also I would point out. You are not supposed to be able to play the same character on a campaign from different alliances. Yet that does not stop you or Sura and likely others from doing exactly that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just openly admit to exploiting by playing 2 factions on the same server?

krim · October 2014

this whole killing blow thing gets brought up a lot like its a measurement of skill or something.

Rylana · October 2014

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

I'm happy to tell you who I play. Am I the best PVPer? Absolutely not, but I do what I can. I play Viz'aun D'Vandree. Night Blade Archer / Claymore User. Glass Cannon. I take my deaths but I always end each day with very healthy kill to death ratio. Until last night and today when I decided to take a break to frustration I was maintaining a healthy 2nd Place for EP on Haderus. I imagine after taking a break I got bumped down to 3 or 4 but I figure I'll remedy that tomorrow when I log in to kill another 200 AD.

Ive seen you, youre not bad. One of the few decent players, but that really doesnt seem to hold enough oomph to say all of AD is terribad. Yeah AD is full of crappy players on all servers. Tons of roleplayers, PvE carebears, noobs that think they know things while shooting doors with fire ballistas, the usual.

I called a spade a spade earlier in the thread, we got decimated yesterday when Hijinx and Co. showed up (the same thing happened on Azuras Star an hour before actually, I was there with them on my EP toon though I wasnt running "with" them)

It was mostly likely a planned in advance event to make a point, try to stir up the campaigns, and what it really did was halve the red pop of thornblade for one day.

EP had over twice as many people on Haderus yesterday than AD did, and those guesters are some of the highest ranked of all vet players etc etc. Thorn was pinned down by blue, we had what we had (and i blame myself somewhat for staying on Azuras and not realizing what was going on on Haderus until it was too late)

I might get a bit... coarse and direct at times, but only when I am calling out BS, there are a lot of good AD players that PvP, they were just busy on other campaigns, and we didnt have the ability to field enough to fend off that massive guild co-op group.

We did a lot better today vs Hijinx, all things being equal. I even killed me some Agrippa for my trouble, bwa haha.

Gaettusk · October 2014

Oh christ, WCFC is giving people crap? I saw them getting wiped by Ezareth left and right before I came along to hinder his wholesale slaughter of them

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2014

This has nothing to do with EP losing. We could take losing if it was our native pop verses their native pop but being able to guest and travel ruins the experience overall. You can argue all you want that "oh well you have Hijinx helping you". Well how many top end guilds do you have rushing over if we take Farragut or KC? I'm glad to see the definition of a 'good pvper" involves faceroll instead of true skill. At least the sorcs on EP can take their deaths with a grain of salt. Heck even other AD sorcs I seen aren't nearly as paranoid about dying.

Blackthorn51 · October 2014

No your right, I would be stupid to honestly assume that -all- AD are bad players there. I get carried away because im just so fed up with all the bull *** from the general AD populace that I just want to rage-bomb all over them. Also I'd like to mention that I myself am a RPer first and foremost. PVP is only secondary.

Minnesinger · October 2014

[/quote] A North American server expecting North Americans to log on odd hours to compete with Oceanics? That's a solid business model,ZoS lol[/quote]

Anyone can choose to play NA Server no matter what their physical location. Zero logic to assume the server would be dead half of the day. The World doesn´t spin around you.

They did wanna create a mega server. "Everyone plays on one server, and one network, everywhere. So your friends are always available to you […] No shards, just create a character, click play, and get in the game, the game will figure out where to put you. No more ‘server full’ and no more ‘ghosttowns’. We’ll never have to close shards because they are empty, and there will never be server queues."

What business model you like?

Gaettusk · October 2014

Minnesinger wrote: »

Anyone can choose to play NA Server no matter what their physical location. Zero logic to assume the server would be dead half of the day. The World doesn´t spin around you.

They did wanna create a mega server. "Everyone plays on one server, and one network, everywhere. So your friends are always available to you […] No shards, just create a character, click play, and get in the game, the game will figure out where to put you. No more ‘server full’ and no more ‘ghosttowns’. We’ll never have to close shards because they are empty, and there will never be server queues."

What business model you like?

Yet they chose to split EU and NA into separate servers. Self-defeating argument you have there

Minnesinger · October 2014

[/quote] Yet they chose to split EU and NA into separate servers. Self-defeating argument you have there[/quote]

EU server but anyone can play there. For example, I am from EU area but did wanna try NA based on some experience gathered in BETA. Are you assuming NA means all players play North American hours? Some of my playing time is during your morning, day and early evening.

If you reapeat something enough you become to think it is the truth.

Gaettusk · October 2014

Minnesinger wrote: »

Yet they chose to split EU and NA into separate servers. Self-defeating argument you have there

EU server but anyone can play there. For example, I am from EU area but did wanna try NA based on some experience gathered in BETA. Are you assuming NA means all players play North American hours? Some of my playing time is during your morning, day and early evening.

If you reapeat something enough you become to think it is the truth.

"Everyone plays on one server"
Two different servers- EU and NA
Marketing =/= reality

I bet you're the type of guy who pays for a tightening of your 'muffler belt' LOL

Edit: btw, learn how to quote /quote (don't forget the brackets) o.O Thanks

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2014

I am thoroughly convinced most AD either have no life as in school/work/family or are indeed actual vampires, deathless and immortal.

Crying out loud I gotta eat dammit. Stop siegeing Alessia so I can cook.

Rylana · October 2014

I ended up going to rayles and solo fighting five blues (levels 32 - vr14) because I was tired of alessia myself.

Gotta give the few blues we have some credit, they have heart, even when I got like 25 kills off of them to my seven or eight deaths. (mostly fought open field, they were 2 dks, 2 templars, and a nb). Just beat the crap out of me, but eh, was worth it, now I know how strong my build actually is vs players that arent in the top guilds.

And they have a whole 22 points i think.

Minnesinger · October 2014

[/quote]

"Everyone plays on one server"
Two different servers- EU and NA
Marketing =/= reality

I bet you're the type of guy who pays for a tightening of your 'muffler belt' LOL

Edit: btw, learn how to quote /quote (don't forget the brackets) o.O Thanks[/quote]

Didn´t answer my question what you expected NA server means. There are reasons why it called EU/ NA servers but that has nothing to do with who plays there. I can´t see how that isn´t clear. So keep on hoping you get to on THE NA server only for North American players. Personally, I don´t have anything against where you come from but I don´t think you are the best PR for this game.

I bet you are the guy who heard about EU/ NA servers and thought all are your buddies from college (if you did that of course) and expected EU covers the rest of the world.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2014

DC really need more people...we EP been singlehandedly giving AD hell. But that's the taking nuke in foot comes into play the more AD goes 'NURRR THEY TAKINZ OUR SCROLLZ WE GOTTZA STOP DEM" and swarms on with 50 people verss like 12, the less those 12 wanna keep playing. And so forth and so forth.

Gaettusk · October 2014

Minnesinger wrote: »

Didn´t answer my question what you expected NA server means. There are reasons why it called EU/ NA servers but that has nothing to do with who plays there. I can´t see how that isn´t clear. So keep on hoping you get to on THE NA server only for North American players. Personally, I don´t have anything against where you come from but I don´t think you are the best PR for this game.

I bet you are the guy who heard about EU/ NA servers and thought all are your buddies from college (if you did that of course) and expected EU covers the rest of the world.

No, I assume people would be smart enough to play on servers that are close to their location,so they don't screw their own gameplay over with horrible ping. It's also why ZoS finally relocated the EU megaserver to Europe, instead of leaving it in the U.S. One should expect people to want to compete against other players and not PvDoor. PvPing on a server with a vastly different timezone than yours only means you log onto sparsely populated servers when it's your primetime. Empty servers are so fun!

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Didn´t answer my question what you expected NA server means. There are reasons why it called EU/ NA servers but that has nothing to do with who plays there. I can´t see how that isn´t clear. So keep on hoping you get to on THE NA server only for North American players. Personally, I don´t have anything against where you come from but I don´t think you are the best PR for this game.

I bet you are the guy who heard about EU/ NA servers and thought all are your buddies from college (if you did that of course) and expected EU covers the rest of the world.

No, I assume people would be smart enough to play on servers that are close to their location,so they don't screw their own gameplay over with horrible ping. It's also why ZoS finally relocated the EU megaserver to Europe, instead of leaving it in the U.S. One should expect people to want to compete against other players and not PvDoor. PvPing on a server with a vastly different timezone than yours only means you log onto sparsely populated servers when it's your primetime. Empty servers are so fun!

He's right on that end but I think someone said not enough ppl in AU play ESO to justify a oceanic megaserver....and there's not likely to be unless we get a bumper crop of ppl withint he next few montsh...and THAT isn't going to happen until some of these rampant exploits, imbalances, and instabilities are corrected. Please Zeni get this fixed. I'm that one customer who comes and eats your special chocolate sundae swirl despite it being the least selling item on your menu.

Minnesinger · October 2014

Hmm so instead of populating server it is best the players choose EU because on NA server they have sparsely populated campaigns (not servers, NA server is very active). And because EU must be better choice for the Oceanic guilds? I mean why not drop this off. You clearly speak for yourself. The game never intended to have EU solely for EU, Asia, Australia (non NA players). I have hopes they will resolve the problems causing lag. And you say it is the players outside of North America causing it. I thought it is impulse zergs. Guess the lag is caused whoever is against your very throughfully studied analysis of the game.

You clearly come out as a person why EP must be the 1st choice for Non NA based players. Just kidding.

P.S don´t quote you because everyone clearly sees what you wrote above (gaettusk). Repeating your ideas seems bit silly.

Gaettusk · October 2014

Minnesinger wrote: »

Hmm so instead of populating server it is best the players choose EU because on NA server they have sparsely populated campaigns (not servers, NA server is very active). And because EU must be better choice for the Oceanic guilds? I mean why not drop this off. You clearly speak for yourself. The game never intended to have EU solely for EU, Asia, Australia (non NA players). I have hopes they will resolve the problems causing lag. And you say it is the players outside of North America causing it. I thought it is impulse zergs. Guess the lag is caused whoever is against your very throughfully studied analysis of the game.

You clearly come out as a person why EP must be the 1st choice for Non NA based players. Just kidding.

P.S don´t quote you because everyone clearly sees what you wrote above (gaettusk). Repeating your ideas seems bit silly.

I think English isn't your second language because you seem to have utterly misread what I wrote, and you have a hard time making any sense whatsoever.

I never claimed non-NA players were causing the lag, but you are proving yourself to be the poster child for why NA servers in all MMOs should be NA players only-- dat language barrier be op

Qyrk · October 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

No, I assume people would be smart enough to play on servers that are close to their location,so they don't screw their own gameplay over with horrible ping.

You mentioned Oceanics on your previous replies. I'm just following your logic from this quote......then Oceanics SHOULD be able play in NA or EU server. Basing this off as Australian/New Zealand to and from both America and Europe and they are roughly the same (although you can nitpick distance differences from specific countries, and may see some differences)...so I don't think your argument that NA should be for NA population only have any leverage. But really this is not a thread topic on whether or not NA server should be NA population only - make that your own separate topic

The reason why this is brought up in the first place is because people from EP ASSUME AD only have the oceanic (and other time zones) on their side during NA sleep time. What we're trying to tell them is that every single alliance have people from different time zones (especially Oceanics); why point fingers when it's equal opportunity for all.

Minnesinger · October 2014

Yeah Gaettusk. You make as much logic as my cat making a name as an art collector. I can hope my cat will make me a fortune but don´t count on it.

Qyrk · October 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

but you are proving yourself to be the poster child for why NA servers in all MMOs should be NA players only-- dat language barrier be op

very distasteful comment, I must say.

Gaettusk · October 2014

Qyrk wrote: »

The reason why this is brought up in the first place is because people from EP ASSUME AD only have the oceanic (and other time zones) on their side during NA sleep time. What we're trying to tell them is that every single alliance have people from different time zones (especially Oceanics); why point fingers when it's equal opportunity for all.

Assume? I've been online and talked with Oceanic AD guilds and their members since Wabba 1.0. The population is not "assumed", and you only seem ignorant for claiming it to be an assumption.

One of many SSs showing population differences during Oceanic primetime

Furthermore, having one side so stacked, during the dead of NA night,only disrupts the balance of an already ailing PvP system. It's so broken that people are outright quitting the game over it--usually, I'd make fun of them for being so thin-skinned, but we're seeing fewer and fewer PvPers patch after patch. That affects the enjoyment of everyone. Less AP,less action, less fun, and the AD oceanic zerg(locked pop versus two 2 bar pops at 4 am EDT= zerging) is one of the contributing factors--in addition to the lag,aoe caps,etc.

Just in case you have the audacity to claim that EP assumes only AD has Oceanics:

Minnesinger wrote: »

Yeah Gaettusk. You make as much logic as my cat making a name as an art collector. I can hope my cat will make me a fortune but don´t count on it.

I bet that your cat could communicate better than you, so I wouldn't doubt that the cat would be successful.

Qyrk · October 2014

@Gaettusk,

What are you trying to prove here. First of all, you're basing your arguments on Thornblade (screenshots). What we are talking about is the flip that happen with Haderus (not last night, but the night before), who an EP claim it is Oceanics who did it. I was with the group that turned the map and this group was definitely not a zerg (a few groups who coordinated to slowly take back the keeps). I may be from an oceanic timezone, but I sure as hell grouped with people from the east coast/texans and washingtonians to name quite several people. This is personal experience, but it doesn't mean your argument is not valid. It is just not a GENERAL representation of what you are trying to paint here.

Qyrk · October 2014

And can I just add @Gaettusk‌

Furthermore, having one side so stacked, during the dead of NA night,only disrupts the balance of an already ailing PvP system.

And this is AD's fault, how? I get the impression that you (and others) think that we have some undermined plan from the beginning of the game to stack oceanic population in AD for the sole purpose of gaining leverage while NA is during a lull period. Wouldn't it also be the case that it so happens that maybe, just maybe oceanic population were spread out over the alliances in the very beginning. But up until recently oceanics from DC and EP dropped, and AD ones stayed. How is this our fault? If there happens to be more Oceanics in AD than EP or DC, does it mean we shouldn't pvp because "it's not fair". Far out, if you care too much about levelling the population at all times, why don't you guys recruit more people from other time zones to defend or attack while you guys enjoy your sleep. Not our fault, there's people willing to pvp at their own time.

Besides, some people from NA also never sleep when you sleep, and sometimes stay up really late. You can't deny them the ability to pvp in off-peak hours just because it's not levelled population.