sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor. Turns out what I was 'supposed to do' was a majika build as most things I used wanted majika, not stam. Then I found out that bows suck badly. Medium armor is like wearing toilet paper, and nothing I did worked.

I chose to become a werewolf. That turned out to be a complete waste of skill points on something that was a horribly thought out concept that after several months ZOS is completely ignoring. Another wrong choice I made.

At 48 I attempted to do those annoying solo quests again, all of which are grey to me. Tried the sancre tor quest, I died 5x trying that. I tried the fighters guild quest, died 4x, and some arena tournament quest, where I died 6x.

I tried playing other ways, and yes, when I turned to a popular build that everyone uses for my NB, I rocked, I was able to kill things, I could survive. But that's NOT MY STYLE OF PLAY. I hated it and the abilities.

So as a result of wanting to play MY way, I can't complete the game or advance beyond 48. I am not happy. Just insert here a TON of really bad language directed toward ZOS. I mean just think of the absolute WORST you can dream up and that's what im saying right now to ZOS and their design staff.

Is there a way to mark a post for Insightful and LOL? Never mind, I'll stick one down the Insightful chimney.

This one cannot even comprehend how Cyrodiil structure works. After the lagtastic fiasco, I went back to play as an Aldmeri Dominion character. Well, I ended up joining the Aldmeri Dominion security detail, the Nightingales...which not only was a total pain in the neck (I had to devote most of my time to recruit training on the weekends, which is like the only time I'm on due to real life work, that security detail was subsequently shut down with the closure of the old 90-day campaigns. I decided I was going to go play my way and join the Covenant and play as a scout who is the Lost Child...and again, they required me to join another club, which in this case is the "Lion's Watch" program which is similar to the Nightingales...and meaning I have to devote most of my time to training.

I don't mean to be a troll, but come on. Can I at least communicate with people and do scouting quests to develop my Tactica Khajiiti (which I also post here on the forums in the Alliance War category) without needing to join this "security detail" in order to at least get people to stop ignoring me?

arena25 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor. Turns out what I was 'supposed to do' was a majika build as most things I used wanted majika, not stam. Then I found out that bows suck badly. Medium armor is like wearing toilet paper, and nothing I did worked.

I chose to become a werewolf. That turned out to be a complete waste of skill points on something that was a horribly thought out concept that after several months ZOS is completely ignoring. Another wrong choice I made.

At 48 I attempted to do those annoying solo quests again, all of which are grey to me. Tried the sancre tor quest, I died 5x trying that. I tried the fighters guild quest, died 4x, and some arena tournament quest, where I died 6x.

I tried playing other ways, and yes, when I turned to a popular build that everyone uses for my NB, I rocked, I was able to kill things, I could survive. But that's NOT MY STYLE OF PLAY. I hated it and the abilities.

So as a result of wanting to play MY way, I can't complete the game or advance beyond 48. I am not happy. Just insert here a TON of really bad language directed toward ZOS. I mean just think of the absolute WORST you can dream up and that's what im saying right now to ZOS and their design staff.

Is there a way to mark a post for Insightful and LOL? Never mind, I'll stick one down the Insightful chimney.

This one cannot even comprehend how Cyrodiil structure works. After the lagtastic fiasco, I went back to play as an Aldmeri Dominion character. Well, I ended up joining the Aldmeri Dominion security detail, the Nightingales...which not only was a total pain in the neck (I had to devote most of my time to recruit training on the weekends, which is like the only time I'm on due to real life work, that security detail was subsequently shut down with the closure of the old 90-day campaigns. I decided I was going to go play my way and join the Covenant and play as a scout who is the Lost Child...and again, they required me to join another club, which in this case is the "Lion's Watch" program which is similar to the Nightingales...and meaning I have to devote most of my time to training.

I don't mean to be a troll, but come on. Can I at least communicate with people and do scouting quests to develop my Tactica Khajiiti (which I also post here on the forums in the Alliance War category) without needing to join this "security detail" in order to at least get people to stop ignoring me?

What?

How is this related to the OP or to ZO's game design?

I dont want to sound like the troll of this Post....but I've found your lack of skills...quite disturbing, I wonder what the hell are you gonna do when u reach VR dungeons or Trials...I have used all but Sorc classes and I can tell you, M.Amor/Bow NB is quite OP at the moment,it was even more OP back then when Snipe wasn't nerfed (YEAH,NERFED!!)...so, I think your problem is a huge lack of skills, also, you dont need to go full magicka for a Bow NB,their Bow skills need stamina,their damage depends on it, and if you want stealth all you need is a bit of Magicka,however I wouldnt like to go full stamina...
This being said,I agree with what happened when u choose to become WW,they really need to buff them or give them more human-form reliability, because my WW character never uses WW form, in fact, all I use it for is to bite friends when they want to become one,WW form is a real waste of Ultimate Skill slot and you dont need it when you are a "Stealthy Bow-Sniper"...

Dovhakiin wrote: »

I dont want to sound like the troll of this Post....but I've found your lack of skills...quite disturbing, I wonder what the hell are you gonna do when u reach VR dungeons or Trials...I have used all but Sorc classes and I can tell you, M.Amor/Bow NB is quite OP at the moment,it was even more OP back then when Snipe wasn't nerfed (YEAH,NERFED!!)...so, I think your problem is a huge lack of skills, also, you dont need to go full magicka for a Bow NB,their Bow skills need stamina,their damage depends on it, and if you want stealth all you need is a bit of Magicka,however I wouldnt like to go full stamina...
This being said,I agree with what happened when u choose to become WW,they really need to buff them or give them more human-form reliability, because my WW character never uses WW form, in fact, all I use it for is to bite friends when they want to become one,WW form is a real waste of Ultimate Skill slot and you dont need it when you are a "Stealthy Bow-Sniper"...

Ok I will say it l2p and nobody cares if you delete your character. Have fun with your next.

blueline wrote: »

I think ZOS is more interested in the fact that the OP's post sparked 5 pages of response, the majority of which are from people who successfully play non-skirt/stick Nightblades in a wide variety of content and seem to enjoy the class and play style.

After taking the time to read all the great NB player responses here, I've been convinced that I need to go spend some time learning and playing my level 3 placeholder/banker Nightblade!!

Thanks OP, the thread you opened here did more to consolidate the validity of a sneaky bow wielding assassin than many other threads I've read - I'm excited to go experience more about this class that I've been overlooking until now!

Seriously you won't regret it, a NB (first toon I had from early access) dual wield/bow can do some out of control dps with the right (optomised) gear and skills, definitely the most fun character to play I have.

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor. Turns out what I was 'supposed to do' was a majika build as most things I used wanted majika, not stam. Then I found out that bows suck badly. Medium armor is like wearing toilet paper, and nothing I did worked.

I chose to become a werewolf. That turned out to be a complete waste of skill points on something that was a horribly thought out concept that after several months ZOS is completely ignoring. Another wrong choice I made.

At 48 I attempted to do those annoying solo quests again, all of which are grey to me. Tried the sancre tor quest, I died 5x trying that. I tried the fighters guild quest, died 4x, and some arena tournament quest, where I died 6x.

I tried playing other ways, and yes, when I turned to a popular build that everyone uses for my NB, I rocked, I was able to kill things, I could survive. But that's NOT MY STYLE OF PLAY. I hated it and the abilities.

So as a result of wanting to play MY way, I can't complete the game or advance beyond 48. I am not happy. Just insert here a TON of really bad language directed toward ZOS. I mean just think of the absolute WORST you can dream up and that's what im saying right now to ZOS and their design staff.

@sfradenb14_ESO
I just wanted to say one thing. You as well as a lot of other people need to understand what "Play your way" means. It means you can use anything you want weapons, abilities whatever else, just because you can play your way doesn't mean that those skills will always be useful. You can honestly play your way, but don't expect your skills to be amazing all the time. Deleting your toon was a dumb move, but do what you want.

Dying 4 or 5 times in pursuit of some of those quests is not much persistence. I have 3 alts that are veteran level, and each of them faced some challenge that killed me - well, lots more times than that. In all those cases I was able to figure out some choice or some strategy that enabled me to beat the quests in question. I've only had to respec one character to progress once, and that was a sorcerer. For the others it was a matter of coming to the forums and studying what other players posted about how they beat the game. I have four other alts that are not yet veteran and am having a similar experience with them. I have played all the classes. I have bow builds, stick builds, and melee builds.

I am not that good a player. I am far from elite. I'm almost 60 and my reaction time is slow. In PvP I am sure I would suck, at least at first. If I can beat this game with all these different builds then I think anybody can.

Talrenos wrote: »

I set up my character to do DPS in groups, I like what I do and the people I play with always liked having me around. None of that is the issue.
Where I start to fail so badly is on those da** quests that force you to do them solo against tougher than normal mobs & bosses. My personal setup simply wont work there.

It seems to me that this shifts the whole discussion. We thought from the opening remarks that we were dealing with a player who can't deal with the more challenging PvE mobs as a nightblade with his chosen build, whereas it now appears that we are dealing with a player who can't deal with the more challenging PvE mobs as a solo player with his chosen build.

That's a big difference, and it explains things rather more clearly. Most solo players should be able to handle the nightblade class, but not all group players (in any MMO) can handle the more challenging solo encounters. Just as groups are often critical of solo players who join their groups at endgame "without having learnt to play their class", so solo players can be critical of groupers whose approach to their role is so narrow that they can't handle a solo encounter without their mates around them. The only players who truly master their class are the ones who are equally at home in a group or on their own and who adapt their playstyle accordingly.

You may need to have an alternative build for solo play and not rely on using your standard group build for the more difficult solo encounters. Alternatively, you may need to research solo tactics if your experience in the game is 99% group-based. You may need to adopt a more varied tactical approach rather than the single role approach that a lot of groupers adopt. I'm sure all those things could be done without sacrificing the style of character you want the nightblade to be, but I'm not convinced you would be any better off with a different class - you'd still end up trying to impose a narrow group role build on challenging solo encounters requiring a varied approach according to the situation.

OP has mistaken what ZOS said about play your way and what the community determines to be a bad way.

They held their part of the bargain up you can make any toon and build you want.

The assumption here is that all builds will be good , viable or kick butt. This is the mistake in the OP logic

Play anyway you like but when you go and experiment you may get it very wrong .

I have a bow friend who PvP s with it and bursts 2k .

The OP is crying because he didn't set his build up well enough. Don't blame ZOS for giving you the rope you need ... If you get me

IKilled007 wrote: »

I wish you had asked me about the night blade bow build before deleting. I could have hooked you up big time. I would have helped you acquire the proper armors, too.

The OP already was provided with 3 pages of advice about his build in a prior thread. He ignored it all and demanded that the game be "re-balanced" to work with a build that used no class skills and no elements of fight strategy.

zhevon wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

@Jennifur_Vultee
It's sad really. I had so much trouble with Doshia before she was nerfed, On my new character I fought her and beat her in 4 hits. She didn't even turn into the harvester form yet. All these nerfs are happening because people are unwilling to learn.

I disagree and agree - some is unwilling to learn, some is broken mechanics that were not fixed, some are broken skills, some because respecs were not available when she pop'd up and at the time they were far too expensive. Some of the stuff that caused Doisha to be hard is still not fixed; eg clearly being out of the red attack area and still getting damage.

I had a lot of problems with Doisha - on top of the above issues: Mainly because in 2 of the zones she was in an enclosed area and the harvester balls would come out to quickly. Kiting was near impossible in these two areas because she would reset - at least when I played her.

IMHO They should have kept her unnerfed and allowed you to bring a companion; people then would have had a choice. And they need to fix their mechanics.

Oh brother. No, just no. Doshia is what, a level 8 quest? At that point it's ridiculous to talk about respec. You've got 10, 12 skill points at the most? The respec shrines aren't even available in the first zones to this day. So that's silly.

I've beaten her easily in every alliance. If the fight is only going to last less than 10 seconds, who cares about damage? She doesn't hit that hard. All you need is to understand when to use your AoE to pop the healing bubbles so that they heal you instead of her. Just get in her face and whale away until they pop or she's dead. The mechanics, as you call them, don't need "fixing" because they don't matter. And one meter more-or-less is close enough when it comes to the red circles. Take another step back, for Pete's sake.

Kiting is okay when you're dealing with a big, elite boss level harvester, and you're in a group. But this isn't anywhere near that level of challenge.

Okay, here's the thing. You can tell if you're ready for Doshia. If you can easily take out the two groups of 3 scamps guarding her approach, then you're ready. Take on all three of them at once, use your AoE, and if they go down fast, you're good to go. If you have to take a rescue pot or kite them around so you can get them one at a time, or worse, have to use a soul gem or two, come back after you've practiced handling multiple mobs.

That's the thing. Doshia is only one mob, true, but those orbs make it really a 5 vs 1 situation. So you have to get used to thinking about how to handle that. If you don't have some kind of AoE it's going to be really hard.

I have to say that the ability to handle this kind of combat is central to being able to play this game well. It's required at every level, and just gets more and more important as you progress, to say nothing of PvP.

Anything pre-Craglorn is frustratingly easy. You could probably do 1-50 unarmed tbh. Seems more l2p than the flaws in the class/weapon systems.

Silleevad1 wrote: »

...The difference between this guy and myself, is I haven't given up yet. ...

One of the main reasons he's getting a hostile response now is that he asked for advice on his NB character back in June, then absolutely refused to accept any suggestions on improving it. I remember at the time how irritating it was.

Talrenos wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor. Turns out what I was 'supposed to do' was a majika build as most things I used wanted majika, not stam. Then I found out that bows suck badly. Medium armor is like wearing toilet paper, and nothing I did worked.

I chose to become a werewolf. That turned out to be a complete waste of skill points on something that was a horribly thought out concept that after several months ZOS is completely ignoring. Another wrong choice I made.

At 48 I attempted to do those annoying solo quests again, all of which are grey to me. Tried the sancre tor quest, I died 5x trying that. I tried the fighters guild quest, died 4x, and some arena tournament quest, where I died 6x.

I tried playing other ways, and yes, when I turned to a popular build that everyone uses for my NB, I rocked, I was able to kill things, I could survive. But that's NOT MY STYLE OF PLAY. I hated it and the abilities.

So as a result of wanting to play MY way, I can't complete the game or advance beyond 48. I am not happy. Just insert here a TON of really bad language directed toward ZOS. I mean just think of the absolute WORST you can dream up and that's what im saying right now to ZOS and their design staff.

I didn't read all the comments so I don't know if anyone said this already but I will say it anyways.

If you did the 1-50 content and couldn't complete it with your build then their are only 3 possible reasons:

1. Your build is terrible and you cant do the content with it.
2. You are terrible at playing this game and cant do the content because you are lacking skill
3. Both 1 and 2

I am truly not trying to rip on you, but if you are using a very hard build and/or not a good player you will have trouble doing the content. I dont know your build so I cant comment on that and this is pure speculation but making this thread and posting it on forums and "screaming from the rooftops" is not the way to go.

I really want to know how people struggle to do things. I'm a non stealthy duel wield NB, using a very weak class and weakest weapons, But I still do very good.

Is there just a very steep learning curve that people just think "If i spam abilities and click really fast then I'll win!" The build I use is pretty original and nothing like the most common builds, but I do very well in PvP and in PvE.