Is This a Bug?

Blade_07 · September 2014

My blacksmithing is capped out completely but I keep seeing this message as I deconstruct. The only thing that aint capped out is hireling. See pick below.

ShadowscaleSithis · September 2014

It corresponds to your adventurer level now also somewhat. If you are only like level 20-30 you won't get materials. Not the best explanation, but it is the jist of it.

Blade_07 · September 2014

wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »

It corresponds to your adventurer level now also somewhat. If you are only like level 20-30 you won't get materials. Not the best explanation, but it is the jist of it.

You did fine explaining it to me. I understand what you are saying. Honestly that really sucks. I have low level characters that I leveled a couple crafts on. The character I was on in the picture is a level 39 sorc. So, I guess its past the level where it would have this warning?

Phinix1 · September 2014

As I understood it this only effects the recovery of raw crafting mats (iron, maple, etc.)

You still have the same chance as before to recover racial stones, trait stones, and tempers, right?

Blade_07 · September 2014

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

As I understood it this only effects the recovery of raw crafting mats (iron, maple, etc.)

You still have the same chance as before to recover racial stones, trait stones, and tempers, right?

Damn....I hope so!!!

Phinix1 · September 2014

Well, I know for a fact I have received purple tempers deconstructing v12 swords or plate armor drops with my level 30 blacksmith, so I am fairly certain this doesn't effect those.

Hamfast · September 2014

Personally, I think it's been included to keep us humble, we could always do better... but then I don't remember seeing it on my maxed out crafters...

JessieColt · September 2014

The only thing new is the message. In the past if you deconstructed something and got nothing in return, you didn't receive a message telling you why. You might have seen a message that said "No recoverable materials found".

Now instead of that unhelpful message Zos set up the new message to tell you exactly why you didn't recover anything.

If you are trying to recover materials for items that are at a level that the character cannot use then the chances of recovering materials decreases.

Level appropriate characters deconstructing same level (or lower lever) gear will never see the message.

Woolenthreads · September 2014

JessieColt wrote: »

You might have seen a message that said "No recoverable materials found".

Now instead of that unhelpful message Zos set up the new message to tell you exactly why you didn't recover anything.

No, you still get the message "No usable materials found" as well. I think the message difference lies within some weird sort of zoning too as my L13 character can decon L15 items but not L16 and my L9 characters can decon L10 items but not L13. This may relate to their skill level, which I haven't actually checked atm.

I originally thought it was constrained to material able to be deconned but it clearly applies to some higher level items of the same materials that the character is working with. I might go and test it with my L4 characters on the EU server.

# Edit:
OK. I've tested this (not thoroughly, just enough to get a reasonable feel). The first step was to gather appropriately leveled items, which is more (and less) problematic than it sounds (Chest items seem to be leveled to the level of nearby critters)

So for my L4 character, who has 2 crafting skills at L4, The L5 to L7 items deconned without issue. The L8+ items deconned with the message "You lack the skill to recover all the materials from this item". So my conclusion, on admittedly small testing, is that you can decon any item up to 3 levels higher than your character level (my characters clothing skill was only L3 and he still deconned a L7 robe), after which "You lack the skill...."

tedsini_ESO · October 2014

I'm getting the same messages. My crafting alt is level V1. It can create armor and materials up to level v14. Every relevant category is maxed out (Metalworking, Metal Extraction and Metallurgy). I still get this message. So far, I've received no response from Support on my ticket.

As far as I can see, there should be no material that I am unable to extract, unless it's related to my level. I have alts at higher levels. I send their materials to my crafting alt to be deconstructed. If my level is a factor in which materials can be extracted, I'd like to be so advised so I can put some time into levelling my crafter. I'd welcome some thoughts on this.

CoolsHisHands · October 2014

You almost always get this message when deconstructing the zero-value items you find in crates and sacks. They rarely give you mats, and give almost no inspiration. Could that be it?

Other than that, when deconstructing "good" items, my crafter doesn't have any problems getting mats.

Chuggernaut · October 2014

@tedsini_ESO what was the difference in item level vs your level that you saw it?

Also once the vr levels are removed, how will that affect "Lack of skill"? Like will it go to how many points you've spent? And on that same line, what happens to all the crafting materials (like void stones and other vr level equipment stones)?

purple-magicb16_ESO · October 2014

Blade_07 wrote: »

wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »

It corresponds to your adventurer level now also somewhat. If you are only like level 20-30 you won't get materials. Not the best explanation, but it is the jist of it.

You did fine explaining it to me. I understand what you are saying. Honestly that really sucks. I have low level characters that I leveled a couple crafts on. The character I was on in the picture is a level 39 sorc. So, I guess its past the level where it would have this warning?

I agree. That does suck. Crafting should be independent from adventuring (i.e. Should not depend on it). I'd like to be able to keep alts that are strictly crafters. Right now that's not possible. All toons have to be extensive adventurers in order to be successful at anything.

tedsini_ESO · October 2014

Good questions and thoughtful responses here; I wish I had better answers but I can see that I haven't been as "scientific" in my observations as I should have been. The items that I get back are normally the same level as the item I deconstruct; i.e., if I deconstruct a blue item, I get a blue item back, and so on. The only craft I'm getting this with is blacksmithing.

My original character is maxed out for blacksmithing, clothing, woodworking and (nearly) enchanting. I had to give the provisioning and alchemy to other alts for storage reasons. (If I was starting over, I'd use two alts with three crafts each, or 3 alts with two crafts each.) I mention this to point out that this message may be something peculiar to that particular craft.

I'm going to start keeping some records of what I'm deconstructing and what I'm getting back. I'll need a few days, since I only craft for my own use and I don't craft every day. I'll post any results I come up with. Thanks again for a interesting discussion.

tedsini_ESO · October 2014

I deconstructed some items this morning - blacksmithing. What I found is that I get the message above ("You lack the skill ....") only when I deconstruct an item that is at a higher level than my crafting alt. My blacksmithing crafter is Veteran Level 1. I was deconstructing items up to level V7 and as low as level 47. I got no error message unless the items were level V2 or higher.

Small sample size (20 +/-) non-withstanding, I think this is at least one cause for this message.

Also, let me reiterate that I only get this message blacksmithing. I also deconstructed clothing and woodworking items above my level and I got no message.

Finally, this may be only a UI error. Even when I get this message I still get good items from deconstructing. For example, I got some embroidery for the blue items I deconstructed. I can't imagine what, or how many items I might be missing for the stated "lack of skill." Hope this sheds some light.