Dragonknight 1vX - PvP Move - Outnumbered

Luvsfuzzybunnies · September 2014

DDuke wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

Call me hater call me jelous I dont care but should not be possible sorry...
Tankers should tank not tank and dps like that. Proof that pvp is unballanced.

It's not the class thats overpowered.

I have to agree here.

People are just stupid if they stand near the standard & oil...

The fact of the matter is, every move DKs have can be countered (by all classes, and both stamina & magicka builds).

As a stamina (Bow/DW) Nightblade, I find DKs the easiest class to beat in 1v1, even when starting the duels from out of stealth.

Good video Sypher, keep them coming

I should like to see a duel you vs sypher make this happen soz I can watch.

Agrippa_Invisus · September 2014

Zintair wrote: »

How exactly are you guys going to dual each other as both Daggerfall?

With their weiners.

Sypher · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

@Sypherpkub17_ESO, the only thing I enjoy more than your videos is the outpouring of jealousy that follows right after

Usually from non-DKs mostly, because they think they can blame it on the class rather than their ability, whereas fellow DKs know better.

Meanwhile, there's dozens of silent others thinking what I'm saying:
"Damn! Great job man, wish I could do that..."

Take the complains as compliments and keep the videos rolling.

EDIT: I would much like a duel but as we're on different megaservers, I don't think there's a chance of that happening in the near future

DKs have been owning since BETA I don't know what you are talking about? Standard is such an amazing Ultimate I WISH my Templar had it. I have some good ones but nothing like that.

Talons/Spell Reflect/LavaWhip/Standard/Green Dragon Blood

Easily counterable. All classes have a form of their own cheese. But don't act like DKs don't have it easy. Your only lying to yourself.

DK Standard Cost 200 Ult, Debuffs, Buffs and does a TON of damage for 15 seconds.

@Sypherpkub17_ESO

Awesome vid. Sad to see so many EP who are just awful and sit in your standard/oil without even a Purge. Just because DK is an easier class to play doesn't mean they can do that. Well done.

If I disagree with you I'm lying to myself? Sure, keep thinking that, it amuses me greatly.

I play a DK and a Sorc equally, they're the same alliance rank (capt) and there's no bigger myth than the "DKs have it easy". The only thing they have easy is finding the build that works (you posted it), but there's nothing easy about doing what Sypher does.

If you think they have it easy, roll one and let me know if you can own like Sypher. A lot of the players he wipes the floor with on his vids are DKs. There's a reason you don't see many other players posting videos like that.

Lol I'm not impressed.

If someone posts a video of 1vNo Mercy or 1vAlacrity, I'll be impressed.

So you're telling me. The only way you will be impressed is if I single handily manage to take down full organized guilds that takes full advantage of blobing up on the crown and spams Impulse/Batswarm (nothing against that play style, it's your choice) all by myself? LOL.

I don't need oil to wipe pugs. I don't need a group or a pocket healer to wipe pugs. Don't generalize me with any of your "basic requirements." Your guys know (if they weren't DC), Alacrity knows, all the major guilds know what happens if they slip away from the crown and run into me.

So please... Don't let my videos threaten your ego. They're for entertainment purposes only.

You know I am cool with you Sypher but this post is massively disingenuous. I and many others in NM are former duelists and 1vXers and would relish a non-scripted run in with you.

Group play is the heart and soul of this game. For you to implicitly condescend this is beyond you, seriously. NM has first hand experience that groups of experienced duelists might be good 1v1 or 1vX against bads, but their groups fold easily against honed group players. Should we start condescending to soloists because their group play needs serious work?

I'm all for people playing as they please and I never stand against something unless it's an exploit.

But for Hova to come in here and attempt at making my work seem like child's play is just pitiful on his part.

I know for a fact that NM is an elite and skillful guild. I don't try to discredit their achievements and feats.

I'm just not a group oriented guy. Dueling and 1vX is all I do. That's my play style and I've become decent it at.

There's just no reason (besides a threatened ego / jealousy for hova to try to belittle me)

The reason is simple has nothing to do with ego/jealousy or whatever else you personally may be concerned about.

It has everything to do with the circle jerk that goes on, making people believe that what happened in the video is some immense display of pvp talent and mechanics.

Reread my first post, there was no attempt to belittle you, I was merely putting the video's merits in place with it's worth.

Facts are facts. And as I stated, and my point that I will stand by.

-->The video was basic pvp, not some godlike play. Like I said earlier, #notimpressed

"Facts are facts."

More like "opinions are opinions"

"This video is basic pvp"

Lord have mercy when we find out what advanced pvp is.

This isn't twitter, easy on the hashtags.
#rekt #hatersgonnahate #alltalk #startedfromthebottom

I got a concert tonight and a party tomorrow night, but if I'm not too hungover I'll find some time to duel you tomorrow.

Zintair wrote: »

How exactly are you guys going to dual each other as both Daggerfall?

I have an AD DK.

Agrippa_Invisus · September 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Cheese? CHEESE?

I wouldn't mind a plate of sharp cheddar and beef carpaccio now that you mention it. Also, yes. I am Aoe Barbecue.

I think we can all agree that:

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

I think DK vs DK does kind of show who would be more skilled 1v1.

In fairness though, I think that @Lfehova‌ should get credit for having a guild/organizing them etc. Its not something that shows up in a stat sheet, but it's arguably the hardest skill in the game

It might not look good in a video but it definitely is extremely difficult to do.

Happy to stream/tape your fight in 1080p if you guys want, that way no machine lag for the fighters. Looking forward to seeing 2 heavyweights go at it.

I got 5 yellow mats on @Sypherpkub17_ESO‌ if anyone is interested

Aoe_Barbecue · September 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Cheese? CHEESE?

I wouldn't mind a plate of sharp cheddar and beef carpaccio now that you mention it. Also, yes. I am Aoe Barbecue.

I think we can all agree that:

Eye yam nuclear ribs. Agrippa, this all makes sense now. EYE YAM NUCLEAR RIBS.

Agrippa_Invisus · September 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Cheese? CHEESE?

I wouldn't mind a plate of sharp cheddar and beef carpaccio now that you mention it. Also, yes. I am Aoe Barbecue.

I think we can all agree that:

Eye yam nuclear ribs. Agrippa, this all makes sense now. EYE YAM NUCLEAR RIBS.

At least you recognized what a yam looks like. I'm sure there's a couple folks going 'Eye Potato Bomb Ribs'?

Anyways. I was bored at work, though I'd provide you with some graphical representation.

Zintair · September 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Cheese? CHEESE?

I wouldn't mind a plate of sharp cheddar and beef carpaccio now that you mention it. Also, yes. I am Aoe Barbecue.

I think we can all agree that:

Eye yam nuclear ribs. Agrippa, this all makes sense now. EYE YAM NUCLEAR RIBS.

At least you recognized what a yam looks like. I'm sure there's a couple folks going 'Eye Potato Bomb Ribs'?

Anyways. I was bored at work, though I'd provide you with some graphical representation.

Thos Ribs Doh....

Lfehova · September 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

I think DK vs DK does kind of show who would be more skilled 1v1.

In fairness though, I think that @Lfehova‌ should get credit for having a guild/organizing them etc. Its not something that shows up in a stat sheet, but it's arguably the hardest skill in the game It might not look good in a video but it definitely is extremely difficult to do.

Thanks

What an extremely nice compliment. I feel as if I don't need to go out and get my duck wet anymore after this session.

I'll find some time to theorycraft some 1v1 build tomorrow.

Luvsfuzzybunnies · September 2014

I'm sure it will be published as its done so I'll be working but look forward to watching it

GRxKnight · September 2014

Sypher just once question...when you use unstable flame or whip are you animation canceling an auto attack or is it too clunky with a sword to do that with those abilities?

Sypher · September 2014

GRxKnight wrote: »

Sypher just once question...when you use unstable flame or whip are you animation canceling an auto attack or is it too clunky with a sword to do that with those abilities?

Yeah I do animation cancel frequently with whip/unstable. Especially if I'm going against someone who is holding up block.

Light Attack->Whip->Bash. before you know it they are out of stam and have to put down their block. Then I just knock them down and finish them off.

Ezareth · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

@Sypherpkub17_ESO, the only thing I enjoy more than your videos is the outpouring of jealousy that follows right after

Usually from non-DKs mostly, because they think they can blame it on the class rather than their ability, whereas fellow DKs know better.

Meanwhile, there's dozens of silent others thinking what I'm saying:
"Damn! Great job man, wish I could do that..."

Take the complains as compliments and keep the videos rolling.

EDIT: I would much like a duel but as we're on different megaservers, I don't think there's a chance of that happening in the near future

DKs have been owning since BETA I don't know what you are talking about? Standard is such an amazing Ultimate I WISH my Templar had it. I have some good ones but nothing like that.

Talons/Spell Reflect/LavaWhip/Standard/Green Dragon Blood

Easily counterable. All classes have a form of their own cheese. But don't act like DKs don't have it easy. Your only lying to yourself.

DK Standard Cost 200 Ult, Debuffs, Buffs and does a TON of damage for 15 seconds.

@Sypherpkub17_ESO

Awesome vid. Sad to see so many EP who are just awful and sit in your standard/oil without even a Purge. Just because DK is an easier class to play doesn't mean they can do that. Well done.

If I disagree with you I'm lying to myself? Sure, keep thinking that, it amuses me greatly.

I play a DK and a Sorc equally, they're the same alliance rank (capt) and there's no bigger myth than the "DKs have it easy". The only thing they have easy is finding the build that works (you posted it), but there's nothing easy about doing what Sypher does.

If you think they have it easy, roll one and let me know if you can own like Sypher. A lot of the players he wipes the floor with on his vids are DKs. There's a reason you don't see many other players posting videos like that.

Lol I'm not impressed.

If someone posts a video of 1vNo Mercy or 1vAlacrity, I'll be impressed.

So you're telling me. The only way you will be impressed is if I single handily manage to take down full organized guilds that takes full advantage of blobing up on the crown and spams Impulse/Batswarm (nothing against that play style, it's your choice) all by myself? LOL.

I don't need oil to wipe pugs. I don't need a group or a pocket healer to wipe pugs. Don't generalize me with any of your "basic requirements." Your guys know (if they weren't DC), Alacrity knows, all the major guilds know what happens if they slip away from the crown and run into me.

So please... Don't let my videos threaten your ego. They're for entertainment purposes only.

It seems someone is threatened, but I can assure you it isn't me rofl

Relax, I only "impulse blob" and "run with pocket healers".

And sorry, I will probably never be impressed with your mechanics unless you drastically improve. I decided to wash dishes and take out trash about 1 minute into your video cause I got bored.

Why are you so offended that there are players out there better than you?

Having fought both of you I have to say Sypher stands head and shoulders above you in regards to both skill and strategic thinking. I don't get where so many of you and your group get off with such egos...they're not deserved.

People say wiping pugs is not impressive...well let's face it 1 v x isn't possible against a group of skilled players. 1 v 2s against skilled players are possible with a stroke of luck/surprise/ or catching someone in PvE gear or bad solo build but more than that you wont see. As Sypher said, these videos are for entertainment purposes and this one is pretty entertaining and well put together, my favorite so far (especially that second song whatever it is).

People need to remember that the DKs greatest strength lies in fighting pugs and trash as they are an endless source of ultimate that regens your resources. No other class has that type of synergy but I don't begrudge it as they are pretty vulnerable when facing skilled players that know how to fight them.

Ezareth · September 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Yeah stacking a shield over annulment makes any magicka build great. Nothing new here.

I have 1vX videos without using any shields. But I won't ignore the fact that harness is an OP skill.

Doesn't really matter though because I killed shield stackers in the video.

Yeh the only reason you did that is because Sorcerers dont have reflect. Something you spammed every 4-8 seconds. So congratulations on using Anullment+a shield and then spamming reflect.

Sorcs have something almost comparable to reflect that serves other purposes, it's called Ball Lightning.

Aoe_Barbecue · September 2014

There is a formal difference between "strategic" 1vX (I think you mean tactical) and strategic group play.

Ezareth · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

@Sypherpkub17_ESO, the only thing I enjoy more than your videos is the outpouring of jealousy that follows right after

Usually from non-DKs mostly, because they think they can blame it on the class rather than their ability, whereas fellow DKs know better.

Meanwhile, there's dozens of silent others thinking what I'm saying:
"Damn! Great job man, wish I could do that..."

Take the complains as compliments and keep the videos rolling.

EDIT: I would much like a duel but as we're on different megaservers, I don't think there's a chance of that happening in the near future

DKs have been owning since BETA I don't know what you are talking about? Standard is such an amazing Ultimate I WISH my Templar had it. I have some good ones but nothing like that.

Talons/Spell Reflect/LavaWhip/Standard/Green Dragon Blood

Easily counterable. All classes have a form of their own cheese. But don't act like DKs don't have it easy. Your only lying to yourself.

DK Standard Cost 200 Ult, Debuffs, Buffs and does a TON of damage for 15 seconds.

@Sypherpkub17_ESO

Awesome vid. Sad to see so many EP who are just awful and sit in your standard/oil without even a Purge. Just because DK is an easier class to play doesn't mean they can do that. Well done.

If I disagree with you I'm lying to myself? Sure, keep thinking that, it amuses me greatly.

I play a DK and a Sorc equally, they're the same alliance rank (capt) and there's no bigger myth than the "DKs have it easy". The only thing they have easy is finding the build that works (you posted it), but there's nothing easy about doing what Sypher does.

If you think they have it easy, roll one and let me know if you can own like Sypher. A lot of the players he wipes the floor with on his vids are DKs. There's a reason you don't see many other players posting videos like that.

Lol I'm not impressed.

If someone posts a video of 1vNo Mercy or 1vAlacrity, I'll be impressed.

So you're telling me. The only way you will be impressed is if I single handily manage to take down full organized guilds that takes full advantage of blobing up on the crown and spams Impulse/Batswarm (nothing against that play style, it's your choice) all by myself? LOL.

I don't need oil to wipe pugs. I don't need a group or a pocket healer to wipe pugs. Don't generalize me with any of your "basic requirements." Your guys know (if they weren't DC), Alacrity knows, all the major guilds know what happens if they slip away from the crown and run into me.

So please... Don't let my videos threaten your ego. They're for entertainment purposes only.

You know I am cool with you Sypher but this post is massively disingenuous. I and many others in NM are former duelists and 1vXers and would relish a non-scripted run in with you.

Group play is the heart and soul of this game. For you to implicitly condescend this is beyond you, seriously. NM has first hand experience that groups of experienced duelists might be good 1v1 or 1vX against bads, but their groups fold easily against honed group players. Should we start condescending to soloists because their group play needs serious work?

I'm all for people playing as they please and I never stand against something unless it's an exploit.

But for Hova to come in here and attempt at making my work seem like child's play is just pitiful on his part.

I know for a fact that NM is an elite and skillful guild. I don't try to discredit their achievements and feats.

I'm just not a group oriented guy. Dueling and 1vX is all I do. That's my play style and I've become decent it at.

There's just no reason (besides a threatened ego / jealousy for hova to try to belittle me)

The reason is simple has nothing to do with ego/jealousy or whatever else you personally may be concerned about.

It has everything to do with the circle jerk that goes on, making people believe that what happened in the video is some immense display of pvp talent and mechanics.

Reread my first post, there was no attempt to belittle you, I was merely putting the video's merits in place with it's worth.

Facts are facts. And as I stated, and my point that I will stand by.

-->The video was basic pvp, not some godlike play. Like I said earlier, #notimpressed

Sypher never never said he had some immense display of PvP talent and mechanics but the people he has fought have. I've killed him a couple dozen times and he always takes more than a couple down with him. I've fought few DKs with his skill not just in his understanding of his abilities, targeting mechanics and awareness but I've seen an eye for strategy out of him that I've seen in few others.

I'm not some nut hugger, when I see him in PvP I go for him hard and typically get the killing blow on him but respect is due where it is earned. I've seen several DKs that are his equal in many things but none that I would consider better in any of them.

Agrippa_Invisus · September 2014

Strategy = Taking an outpost keep (Drake/Dragon/Brindle) prior to an expected scroll raid so you have your lanes of transit clear of enemy reinforcements, attacking backfield keeps to pull defenders away from the front line, after crowning emp letting the opposing alliances have their most distant inner circle keeps back so they have a border with each other and can fight amongst themselves.

Tactics = Flanking a siege line, setting an ambush in a chokepoint, back capping a resource node that has a siege force's tent on it, and so on.

Strategy is the grand theater, and tactics is the close up, down and dirty.

Ezareth · September 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

There is a formal difference between "strategic" 1vX (I think you mean tactical) and strategic group play.

Strategic sense has no bounds whether you're talking about 1vX or group play. When in group play the ability of the individual to execute his own strategy is impaired by the group leader which is the nature of adopting a leader. You're limited to an extent by the skills of your leader, and this limitation is expanded the larger your group is. The members of the group become very good at executing their particular set of skills or tactics for that group but they miss much outside of that. They don't need to self heal, they don't need to manage resources the same way, the ebb and flow of the battle isn't as important in their decision making.

I did the first 25 levels of PvP almost purely in group play and learned much. After going solo for the next 6 levels afterwards I realized there was much I was missing in group play that I never had to deal with.

Now when I try group play, I'm bored. You turn into another cog in the wheel, min/maxed and specialized for a particular group function. You become very effective at that function but the mind is rarely being stressed in the way it is in 1vX play. The amount of information you must evaluate and consider is considerably less and you have only yourself to rely on. This gives you the ability to refine and hone your sense of strategy.

Just my personal observation there.

Mojomonkeyman · September 2014

I`ve never read so much crap about group play like in this thread. You guys are cute.

There`s a reason no top arena player in any game with decent ELO ladder could be bothered to run with a larger group, even the most "skilled" groups, except for brainless relax & some giggles maybe - because it is boring as f*ck for talented individuals and not something where pvp qualities can shine.

Funny tho, how carebear kindergarten pvpers still try to tell themselves coordination = so much skill...

Sypher · September 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I`ve never read so much crap about group play like in this thread. You guys are cute.

There`s a reason no top arena player in any game with decent ELO ladder could be bothered to run with a larger group, even the most "skilled" groups, except for brainless relax & some giggles maybe - because it is boring as f*ck for talented individuals and not something where pvp qualities can shine.

Funny tho, how carebear kindergarten pvpers still try to tell themselves coordination = so much skill...

I ran with NM and a few other guilds a few times. Every guild has different ways of play. But, all of them universally follow the "Group up on the crown" mentality. Whoever is the lead (crown) is the guy doing the shots and running things.

I remember running away from the crown and immediately being yelled at to come back to the crown.

Just not my play style and has a very limited skill ceiling. But I respect those who do like that style.

james_vestbergb16_ESO · September 2014

Gotta ask Sypher how do you manage to maintain your stamina the way you do, and thus able to block as much? I mean do they not target you?

You run 7/7 light right? When I'm up against x players my stamina goes swoop if i keep it up like you do.

And nice video ofc

Tintinabula · September 2014

The video was cute..the hentai was cuter..the music was awesome..stop trying to steal Syphers little bit of sun. I don't pat anyone on the back but if anyone deserves a second look its someone who runs solo..not someone surrounded by their friends.

Sypher · September 2014

james_vestbergb16_ESO wrote: »

Gotta ask Sypher how do you manage to maintain your stamina the way you do, and thus able to block as much? I mean do they not target you?

You run 7/7 light right? When I'm up against x players my stamina goes swoop if i keep it up like you do.

And nice video ofc

Arena Set reduces cost of CC break. I also walk around with close to 2k Stamina. And when I cast an earthen heart ability (eruption or obsidian shield) I get 5% max stamina back.

Tintinabula wrote: »

The video was cute..the hentai was cuter..the music was awesome..stop trying to steal Syphers little but of sun. I don't pat anyone on the back but if anyone deserves a second look its someone who runs solo..not someone surrounded by their friends.

squshy7 · September 2014

@Sypherpkub17_ESO‌
just a quick question.
mind posting what hardware your rig runs on?

Sypher · September 2014

squshy7 wrote: »

@Sypherpkub17_ESO‌
just a quick question.
mind posting what hardware your rig runs on?

Sure (I'm also not an expert when it comes to rigs)

Intel i7 4660k and Nvidia PNY 660 for my graphics card.
8gb Ram.

Aoe_Barbecue · September 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

There is a formal difference between "strategic" 1vX (I think you mean tactical) and strategic group play.

Strategic sense has no bounds whether you're talking about 1vX or group play. When in group play the ability of the individual to execute his own strategy is impaired by the group leader which is the nature of adopting a leader. You're limited to an extent by the skills of your leader, and this limitation is expanded the larger your group is. The members of the group become very good at executing their particular set of skills or tactics for that group but they miss much outside of that. They don't need to self heal, they don't need to manage resources the same way, the ebb and flow of the battle isn't as important in their decision making.

Now when I try group play, I'm bored. You turn into another cog in the wheel, min/maxed and specialized for a particular group function. You become very effective at that function but the mind is rarely being stressed in the way it is in 1vX play. The amount of information you must evaluate and consider is considerably less and you have only yourself to rely on. This gives you the ability to refine and hone your sense of strategy.

It sounds like your group play was either in a zerg or a full large group of a style I dislike. (As opposed to "play this build" I prefer "play your class". The amount of optimal builds is limited but you'd be surprised how much flavor you can manage to add. No 2 DK's in NM has the same build.) Part of the reason NM is successful is that we have players with excellent individual ability, which we then focus on group objectives. (A lot of us were primarily gankers, duelists, and 1vX'ers before coming to the guild.) At various times we're crowned up and blobbing, and other times we'll have 4 or 5 pairs fighting at various places blowing sht up before grouping back up. We are flexible and succeed because we make plays apart from just blobbing up. Players who are playing sub-optimally are called out for it; we expect our players to be able to fend for themselves while simultaneously playing for group objectives. We support each other, but a wall is only as strong as each brick.

Aoe_Barbecue · September 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

I ran with NM and a few other guilds a few times. Every guild has different ways of play. But, all of them universally follow the "Group up on the crown" mentality. Whoever is the lead (crown) is the guy doing the shots and running things.

I remember running away from the crown and immediately being yelled at to come back to the crown.

Just not my play style and has a very limited skill ceiling. But I respect those who do like that style.

We do more than grouping on the crown man. I think it's more likely you went away from the crown when at that specific moment we needed people to blob up. The skill ceiling is far from limited in group play; it is incredibly difficult to even get 8 people to pull off specific maneuvers. A group's ability to make plays on the fly that actually work has a very high ceiling. I like you Sypher, but I think you are most definitely wrong here.

Sypher · September 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

I ran with NM and a few other guilds a few times. Every guild has different ways of play. But, all of them universally follow the "Group up on the crown" mentality. Whoever is the lead (crown) is the guy doing the shots and running things.

I remember running away from the crown and immediately being yelled at to come back to the crown.

Just not my play style and has a very limited skill ceiling. But I respect those who do like that style.

We do more than grouping on the crown man. I think it's more likely you went away from the crown when at that specific moment we needed people to blob up. The skill ceiling is far from limited in group play; it is incredibly difficult to even get 8 people to pull off specific maneuvers. A group's ability to make plays on the fly that actually work has a very high ceiling. I like you Sypher, but I think you are most definitely wrong here.

I chose my wording poorly. The skill ceiling for a particular group is high. But as an individual, you can only go so far when it comes to solo production towards the group. So you can't reach your full potential as an individual.

Aoe_Barbecue · September 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

I ran with NM and a few other guilds a few times. Every guild has different ways of play. But, all of them universally follow the "Group up on the crown" mentality. Whoever is the lead (crown) is the guy doing the shots and running things.

I remember running away from the crown and immediately being yelled at to come back to the crown.

Just not my play style and has a very limited skill ceiling. But I respect those who do like that style.

We do more than grouping on the crown man. I think it's more likely you went away from the crown when at that specific moment we needed people to blob up. The skill ceiling is far from limited in group play; it is incredibly difficult to even get 8 people to pull off specific maneuvers. A group's ability to make plays on the fly that actually work has a very high ceiling. I like you Sypher, but I think you are most definitely wrong here.

I chose my wording poorly. The skill ceiling for a particular group is high. But as an individual, you can only go so far when it comes to solo production towards the group. So you can't reach your full potential as an individual.

I would say different categories bro. When I solo these days, which is admittedly rare compared to when I first started playing, my build and tactics change significantly. The individual in a group, in an optimal situation, leverages all his or her play for the benefit of group goals, e.g. smashing a zerg or fighting an organized group. The individual soloist leverages his or her play for personal goals, e.g. 1vX or dueling. They're not on the same spectrum and each requires different abilities and approaches. If I brought my solo weapon set and skill bars to group I could play but I'd be intentionally gimping myself and thus keeping the group back.

An individual can find their full potential dedicated to group play or solo play alike.

Tintinabula · September 2014

an Individuals 1v1 goal should be to stay alive amongst other things. Those "other goals" should be secondary in a group situation..stay alive first..then other things.

If you do the other things well in a group situation and you know how to stay alive 1v1 the rest is cake in a group.