when I got on blackwater blade last night... the lag was awful. may just be me though.

I just don't see the logic behind not moving to a less populated server if all you're experiencing on thornblade is lag, grief, zerg, impulse spam, crashes, etc. etc....it's like everyone is a masochist or something.

LonePirate wrote: »

I find it interesting, and possibly even telling, that no one from ZOS has chimed in on this thread, even just to comment that they are investigating last night's problems.

Or does everyone have confidence that the problems are being researched without any official proclamations?

What is being researched is how to downplay it and how long being silent works...

I don't get it. People complained that both CR and TB were poplocked at prime time. Queues were backed up so much people clamored for a new 30 day camp. ZOS added said 30-day camp and people are STILL trying to cram all onto TB. I'm having trouble understanding this mentality, especially when there are other servers in need of players. You know what happens when you get matter so dense it collapses upon itself? A black hole. You know what happens when 300+ people cram into one space on one server?

Had is still in need of strong DC and EP. DC probably more than EP because EP's been consistently giving AD hell. All it takes is 15-20 skilled players to get something started. If all everyone's gonna do is gripe and quit, there'll be no one left to do anything. There's options there everyone's just too stubborn to capitalize on them.

I'm still very curious on the technical aspect of the lag.

OK, so we removed the client factor. My PC is strong enough to hold everything up, and driving down settings to low quality doesn't help at all. We still get the lag, the running-man lag, the crashes, the warping around, the screen tearing, the "why's everyone frozen?" issues.

So I have a good feeling it's in Zenimax's server. Then we're split to 2: Network and server loads. Let's all assume that ZOS can simply up the bandwidth and balance the net load between multiple locations, easy (but costly). Now we're set on fixing server load.

The question becomes: what loads the servers the most? People say they crash more often when zerg balls comes on their screen. Is it really? Is it a zerg or simply having hundreds of people on your screen? Because I had huge battles with 3 factions before and it's not as unstable as when a group of skeletons in a ring of fire runs at me. So is the load from processing the net data for a spike (keyword: spike) in new players that need to be processed; OR the hitbox/skill/gameplay netcode that processes all those ring of fires, how far they hit, how many people got hit, what's the damage after calculating the victim's armor etc... OR it's both?

To summarize, I'm curious if it's network issue or a server issue.
If server issue, is it because of the number of players, or the number of skills being generated by those players, or both?

Because it would really dictate how they're going to fix it, and how that'll impact us, the players.

but yes, lag was unbearable. sometimes i'm just stuck at a loading screen when I rez...

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Yesterday was still laggy as heck, though not as bad as 9/23.

There were numerous times while trying to retake Arrius from AD that we saw skill and movement lag. Invasion caused several lag ports through walls and enemy NPCs. Many siege pieces were lost to bugging out.

I suspect, strongly, it's the presence of a lot of player characters in one part of the zone that is causing it. Even if they were in the zone already, just being in one area is bringing the lagstorms.

As soon as the giant zergs dispersed instead of being focused in one area, the lag began to abate, but returned when AD were pushed back to Bloodmayne and there was a large AD zerg defending it. Cyrodiil's servers were definitely designed to have its players distributed around the zone.

To emphasize -- I am NOT blaming AD for the lag. It's the sheer number of players in one area causing it -- and any faction doing it would cause the lag. AD was focusing most of its forces in one area due to not wanting to a) give up a chance at Ghartok and, later, b) not let anyone get Mnem. Both of which are completely understable strategies.

It's ironic that the large scale scenarios with which they marketed the game's PvP are the things that their systems can't handle.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I don't get it. People complained that both CR and TB were poplocked at prime time. Queues were backed up so much people clamored for a new 30 day camp. ZOS added said 30-day camp and people are STILL trying to cram all onto TB. I'm having trouble understanding this mentality, especially when there are other servers in need of players. You know what happens when you get matter so dense it collapses upon itself? A black hole. You know what happens when 300+ people cram into one space on one server?

Had is still in need of strong DC and EP. DC probably more than EP because EP's been consistently giving AD hell. All it takes is 15-20 skilled players to get something started. If all everyone's gonna do is gripe and quit, there'll be no one left to do anything. There's options there everyone's just too stubborn to capitalize on them.

Because as soon as one large group starts maining in azura, people are going to accuse them of running away and making themselves a buff server.

I went to PvP on my alt, witnessed that server-wide crash, and immediately just logged in to my main to quest in Crag. Not even worth going into Thorn.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

With EP on the flags at Roebeck, having just picked Chim off the scroll pedestal... BAM! Right before the crash, the keep was still listed as yellow (we were all watching intently), and the scroll of Ni-Mohk was stored in Bloodmayne.

Not sure if you guys were booted before us or if we just got the update sooner, but Vokundein was inside on the flags at Roe and the keep did flip EP right before the crash.

Talcyndl wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

With EP on the flags at Roebeck, having just picked Chim off the scroll pedestal... BAM! Right before the crash, the keep was still listed as yellow (we were all watching intently), and the scroll of Ni-Mohk was stored in Bloodmayne.

Not sure if you guys were booted before us or if we just got the update sooner, but Vokundein was inside on the flags at Roe and the keep did flip EP right before the crash.

Map in game never updated, nor did the usual alerts go out. We saw Frozn had picked up the scroll, started cheering for him in TS, and then curses as we went back to character select.

Dleatherus wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

Waited until the pop was 2 bars across the board last night and didn't have one crash. Not that much lag either compared to what it has been like.

is the answer capping campaign pops when 2 bars are full and keeping the current number of campaigns to achieve more population balanced campaigns and reduce the lag at the same time?

D.

It might be. Back in Dawnbreaker 2.0 and Chillrend 1.0, the PVP was at its best when it was 2 bars across the board. A small group could have a huge impact on the map and the zergs were reasonably sized. 2 raid groups at one place was a massive commitment for a single faction.

Talcyndl wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

With EP on the flags at Roebeck, having just picked Chim off the scroll pedestal... BAM! Right before the crash, the keep was still listed as yellow (we were all watching intently), and the scroll of Ni-Mohk was stored in Bloodmayne.

Not sure if you guys were booted before us or if we just got the update sooner, but Vokundein was inside on the flags at Roe and the keep did flip EP right before the crash.

Map in game never updated, nor did the usual alerts go out. We saw Frozn had picked up the scroll, started cheering for him in TS, and then curses as we went back to character select.

Understood. Just saying it did update for us. We were all talking about it in TS and hoping it didn't rollback.

So apparently they really did fix the "keep state" on crashes. Now they just need to figure out the "scroll state" part.

Yeah. Considering that Bloodmayne never fell last night, the DC scroll of Ni-Mohk should still be inside it and DC wouldn't have been able to remove Altadoon from the scroll temple. I highly doubt AD is happy about that at all.

The game was sold on the basis of large pvp battles...after 6 months the game still can t deliver what it promised. Massive lags as soon as more than 60 people are together is not a large pvp battle.

Was that overreaching? Was that false advertising? Whatever it was it is not what is and was advertised so... I pay my $15 because I want ZOS to provide what was advertized but at the same time I feel like a sucker because I am paying for something I am not getting. (PVE is not what I bought the game for so I have no interest whatsoever in grinding levels in dungeons or doing quests)

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

Waited until the pop was 2 bars across the board last night and didn't have one crash. Not that much lag either compared to what it has been like.

is the answer capping campaign pops when 2 bars are full and keeping the current number of campaigns to achieve more population balanced campaigns and reduce the lag at the same time?

D.

Could it be the capping process itself which is causing the issues rather than the population ?
ie bad code used for the capping.

It COULD be anything as far as we know since there's no communication as to what they think it could be, or how they're working on it.

Sallington wrote: »

It COULD be anything as far as we know since there's no communication as to what they think it could be, or how they're working on it.

"or how they're working on it"
"they're working on it"
"working on it"

Somehow I doubt it because there is ZERO evidence that anything whatsoever is done about pvp. No communication, no announcements, no community manager engaging in between devs and players...nothing

So the "working on it" I think means someone looks at charts, then goes "Mehhhh" and bites into a donuts going back to watching Youtube and funny videos of kittens and puppies