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Why make DKs so powerful...
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Everyone else can be beaten, DKS all use the same skills at the same time. Bloody dull. Kills the game.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO4
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shadowz081✭✭✭They can be beaten...You just have to use shield and sword and beat them in the proverbial war of attrition, or catch them unaware and burst them down in 2 seconds or 5-10 v 1 them.9 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭All other classes are so easy to beat in comparison.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO414
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✭✭✭I found a book in TESO (forgot the title) which consist of only 2 pages about the Dragonknight. It just is chanting something about DK's being all mighty and they have draginblood. I will post a screen when i get home. And if the book tells you they are all powerfull it is true because it is in the game.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."6 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭shadowz081 wrote: »They can be beaten...You just have to use shield and sword and beat them in the proverbial war of attrition, or catch them unaware and burst them down in 2 seconds or 5-10 v 1 them.
As an NB there are no battles of attrition. Well not with my build. In melee its pretty much a waste of time. Not going to use shades or fear, don't like them.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO44 -
Darthryan✭✭✭As a nb also, I don't 1v1 them ever. I just try to wait till like 5 people are beating onthem then I try to shoot some arrows and help kill them. Somethimes it works. Zos will not even try to fix pvp so I gave up even asking why are they so *** powerful and my class is a little boy in comparison.3 -
AreoHotah✭✭✭✭As a nb play sneaky and you have big chances to kill him 1 on 1. Im vr 14, with soft capped weapon damage and stamina on my bow build.
From stealth (and from sides or back not front) and just in range of snipe use snipe on him, while the arrow is in the air use marked target while closing on to him so you can use venom arrow 2 or 3 times fast (he will be stuned abit after that snipe). I usually have them on 30% hp at that point. Then just destroy them with inpale (does 300% more damage on low targets) but if he still not dead your ultimate should be full by then.
Play smart, know how he thinks. Good luck.
PS : I have full legendary gear with full legendary enchantement so thats max dps right there.Hota'h, Dual-wield/bow full medium armor NB Khajiit from day 1.
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✭✭✭As i NB full stamina bow and DW and medium armor i can take them when they are unaware. If they afre vampire and i can catch them unaware i can kill them quick. else i have to sneak upo to them and use vampire suck on them so they are cc'ed unbreakable so others can kill them.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."1 -
GwaynLoki✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »shadowz081 wrote: »They can be beaten...You just have to use shield and sword and beat them in the proverbial war of attrition, or catch them unaware and burst them down in 2 seconds or 5-10 v 1 them.
As an NB there are no battles of attrition. Well not with my build. In melee its pretty much a waste of time. Not going to use shades or fear, don't like them.
If you refuse to use the tools that are given to the NB class, then you will obviously be unable to beat a player who uses the most powerful tools given to his class and plays where his class is most powerful at: melee. "Play how you want" doesn't mean "play how you want and be equally successful". Run 1h/s if you want to have a chance against them. Otherwise I would say you are not annoyed enough with losing to them. Adapt your strategy to your prey.jelliedsoup wrote: »Everyone else can be beaten, DKS all use the same skills at the same time. Bloody dull. Kills the game.
I would say that DK have the advantage of being a class that even a bad player can be decent with without putting too much work into it. That's the nature of the game in general though. Burst-NBs are in a similar spot when it comes to stealth-attacks against the majority of unsuspecting/badly geared/distracted players.
DKs can be beaten though. Not by numbers, by clever gameplay. That's my experience, feel free to tell me I am only meeting bad ones - which could ofc be true since so many bad players are flocking to a class that allows them to perform better than on others. My most epic encounter was getting ambushed by a DK who then got two people for reinforcement. He ended up running away with his friends dead on the floor.
Don't let DKs reputation beat you for them. Your best bet when encountering them is to keep calm. Play your strenghts, hit them where they are weak.
Edited by GwaynLoki on September 24, 2014 11:25AM9 -
thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »Ranged Unblockables are your friend, especially Soul Assault.
ive seen DK and others get out of sou assault i dnt know how, its looks like they are using break free, does that work ?0 -
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Nope, purge does though. So maybe a healer nearby purged them or if it's a Temp they can purge themselves.thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »Ranged Unblockables are your friend, especially Soul Assault.
ive seen DK and others get out of sou assault i dnt know how, its looks like they are using break free, does that work ?jelliedsoup wrote: »Why make DKs so powerful...
So much lol.jelliedsoup wrote: »Not going to use shades or fear, don't like them.
I went up to a DK and I tried to punch him to death but I died. Not going to use weapons or skills, don't like them.EU | PC | AD10 -
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✭✭✭I am a DK and any class can defeat a DK. From stealth, NBs can hit for over 2K damage. From there, a couple of weapon skills can finish them off. For Sorcs, just keep the DK at range and use Crystal Fragments, if possible. For Templars, Invasion paired with Biting Jabs can be lethal.
If you think you can simply walk up to a DK and attack them with melee skills and they see you coming beforehand, then you are rolling the dice. DKs are the melee warriors of ESO. They are designed to be tough in 1v1 fights that are up close and personal. Ranged and surprise (burst) attacks are their weaknesses and that's how you defeat them.5 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »I am a DK and any class can defeat a DK. From stealth, NBs can hit for over 2K damage. From there, a couple of weapon skills can finish them off. For Sorcs, just keep the DK at range and use Crystal Fragments, if possible. For Templars, Invasion paired with Biting Jabs can be lethal.
If you think you can simply walk up to a DK and attack them with melee skills and they see you coming beforehand, then you are rolling the dice. DKs are the melee warriors of ESO. They are designed to be tough in 1v1 fights that are up close and personal. Ranged and surprise (burst) attacks are their weaknesses and that's how you defeat them.
that is misleading information and i disagree with you. im sory
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✭How to defeat any DK:
Step 1: Level up your Alliance War "Assault" skill line to 6
Step 2: Learn "Caltrops"
Step 3: Cast Caltrops on the DK
Step 4: Kill the defenseless (aka "no stamina left") DK
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jelliedsoup wrote: »shadowz081 wrote: »They can be beaten...You just have to use shield and sword and beat them in the proverbial war of attrition, or catch them unaware and burst them down in 2 seconds or 5-10 v 1 them.
As an NB there are no battles of attrition. Well not with my build. In melee its pretty much a waste of time. Not going to use shades or fear, don't like them.
Sounds like your build is setup for one thing and you mad that it cant do another very well. I redid my build to get max stam dps in my DK. I cant storm in and solo like i used to.
There is only one god and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death: “Not today...”
"We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La."
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✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »How to defeat any DK:
Step 1: Level up your Alliance War "Assault" skill line to 6
Step 2: Learn "Caltrops"
Step 3: Cast Caltrops on the DK
Step 4: Kill the defenseless (aka "no stamina left") DK
Any questions?
How to do it faster:
Step 1: roll a nightblade
Step 2: 1-3 above
Step 3: bring the stamina drain into overkill with shades.
Step 4: fear him when he gets close. More drain on the break free.
Step 5: profit.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!2 -
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✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »I am a DK and any class can defeat a DK. From stealth, NBs can hit for over 2K damage. From there, a couple of weapon skills can finish them off. For Sorcs, just keep the DK at range and use Crystal Fragments, if possible. For Templars, Invasion paired with Biting Jabs can be lethal.
If you think you can simply walk up to a DK and attack them with melee skills and they see you coming beforehand, then you are rolling the dice. DKs are the melee warriors of ESO. They are designed to be tough in 1v1 fights that are up close and personal. Ranged and surprise (burst) attacks are their weaknesses and that's how you defeat them.
that is misleading information and i disagree with you. im sory
There is nothing misleading about what I have said. If you play one of the other classes and follow the advice I gave, you will greatly increase your chances against a DK. There are no instant kill buttons in this game and you will not find one if that is what you're seeking.
You don't need to like or agree with what I said. I am just speaking from experience based on tactics that have successfully been used against me in the past. If you don't believe me, then by all means, please ignore everything I have said if you meet me on the battlefield in Cyrodiil.4 -
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✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »How to defeat any DK:
Step 1: Level up your Alliance War "Assault" skill line to 6
Step 2: Learn "Caltrops"
Step 3: Cast Caltrops on the DK
Step 4: Kill the defenseless (aka "no stamina left") DK
Any questions?
Yeah, I got one.
When fighting/duelling a DK the first resource you need to keep an eye on is Stamina. The moment you can no longer block, dodge, whatever, is the moment you'll get shield charged down and whipped to death.
So with the above in mind, how does spending 800+ of your available stamina (which is 2/3 of your pool for magicka builds) on Caltrops give you an edge in Stamina resource management exactly?EU | PC | AD4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »I am a DK and any class can defeat a DK. From stealth, NBs can hit for over 2K damage. From there, a couple of weapon skills can finish them off. For Sorcs, just keep the DK at range and use Crystal Fragments, if possible. For Templars, Invasion paired with Biting Jabs can be lethal.
If you think you can simply walk up to a DK and attack them with melee skills and they see you coming beforehand, then you are rolling the dice. DKs are the melee warriors of ESO. They are designed to be tough in 1v1 fights that are up close and personal. Ranged and surprise (burst) attacks are their weaknesses and that's how you defeat them.
that is misleading information and i disagree with you. im sory
There is nothing misleading about what I have said. If you play one of the other classes and follow the advice I gave, you will greatly increase your chances against a DK. There are no instant kill buttons in this game and you will not find one if that is what you're seeking.
You don't need to like or agree with what I said. I am just speaking from experience based on tactics that have successfully been used against me in the past. If you don't believe me, then by all means, please ignore everything I have said if you meet me on the battlefield in Cyrodiil.
dragonights have the ability to heal themselves, we nightblades do not have such a skill like that.
dragonights have a skill that can make them recieve healing from any damage done to them while at the same time damage the person increasingly as he tires to fight the dragonight. we nightblades dont have any skill like that, these type of skills the dragonights have are not shared by other classes and is out of balance with the rest of the other classes.
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seanolan✭✭✭✭DKs have 2 options: be tough to kill (you know, a TANK style build) or have dps. It's almost impossible to actually have both. If a DK is laying down major dps, he's just as easy to kill as any other DPSer. If he is taking tiny damage, then he isn't going to DPS for *** (I am one of those REALLY tanky DKs and my DPS sucks donkey wangs). If he tries to hybridize, he's going to run out of magicka/stamina so fast that he really won't be effective. So, instead of whining how impossible it is to kill a DK, pay attention to what he is doing and actually USE FRAKKING STRATEGY to kill him instead of just 1-3-1-4-1-3-1-4 over and over! I die often enough, even with a tanky build, and I have a heck of a time killing anyone, unless they ARE falling into the rinse-repeat cycle of attacking me...then I simply can use what skills I have to smack them down and pummel them with light attacks until they die (and yes, that's typically the way I end up killing stupid NBs and Sorcs...Templars are the only ones who seemingly have HAD to learn how to fight and are good at changing their styles of combat, and therefore give me serious challenge when battling.5
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✭✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
dragonights have a skill that can make them recieve healing from any damage done to them while at the same time damage the person increasingly as he tires to fight the dragonight. we nightblades dont have any skill like that, these type of skills the dragonights have are not shared by other classes and is out of balance with the rest of the other classes.
What skill is that?Retired.
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i do not play a dragonight, i do not know the names of those skills, nor do i care to know the names of those skills, i know the effects of those skills so i commented on those effects.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
dragonights have a skill that can make them recieve healing from any damage done to them while at the same time damage the person increasingly as he tires to fight the dragonight. we nightblades dont have any skill like that, these type of skills the dragonights have are not shared by other classes and is out of balance with the rest of the other classes.
What skill is that?
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seanolan✭✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
i do not play a dragonight, i do not know the names of those skills, nor do i care to know the names of those skills, i know the effects of those skills so i commented on those effects.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
dragonights have a skill that can make them recieve healing from any damage done to them while at the same time damage the person increasingly as he tires to fight the dragonight. we nightblades dont have any skill like that, these type of skills the dragonights have are not shared by other classes and is out of balance with the rest of the other classes.
What skill is that?
No such skill. Don't know what the hell you are talking about.6 -
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i was told it is an ultimateHlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
i do not play a dragonight, i do not know the names of those skills, nor do i care to know the names of those skills, i know the effects of those skills so i commented on those effects.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
dragonights have a skill that can make them recieve healing from any damage done to them while at the same time damage the person increasingly as he tires to fight the dragonight. we nightblades dont have any skill like that, these type of skills the dragonights have are not shared by other classes and is out of balance with the rest of the other classes.
What skill is that?
No such skill. Don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »I am a DK and any class can defeat a DK. From stealth, NBs can hit for over 2K damage. From there, a couple of weapon skills can finish them off. For Sorcs, just keep the DK at range and use Crystal Fragments, if possible. For Templars, Invasion paired with Biting Jabs can be lethal.
If you think you can simply walk up to a DK and attack them with melee skills and they see you coming beforehand, then you are rolling the dice. DKs are the melee warriors of ESO. They are designed to be tough in 1v1 fights that are up close and personal. Ranged and surprise (burst) attacks are their weaknesses and that's how you defeat them.
that is misleading information and i disagree with you. im sory
There is nothing misleading about what I have said. If you play one of the other classes and follow the advice I gave, you will greatly increase your chances against a DK. There are no instant kill buttons in this game and you will not find one if that is what you're seeking.
You don't need to like or agree with what I said. I am just speaking from experience based on tactics that have successfully been used against me in the past. If you don't believe me, then by all means, please ignore everything I have said if you meet me on the battlefield in Cyrodiil.
dragonights have the ability to heal themselves, we nightblades do not have such a skill like that.
dragonights have a skill that can make them recieve healing from any damage done to them while at the same time damage the person increasingly as he tires to fight the dragonight. we nightblades dont have any skill like that, these type of skills the dragonights have are not shared by other classes and is out of balance with the rest of the other classes.
You paid no attention to what I said about NBs. You need to attack from stealth and use your high burst damage DPS skills to start the fight. You can easily get in at least one weapon skill attack before the DK even locates you to begin their attack. The NB can easily remove 2500 HP from me at this point, sometimes even more.
DKs have no high burst DPS class skills like NBs do. DKs also have no ranged class skills except for the Dragon Leap ultimate skill and the chains gap closer which very few DKs use in Cyrodiil. You simply need to utilize your own skills to their full potential and know the DK weaknesses. I am killed by NBs more than I am by any other class in Cyrodiil - even more than by other DKs. You should rethink your tactics and skills if you are a NB and are struggling against DKs.6 -
seanolan✭✭✭✭You were told wrong. ONLY ultimate anything like that is the Standard, which increases healing taken and damage dealt by the DK...it does NOT turn damage taken into healing or any garbage like that. Also, an ULTIMATE is not really a skill...and NB ultimates are QUITE efficacious at healing, if I recall correctly!10
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Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭DKs have 2 options: be tough to kill (you know, a TANK style build) or have dps. It's almost impossible to actually have both. If a DK is laying down major dps, he's just as easy to kill as any other DPSer. If he is taking tiny damage, then he isn't going to DPS for *** (I am one of those REALLY tanky DKs and my DPS sucks donkey wangs). If he tries to hybridize, he's going to run out of magicka/stamina so fast that he really won't be effective. So, instead of whining how impossible it is to kill a DK, pay attention to what he is doing and actually USE FRAKKING STRATEGY to kill him instead of just 1-3-1-4-1-3-1-4 over and over! I die often enough, even with a tanky build, and I have a heck of a time killing anyone, unless they ARE falling into the rinse-repeat cycle of attacking me...then I simply can use what skills I have to smack them down and pummel them with light attacks until they die (and yes, that's typically the way I end up killing stupid NBs and Sorcs...Templars are the only ones who seemingly have HAD to learn how to fight and are good at changing their styles of combat, and therefore give me serious challenge when battling.
DK with max mag and max mag/regen and max spell power (510 lava whip...). 1700 stam with 90 stam regen. Running 5l/2m with harness magicka and volatile armor alway on ... 2450 armor
Yup a DK can be a tank and a dps a the same time
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thorspark✭✭✭As a DW/Bow NB I don't care about DKs, except of course of the ones that actually know how to play their class.
Use heated blades and you will see most of DK's attacks having absolutely no effect on you.
Mass hysteria if things get messy.
Shades to drain their stamina.
There's many many ways to kill them.DK Vet 12 / NB Vampire Vet 7 / Sorcerer Vet 5 / Templar WW - Guilde Les pochtrons4 -
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✭✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
i was told it is an ultimateHlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
i do not play a dragonight, i do not know the names of those skills, nor do i care to know the names of those skills, i know the effects of those skills so i commented on those effects.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »
dragonights have a skill that can make them recieve healing from any damage done to them while at the same time damage the person increasingly as he tires to fight the dragonight. we nightblades dont have any skill like that, these type of skills the dragonights have are not shared by other classes and is out of balance with the rest of the other classes.
What skill is that?
No such skill. Don't know what the hell you are talking about.
I don't know of an ultimate that does that either.Retired.
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✭✭✭✭DKs have 2 options: be tough to kill (you know, a TANK style build) or have dps. It's almost impossible to actually have both. If a DK is laying down major dps, he's just as easy to kill as any other DPSer. If he is taking tiny damage, then he isn't going to DPS for *** (I am one of those REALLY tanky DKs and my DPS sucks donkey wangs). If he tries to hybridize, he's going to run out of magicka/stamina so fast that he really won't be effective. So, instead of whining how impossible it is to kill a DK, pay attention to what he is doing and actually USE FRAKKING STRATEGY to kill him instead of just 1-3-1-4-1-3-1-4 over and over! I die often enough, even with a tanky build, and I have a heck of a time killing anyone, unless they ARE falling into the rinse-repeat cycle of attacking me...then I simply can use what skills I have to smack them down and pummel them with light attacks until they die (and yes, that's typically the way I end up killing stupid NBs and Sorcs...Templars are the only ones who seemingly have HAD to learn how to fight and are good at changing their styles of combat, and therefore give me serious challenge when battling.
DK with max mag and max mag/regen and max spell power (510 lava whip...). 1700 stam with 90 stam regen. Running 5l/2m with harness magicka and volatile armor alway on ... 2450 armor
Yup a DK can be a tank and a dps a the same time (in pvp)
What armor set/build is this?Edited by Armitas on September 24, 2014 2:26PMRetired.
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