At least you have the curse and endless fury. A caster NB has funnel health, and that's a projectile too.

ZOS needs to take a look at the number of ways people damage each other from range in PvP, and then check how many % of those a single ability blocks/reflects. I bet scales reflect good 80% of the ranged abilities used in PvP. Even those it has no business reflecting according to it's tooltip (a 'thrown dagger' is a 'magical projectile' - really?)

The explosion from mages fury is considered a projectile therefore hindering even more sorcs from beating dk's. I really dont understand their logic...an explosion considered as projectile. ZoS should put their ducks in a row because at the moment in order to kill a dk you must either be lucky to catch them off guard and without blocking or you need 4-5 people to beat them down.
I doubt this is considered balanced. Something must be done about the dk and plz dont take this as a cry for nerf.

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

So basically as a spell Sorc the answer is "not much."

I appreciate the suggestion, and the 1H/Shield reflect might help some, but honestly I can't see myself swapping out my staff for a stamina set any time I see a DK.

I am still a little bit dubious as to what they consider "projectiles" as well.

Oh well, can't PVP without crashing anyway so I'll just forget about it.

I'll admit I'm no expert, but If you're using almost entirely class skills, is there any downside to equipping an S&B over a destro staff? IIRC destro staff passives only affect staff skills anyways. S&B gives you an extra item slot for an additional enchantment & extra set bonus slot. Even if shield reflect is the only stamina skill you use, so? You don't really need the staff anyways. And heck, anybody can take advantage of cheaper/better blocking

i guess thats when YOU spam BE.

Aoe is what I would suggest, use curse and use volatile familiar to explode and stun and hopefully get frag proc so you can get him during stun. Or use the streak through him and frag trick but just make sure it's insta frag and he hasn't used scales recentl so the disorient is worth it

When I encounter Reflective Scales DKs I just use Velocious Curse + heavy attacks or switch to healing mode, and let melee kill him. If it's 1 vs 1 it's time to bolt away...you can't win if they don't mess up.

Horrum wrote: »

Lorgend wrote: »

erm and am i having illusions or i see a SORC complaining about the other classes?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah, my thoughts as well lol. I have a DK, a Sorcerer and a NB (she is low level though).

While your DK can shut down ALL ( not just sorcerers ) ranged classes, you should just keep your mouth shut and keep the reply count low in threads like this, so devs don't suddenly realize how messed up Reflective Scales really is.

I have said this several times already, but if Sorcerers had a shield that would reflect all fire damage back to attacker, all DKs would either commit a suicide or rage quit. Now imagine if it would reflect all melee range damage, and maybe even you can understand how stupendously powerful Reflective Scales is.

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

inspiral1 wrote: »

i guess thats when YOU spam BE.

You can't spam BE thanks to the mana cost/regen nerf. Reflective Scales is a low-cost, no-penalty skill DK's CAN spam.

Besides, the only thing BE is good for against a blocking DK is RUNNING AWAY.

oh give up you can spam BE i have a vet 7 sorc its lies

BUT YES REFLECTIVE SCALES is utter BS, stupidly OP

its an OP bubble against weapon and spell attacks and an utter joke, NERF it!

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Ah. Then it must be the lightning bolt from Endless Fury that they consider a "projectile."

You are correct. (It's completely stupid that they have it this way, but still correct). Same with Force Shock/Crushing shock. I have difficulty seeing this as a projectile either.

Curse seems to be the way to go and try to use slip ups in the DK's timing, if you can.

They problem with this sort of thing is the lack of ability to change out skills once in combat.

Most people effectively have their set of 10 +2 predefined for a certain encounter. Run into something different (as OP indicates) and things get downright difficult.

This is a case of L2P and QQ. seriously the reflect has not worked for months and they just *supposedly* fixed it. If NBs had not been horribly mutilated with 1.4 *patch* they would be rolling you.

I have been playing my DK since early access and only just started using reflect again because everyone and their mother is suddenly a master bowmen, crystal shards+snipe, javelin+snipe+venom arrow,... Despite the fact that most of what i reflect does not appear to be doing damage and appears to be a waste of at least 1 skill point. DKs do not have mobility, no invasion does not count, not sorry that you do not know enough about your skills to fight DKs. Most DKs are killed by Sorcs (ones I have talked to and compared stats with, such as KillCounter) so you are clearly not doing it right.

So what I see here is you cannot one/two shot DKs with sorc skills and you get squished because you have the survivability of a small child due to your glass cannon build not working.

Try using some of those other skills, everyone always brings out the "DK killed me"....
...QQ...nerf Dragons Blood (only returns 30% of what is *missing* health, spam to 100% == no resources, not even sure it is possible to actually get to 100% via dragons blood alone)
...QQ...nerf reflective scale (very funny when it was not even working, try the vast number of non-projectle abitlies...like resto attack, sword, impulse, you know use other *skills*)
...QQ...nerf Banner (its soooo hard to roll out of, funny roll gets you out of talons too)
...QQ...nerf Talons (CC lock is called...*out of stam*)
...QQ...nerf DKs cause they hurt my feelings

if as a sorc you are going to stand there in light armor with crystal shards and toe-to-toe a DK then your are not even worth a teabag after he or she rolls you.

If a DK is spamming reflect it is because a brilliant sorc is targeting him with crystal shards/snipe; it is only cost effective as an offense skill (mostly as a distraction), using it purely defense is only viable when not in direct combat, such as at bottom of wall. I pop reflect in battle only when i detect arrows/shards/stonefists, but keeping it up in battle will quickly mean i have no mag for dragons blood, or other more useful skills.

To reiterate...try learning a little more about the class. I suggest playing one for a while. No, DK is not the easy button, but I love it that people think and say that as those DKs are the ones that go down faster than a stunned NB. The real DKs are in the front fighting, the *easy button* DKs wear dresses and try to be sorcs/NBs and are there to complete our "Kill enemy DK" quests in minutes.

GunemCleric wrote: »

This is a case of L2P and QQ. seriously the reflect has not worked for months and they just *supposedly* fixed it. If NBs had not been horribly mutilated with 1.4 *patch* they would be rolling you.

I have been playing my DK since early access and only just started using reflect again because everyone and their mother is suddenly a master bowmen, crystal shards+snipe, javelin+snipe+venom arrow,... Despite the fact that most of what i reflect does not appear to be doing damage and appears to be a waste of at least 1 skill point. DKs do not have mobility, no invasion does not count, not sorry that you do not know enough about your skills to fight DKs. Most DKs are killed by Sorcs (ones I have talked to and compared stats with, such as KillCounter) so you are clearly not doing it right.

So what I see here is you cannot one/two shot DKs with sorc skills and you get squished because you have the survivability of a small child due to your glass cannon build not working.

Try using some of those other skills, everyone always brings out the "DK killed me"....
...QQ...nerf Dragons Blood (only returns 30% of what is *missing* health, spam to 100% == no resources, not even sure it is possible to actually get to 100% via dragons blood alone)
...QQ...nerf reflective scale (very funny when it was not even working, try the vast number of non-projectle abitlies...like resto attack, sword, impulse, you know use other *skills*)
...QQ...nerf Banner (its soooo hard to roll out of, funny roll gets you out of talons too)
...QQ...nerf Talons (CC lock is called...*out of stam*)
...QQ...nerf DKs cause they hurt my feelings

if as a sorc you are going to stand there in light armor with crystal shards and toe-to-toe a DK then your are not even worth a teabag after he or she rolls you.

If a DK is spamming reflect it is because a brilliant sorc is targeting him with crystal shards/snipe; it is only cost effective as an offense skill (mostly as a distraction), using it purely defense is only viable when not in direct combat, such as at bottom of wall. I pop reflect in battle only when i detect arrows/shards/stonefists, but keeping it up in battle will quickly mean i have no mag for dragons blood, or other more useful skills.

To reiterate...try learning a little more about the class. I suggest playing one for a while. No, DK is not the easy button, but I love it that people think and say that as those DKs are the ones that go down faster than a stunned NB. The real DKs are in the front fighting, the *easy button* DKs wear dresses and try to be sorcs/NBs and are there to complete our "Kill enemy DK" quests in minutes.

Please tell me how the *** this is a QQ thread. Hr came here asking for advice to defeat a certain build, he did no use.the word nerf at all. In fact it seems like the complete opposite of a QQ thread its a "I'm trying to learn something" thread. Read the OP next time.

They need to fix the reflection of the explosion from Endless Fury. An explosion is not a projectile. They introduced this bug when they tried to fix the magicka return.

Velocious Curse has some issues. The most serious is that it can get overwritten on the target by another Sorc. So if I cast it on a DK and after 2-3 secs another Sorc applies it, it overwrites mine and the explosion will now be 3.5" after the last cast. My damage has been "purged" basically. No other class skill has that issue. Time effects like Vampire's Bane, Unstable Flame, Crippling Grasp...they can all stack from multiple players. They seriously need to reconsider this.

Other than that, I wish it would would explode a lot quicker and I'd be willing to get lower damage as a trade-off, but that's more of a wish than a necessity

I use 1H/Shield on my Sorc and let me tell you it's beast mode.

My 2nd weapon is either one of the staves or a bow. 1H/Shield is a great counter however and then put on lightning form. Watch the splash damage do some work while you both rub shields together and put lotion on them, then whisper sweet nothings in each other's ears. Wait..what?