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Should ZOS ban players who use exploits?

  • heyguyslol
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    Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.
    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    I have recorded footage of two players using the same exploit and nothing has been done to them and they still continue to play and use the exploit. Furthermore I have seen two other players youtube videos of these same players I reported also using the same exploit. I find it frustrating that 3 ppl have these same players recorded on video using an in game exploit all of which were sent to zos and zos continues to allow them to play.

    I have watched your videos of the alleged "mistform" exploit.
    Nothing in your video will indicate the player is abusing mistform.
    I see a problem with how you are going about all this.
    In fact by your own words:
    "As I was live streaming this my viewers informed me about an exploit using the Vampire ability "Mist Form" which is giving players a perma 75% damage reduction which explains why these players were literally taking no damage at all. I do not know how to get the exploit to work but I have seen this behavior before when playing and on another live stream that I watch. "

    "You heard from so and so that..." This is not good enough and is conjecture. More importantly you don't see it in the video. Clearly something is "strange." That's for sure.

    You have allegedly 2500 Magicka and 130 Spell Damage. Even if they were taking 75% reduced damage, you would see that clown's Health dropping. Even with shield spells and self heals, there is no way possible he would be taking 0 damage. You should be seeing some moving of his Health bar. Something is definitely rotten.

    You said it's the same few guys being accused of said exploit and other people are reporting them. Sounds like a few guys either hacked the game or found a serious loophole. Either way, I would be careful about naming Mistform as the culprit. I would also be careful in calling them hackers as some bugs just happen to accounts and players can't do anything about it.

    An example is my friend who for the entire month of May got to run around on foot faster than a horse with Retreating Maneuvers. He wasn't hacking and he wasn't making this happen. And no I am not talking about sneaking with Night's Silence and Dark Stalker, I know the difference and that was never faster than a horse + Retreating Maneuvers. ;)

    That said, while it does appear like cheaters, there is a chance they are just glitched. Even though they are probably turds who need a ban, there is no evidence. ESO is that buggy :(

    Also just an FYI, they do ban cheaters. I know several who got banned for cheating in Cyrodiil. Especially the one dickbag who was running around and hitting people for like 7k or something silly with a 2h. I can't remember his name but it was all over reddit and other social media. Also I saw several get banned over duping.

    Don't worry, if enough people report these guys, they will be investigated.

    I dont see anything wrong with the way im going about this and yes I can't confirm for sure that it is in fact related to mist form, i stated that alrdy but many others have confirmed it, just cuz i was unable to : P doesnt mean thats not the problem.

    And no they are not investigating because as I said two other players recorded these same players exploiting and over a month later they are still playing and exploiting. stop defending them : P YOur post makes me wonder what u do in the game. Generally players who dont cheat and use exploits me for example have no problems with a harsh punishment for those who do whether its a suspension or perma ban. Getting rid of the trash allows players who dont want to cheat to actually enjoy the game play.

    You are really quick to get defensive.

    First off, you are accusing someone with 0 proof. Grats, you made a video... that doesn't mean squat. You don't know whether they are legitimately hacking, using an exploit or are bugged. I don't take word of mouth as empirical evidence as you clearly do. That just doesn't cut it.

    Actually I have not seen anyone confirm as verifiable fact that mistform is the culprit. IF it was the case you would simply redirect me to the "confirmed" information. Word of mouth is useless and this all you are offering. I would be sorely disappointed if a gaming company like ZOS danced and jumped through hoops everytime someone cried "foul" or "hacks."

    My post makes you wonder what I do in game? Maybe you should take a deep breath and reconsider what has been said.

    I did not defend hacking, I simply pointing out you don't know what is going on, nor do you have any proof. Furthermore all the evidence you have other than a 1 minute clip is hearsay and easily dismissible. Lastly you don't know what ZOS has done or not done as they have not said anything.

    I dealt with you fairly and respectful. You attacking my character and implying I might be a cheater is petty and childish.

    ok i got your number now u just want to troll point made i wont respond to u further.

    /added to ignore
    Edited by heyguyslol on September 22, 2014 1:04AM
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  • Xael
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    heyguyslol wrote: »
    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    I have recorded footage of two players using the same exploit and nothing has been done to them and they still continue to play and use the exploit. Furthermore I have seen two other players youtube videos of these same players I reported also using the same exploit. I find it frustrating that 3 ppl have these same players recorded on video using an in game exploit all of which were sent to zos and zos continues to allow them to play.

    I have watched your videos of the alleged "mistform" exploit.
    Nothing in your video will indicate the player is abusing mistform.
    I see a problem with how you are going about all this.
    In fact by your own words:
    "As I was live streaming this my viewers informed me about an exploit using the Vampire ability "Mist Form" which is giving players a perma 75% damage reduction which explains why these players were literally taking no damage at all. I do not know how to get the exploit to work but I have seen this behavior before when playing and on another live stream that I watch. "

    "You heard from so and so that..." This is not good enough and is conjecture. More importantly you don't see it in the video. Clearly something is "strange." That's for sure.

    You have allegedly 2500 Magicka and 130 Spell Damage. Even if they were taking 75% reduced damage, you would see that clown's Health dropping. Even with shield spells and self heals, there is no way possible he would be taking 0 damage. You should be seeing some moving of his Health bar. Something is definitely rotten.

    You said it's the same few guys being accused of said exploit and other people are reporting them. Sounds like a few guys either hacked the game or found a serious loophole. Either way, I would be careful about naming Mistform as the culprit. I would also be careful in calling them hackers as some bugs just happen to accounts and players can't do anything about it.

    An example is my friend who for the entire month of May got to run around on foot faster than a horse with Retreating Maneuvers. He wasn't hacking and he wasn't making this happen. And no I am not talking about sneaking with Night's Silence and Dark Stalker, I know the difference and that was never faster than a horse + Retreating Maneuvers. ;)

    That said, while it does appear like cheaters, there is a chance they are just glitched. Even though they are probably turds who need a ban, there is no evidence. ESO is that buggy :(

    Also just an FYI, they do ban cheaters. I know several who got banned for cheating in Cyrodiil. Especially the one dickbag who was running around and hitting people for like 7k or something silly with a 2h. I can't remember his name but it was all over reddit and other social media. Also I saw several get banned over duping.

    Don't worry, if enough people report these guys, they will be investigated.

    I dont see anything wrong with the way im going about this and yes I can't confirm for sure that it is in fact related to mist form, i stated that alrdy but many others have confirmed it, just cuz i was unable to : P doesnt mean thats not the problem.

    And no they are not investigating because as I said two other players recorded these same players exploiting and over a month later they are still playing and exploiting. stop defending them : P YOur post makes me wonder what u do in the game. Generally players who dont cheat and use exploits me for example have no problems with a harsh punishment for those who do whether its a suspension or perma ban. Getting rid of the trash allows players who dont want to cheat to actually enjoy the game play.

    You are really quick to get defensive.

    First off, you are accusing someone with 0 proof. Grats, you made a video... that doesn't mean squat. You don't know whether they are legitimately hacking, using an exploit or are bugged. I don't take word of mouth as empirical evidence as you clearly do. That just doesn't cut it.

    Actually I have not seen anyone confirm as verifiable fact that mistform is the culprit. IF it was the case you would simply redirect me to the "confirmed" information. Word of mouth is useless and this all you are offering. I would be sorely disappointed if a gaming company like ZOS danced and jumped through hoops everytime someone cried "foul" or "hacks."

    My post makes you wonder what I do in game? Maybe you should take a deep breath and reconsider what has been said.

    I did not defend hacking, I simply pointing out you don't know what is going on, nor do you have any proof. Furthermore all the evidence you have other than a 1 minute clip is hearsay and easily dismissible. Lastly you don't know what ZOS has done or not done as they have not said anything.

    I dealt with you fairly and respectful. You attacking my character and implying I might be a cheater is petty and childish.

    ok i got your number now u just want to troll point made i wont respond to u further.

    You got my number and I am trolling? I seriously question your ability to comprehend the written word. You are clearly in no condition to judge matters...
    I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...
  • tplink3r1
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    No, Zos should let players play how they want.
    no, just fix them.
    My blazing shield often hits for 2k+ damage and i would get banned for that.
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  • Xael
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    heyguyslol wrote: »


    /added to ignore
    Post edited by heyguyslol at 9:04PM

    Case in point.
    I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...
  • ers101284b14_ESO
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    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »


    /added to ignore
    Post edited by heyguyslol at 9:04PM

    Case in point.

    Give it up Xael. He got owned in PVP, he got owned in the forums. Let him have his QQ and just move on.
  • bosmern_ESO
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    Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.
    Well I think a perm ban right away would be a bit to 'dramatic'

    If a player is exploiting something in PvP that wasn't intended they should get a warning from a GM, If they continue doing it, they should get a temp ban from Cyrodiil for 5-10 days. If they go back and continue doing it they should be banned until the campaign ends or all together.
    ~Thallen~
  • heyguyslol
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    Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.
    tplink3r1 wrote: »
    no, just fix them.
    My blazing shield often hits for 2k+ damage and i would get banned for that.

    You have a good point but if it is an exploit that obviously we all know about including zos, why has zos not fixed it? so is it an exploit or working as intended?
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  • heyguyslol
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    Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.
    Well I think a perm ban right away would be a bit to 'dramatic'

    If a player is exploiting something in PvP that wasn't intended they should get a warning from a GM, If they continue doing it, they should get a temp ban from Cyrodiil for 5-10 days. If they go back and continue doing it they should be banned until the campaign ends or all together.

    Sounds fair to me. It just doesn't seem that they are doing anything remotely like this tho.
    Edited by heyguyslol on September 22, 2014 1:23AM
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  • Sapphy24
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    How can you ban someone from using an exploit when ZoS itself tell you to "exploit" .
  • heyguyslol
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    Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.
    Sapphy24 wrote: »
    How can you ban someone from using an exploit when ZoS itself tell you to "exploit" .

    lol
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  • Xael
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    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »


    /added to ignore
    Post edited by heyguyslol at 9:04PM

    Case in point.

    Give it up Xael. He got owned in PVP, he got owned in the forums. Let him have his QQ and just move on.

    No worries.
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    tplink3r1 wrote: »
    no, just fix them.
    My blazing shield often hits for 2k+ damage and i would get banned for that.

    You have a good point but if it is an exploit that obviously we all know about including zos, why has zos not fixed it? so is it an exploit or working as intended?


    LOL at this guys definition of "exploit" and "we all know."
    So now Blazing Shield is an exploit and we all know this?
    Talk about going off the rails...
    The only thing this guy has proven time again is that he quick to call exploit and doesn't know anything.
    I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...
  • starkerealm
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    No, Zos should let players play how they want.
    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    Xael wrote: »
    heyguyslol wrote: »
    I have recorded footage of two players using the same exploit and nothing has been done to them and they still continue to play and use the exploit. Furthermore I have seen two other players youtube videos of these same players I reported also using the same exploit. I find it frustrating that 3 ppl have these same players recorded on video using an in game exploit all of which were sent to zos and zos continues to allow them to play.

    I have watched your videos of the alleged "mistform" exploit.
    Nothing in your video will indicate the player is abusing mistform.
    I see a problem with how you are going about all this.
    In fact by your own words:
    "As I was live streaming this my viewers informed me about an exploit using the Vampire ability "Mist Form" which is giving players a perma 75% damage reduction which explains why these players were literally taking no damage at all. I do not know how to get the exploit to work but I have seen this behavior before when playing and on another live stream that I watch. "

    "You heard from so and so that..." This is not good enough and is conjecture. More importantly you don't see it in the video. Clearly something is "strange." That's for sure.

    You have allegedly 2500 Magicka and 130 Spell Damage. Even if they were taking 75% reduced damage, you would see that clown's Health dropping. Even with shield spells and self heals, there is no way possible he would be taking 0 damage. You should be seeing some moving of his Health bar. Something is definitely rotten.

    You said it's the same few guys being accused of said exploit and other people are reporting them. Sounds like a few guys either hacked the game or found a serious loophole. Either way, I would be careful about naming Mistform as the culprit. I would also be careful in calling them hackers as some bugs just happen to accounts and players can't do anything about it.

    An example is my friend who for the entire month of May got to run around on foot faster than a horse with Retreating Maneuvers. He wasn't hacking and he wasn't making this happen. And no I am not talking about sneaking with Night's Silence and Dark Stalker, I know the difference and that was never faster than a horse + Retreating Maneuvers. ;)

    That said, while it does appear like cheaters, there is a chance they are just glitched. Even though they are probably turds who need a ban, there is no evidence. ESO is that buggy :(

    Also just an FYI, they do ban cheaters. I know several who got banned for cheating in Cyrodiil. Especially the one dickbag who was running around and hitting people for like 7k or something silly with a 2h. I can't remember his name but it was all over reddit and other social media. Also I saw several get banned over duping.

    Don't worry, if enough people report these guys, they will be investigated.

    I dont see anything wrong with the way im going about this and yes I can't confirm for sure that it is in fact related to mist form, i stated that alrdy but many others have confirmed it, just cuz i was unable to : P doesnt mean thats not the problem.

    And no they are not investigating because as I said two other players recorded these same players exploiting and over a month later they are still playing and exploiting. stop defending them : P YOur post makes me wonder what u do in the game. Generally players who dont cheat and use exploits me for example have no problems with a harsh punishment for those who do whether its a suspension or perma ban. Getting rid of the trash allows players who dont want to cheat to actually enjoy the game play.

    You are really quick to get defensive.

    First off, you are accusing someone with 0 proof. Grats, you made a video... that doesn't mean squat. You don't know whether they are legitimately hacking, using an exploit or are bugged. I don't take word of mouth as empirical evidence as you clearly do. That just doesn't cut it.

    Actually I have not seen anyone confirm as verifiable fact that mistform is the culprit. IF it was the case you would simply redirect me to the "confirmed" information. Word of mouth is useless and this all you are offering. I would be sorely disappointed if a gaming company like ZOS danced and jumped through hoops everytime someone cried "foul" or "hacks."

    My post makes you wonder what I do in game? Maybe you should take a deep breath and reconsider what has been said.

    I did not defend hacking, I simply pointing out you don't know what is going on, nor do you have any proof. Furthermore all the evidence you have other than a 1 minute clip is hearsay and easily dismissible. Lastly you don't know what ZOS has done or not done as they have not said anything.

    I dealt with you fairly and respectful. You attacking my character and implying I might be a cheater is petty and childish.

    ok i got your number now u just want to troll point made i wont respond to u further.

    You got my number and I am trolling? I seriously question your ability to comprehend the written word. You are clearly in no condition to judge matters...

    Well, capitalization, punctuation, and the inability to spell "you" with more than one letter certainly lends a bit of credence to your idea... :p
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