Should ZOS ban players who use exploits?

heyguyslol

Ok for some time now I've seen many videos and created a few my self of players who have been and continue to use in game exploits (mostly in pvp btw). My question is should these players be allowed to continue to play ESO or should they be banned? Obviously if they are banned they can buy another account but at least they will be forced to start over as a worst case scenario.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Kind of a limited poll.

AlexDougherty

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

Provided it's a clear cut case, and ZOS have previously warned them, then yes they should ban players who use exploits.

But not if it's not obvious, which some of them aren't.
Of course, if ZOS tell you it's an exploit, then it's obvious, because they told you it was.

heyguyslol

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Kind of a limited poll.

Well its pretty much a Yes or No question, only added no opinion for players who just dont care in general.

Nox_Aeterna

No, Zos should let players play how they want.

Unless it can be perfectly proven guilt , then they shouldnt ban anyone.

If they implement a system THAT ACTUALLY WORKS (trully important to remark this with zen since they think just adding things that dont work counts) to warn the player first and after that the player continues , then ok.

AlexDougherty

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Unless it can be perfectly proven guilt , then they shouldnt ban anyone.

If they implement a system THAT ACTUALLY WORKS (trully important to remark this with zen since they think just adding things that dont work counts) to warn the player first and after that the player continues , then ok.

Pretty much what I was saying, but from the opposite side.

Gilvoth

the should not ban them but instead STRIP them of all the rewards Including any and all titles they have recived in the alliance war and take thier character levels away as well.

edit: and only do this IF they are proven completly guilty with alot of evidence.

heyguyslol

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

I have recorded footage of two players using the same exploit and nothing has been done to them and they still continue to play and use the exploit. Furthermore I have seen two other players youtube videos of these same players I reported also using the same exploit. I find it frustrating that 3 ppl have these same players recorded on video using an in game exploit all of which were sent to zos and zos continues to allow them to play.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Yea ZOS is glacially slow to ban players for pvp stuff.

Ad gets trollcamped constantly on thornblade, and we have to collectively all report the person, over and over to see it stop or slow down (presumably because of warnings or bans)

Nox_Aeterna

No, Zos should let players play how they want.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Unless it can be perfectly proven guilt , then they shouldnt ban anyone.

If they implement a system THAT ACTUALLY WORKS (trully important to remark this with zen since they think just adding things that dont work counts) to warn the player first and after that the player continues , then ok.

Pretty much what I was saying, but from the opposite side.

Yeah :P , but i prefer to stay on the safe side when it comes to zen messing up with bans , so i went with a no.

heyguyslol

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

tbh I think the only reason they have not banned players for exploiting is cuz they are starving for subs and banning players just reduces their income that much more. But how many players have quit because they continue to allows these exploiters to stay?

Elsonso

No opinion

I am curious what exploits people have in mind when they answer this poll.

heyguyslol

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

lordrichter wrote: »

I am curious what exploits people have in mind when they answer this poll.

I would post my video of one of the more notorious exploits in eso pvp right now but it will get deleted by the mods. However if u go to my live stream page u can watch the highlight video of the Vampire Mist Form exploit. My live stream link is down below.

Probitas

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

Does this question really need to be asked? If someone is caught cheating in any other competition they are usually warned once then tossed, sometimes tossed immediately. Of course cheating should be an offense that gets you banned, once proven either during or after the fact. If after the fact then anything they were credited with, and anyone involved who benefited should have those rewards removed/stricken. If this can't be done, then wipe said characters. Sounds harsh, I know, but this kind of threat would prevent most cheating, or hanging around with known cheaters, as people would not want to get caught in the crossfire.

Lettigall

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

While exploits are "grey area" there will be no bans. After 6 months in PvP I even doesn't bother to report exploiters, it have same effect as you report to the brick wall.

In best case scenario they will gather information and fix exploit in next patch but until then it's allowed to use.

I hope zos will change their policy and this game won't become exploit 2 win.

smacx250

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Provided it's a clear cut case, and ZOS have previously warned them, then yes they should ban players who use exploits.

But not if it's not obvious, which some of them aren't.
Of course, if ZOS tell you it's an exploit, then it's obvious, because they told you it was.

This ^

Arsenic_Touch

Should they? yes. Will they? no. Pretty much the typical response from them is "it's a grey area"

Braidas

heyguyslol wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Kind of a limited poll.

Well its pretty much a Yes or No question, only added no opinion for players who just dont care in general.

it's rlly not tho...

OrangeTheCat

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

As long as ZOS issues warnings before bans, then yes.

Probitas

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

The only way cheating could be defined as a grey area is if they get paid to let it slide. Maybe there is more exploiting going on than is known.

heyguyslol

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

Lettigall wrote: »

While exploits are "grey area" there will be no bans. After 6 months in PvP I even doesn't bother to report exploiters, it have same effect as you report to the brick wall.

In best case scenario they will gather information and fix exploit in next patch but until then it's allowed to use.

I hope zos will change their policy and this game won't become exploit 2 win.

2 late

Vampire Mist Form exploit
Blazing Shield exploit
Whitestrakes set exploit
the list goes on and on

Probitas

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

I think a better question is, should players continue to pay Z because of exploits?

Srugzal

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Kind of a limited poll.

Kind of a stupid poll, actually, since "using exploits" is already a bannable offence, as indicated in the TOS.

However, I think that what the OP means is should exploits as decided by vocal complainers on these forums be bannable.

Surely I'm not the first one to point this out...

MercyKilling

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

lordrichter wrote: »

I am curious what exploits people have in mind when they answer this poll.

Why...the very definition of the word exploit as applied to gaming, to wit:

"the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers".

It's also very important to remember that players do not determine what an exploit is, but the game developers do in most all cases. Perhaps the only case where a player can legitimately say "that's an exploit" is when a clear abuse of a game bug is used for personal gain by another player.

Xael

heyguyslol wrote: »

I have recorded footage of two players using the same exploit and nothing has been done to them and they still continue to play and use the exploit. Furthermore I have seen two other players youtube videos of these same players I reported also using the same exploit. I find it frustrating that 3 ppl have these same players recorded on video using an in game exploit all of which were sent to zos and zos continues to allow them to play.

I have watched your videos of the alleged "mistform" exploit.
Nothing in your video will indicate the player is abusing mistform.
I see a problem with how you are going about all this.
In fact by your own words:
"As I was live streaming this my viewers informed me about an exploit using the Vampire ability "Mist Form" which is giving players a perma 75% damage reduction which explains why these players were literally taking no damage at all. I do not know how to get the exploit to work but I have seen this behavior before when playing and on another live stream that I watch. "

"You heard from so and so that..." This is not good enough and is conjecture. More importantly you don't see it in the video. Clearly something is "strange." That's for sure.

You have allegedly 2500 Magicka and 130 Spell Damage. Even if they were taking 75% reduced damage, you would see that clown's Health dropping. Even with shield spells and self heals, there is no way possible he would be taking 0 damage. You should be seeing some moving of his Health bar. Something is definitely rotten.

You said it's the same few guys being accused of said exploit and other people are reporting them. Sounds like a few guys either hacked the game or found a serious loophole. Either way, I would be careful about naming Mistform as the culprit. I would also be careful in calling them hackers as some bugs just happen to accounts and players can't do anything about it.

An example is my friend who for the entire month of May got to run around on foot faster than a horse with Retreating Maneuvers. He wasn't hacking and he wasn't making this happen. And no I am not talking about sneaking with Night's Silence and Dark Stalker, I know the difference and that was never faster than a horse + Retreating Maneuvers.

That said, while it does appear like cheaters, there is a chance they are just glitched. Even though they are probably turds who need a ban, there is no evidence. ESO is that buggy

Also just an FYI, they do ban cheaters. I know several who got banned for cheating in Cyrodiil. Especially the one dickbag who was running around and hitting people for like 7k or something silly with a 2h. I can't remember his name but it was all over reddit and other social media. Also I saw several get banned over duping.

Don't worry, if enough people report these guys, they will be investigated.

Xael

Btw, I like the way your UI looks. Very clean. Which ones are you using?

indigoblades

No, Zos should let players play how they want.

No, its impossible to say whats an exploit and whats just maximizing your character. Players cheating should be banned. If ZOS game mechanics gives some players unfair advantages.... It is up to ZOS to change the game mechanics.

heyguyslol

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

Xael wrote: »

heyguyslol wrote: »

I have recorded footage of two players using the same exploit and nothing has been done to them and they still continue to play and use the exploit. Furthermore I have seen two other players youtube videos of these same players I reported also using the same exploit. I find it frustrating that 3 ppl have these same players recorded on video using an in game exploit all of which were sent to zos and zos continues to allow them to play.

I have watched your videos of the alleged "mistform" exploit.
Nothing in your video will indicate the player is abusing mistform.
I see a problem with how you are going about all this.
In fact by your own words:
"As I was live streaming this my viewers informed me about an exploit using the Vampire ability "Mist Form" which is giving players a perma 75% damage reduction which explains why these players were literally taking no damage at all. I do not know how to get the exploit to work but I have seen this behavior before when playing and on another live stream that I watch. "

"You heard from so and so that..." This is not good enough and is conjecture. More importantly you don't see it in the video. Clearly something is "strange." That's for sure.

You have allegedly 2500 Magicka and 130 Spell Damage. Even if they were taking 75% reduced damage, you would see that clown's Health dropping. Even with shield spells and self heals, there is no way possible he would be taking 0 damage. You should be seeing some moving of his Health bar. Something is definitely rotten.

You said it's the same few guys being accused of said exploit and other people are reporting them. Sounds like a few guys either hacked the game or found a serious loophole. Either way, I would be careful about naming Mistform as the culprit. I would also be careful in calling them hackers as some bugs just happen to accounts and players can't do anything about it.

An example is my friend who for the entire month of May got to run around on foot faster than a horse with Retreating Maneuvers. He wasn't hacking and he wasn't making this happen. And no I am not talking about sneaking with Night's Silence and Dark Stalker, I know the difference and that was never faster than a horse + Retreating Maneuvers.

That said, while it does appear like cheaters, there is a chance they are just glitched. Even though they are probably turds who need a ban, there is no evidence. ESO is that buggy

Also just an FYI, they do ban cheaters. I know several who got banned for cheating in Cyrodiil. Especially the one dickbag who was running around and hitting people for like 7k or something silly with a 2h. I can't remember his name but it was all over reddit and other social media. Also I saw several get banned over duping.

Don't worry, if enough people report these guys, they will be investigated.

I dont see anything wrong with the way im going about this and yes I can't confirm for sure that it is in fact related to mist form, i stated that alrdy but many others have confirmed it, just cuz i was unable to : P doesnt mean thats not the problem.

And no they are not investigating because as I said two other players recorded these same players exploiting and over a month later they are still playing and exploiting. stop defending them : P YOur post makes me wonder what u do in the game. Generally players who dont cheat and use exploits me for example have no problems with a harsh punishment for those who do whether its a suspension or perma ban. Getting rid of the trash allows players who dont want to cheat to actually enjoy the game play.

starkerealm

No, Zos should let players play how they want.

Yeah, because ZoS has never changed their mind about if something is an exploit or not.

They've never explicitly told us, "no, this isn't an exploit, it's intended behavior," only to come back and ban everyone a week later because, "no, it's actually an exploit, we changed our mind."

No, they just broke our armor instead, calling it an "unintended interaction..." right. And under your regime, anyone who was wearing Night's Silence last week would have gotten handed a ban, not just the people who were speed stacking vampires, because they broke the armor set for everyone.

But, yeah, hey, it's cool, I can always just buy a new copy of the game. I mean, ---- the explorer pack, the pets, the character names, the imperial edition upgrade, the rare motifs I've managed to get, the fully upgraded horses, the 6 and 7 trait crafter... yeah, that's all stuff I should reasonably lose because I looked at a gear set and thought, "that looks interesting."

heyguyslol

Yes, Zos should ban players using exploits.

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, because ZoS has never changed their mind about if something is an exploit or not.

They've never explicitly told us, "no, this isn't an exploit, it's intended behavior," only to come back and ban everyone a week later because, "no, it's actually an exploit, we changed our mind."

No, they just broke our armor instead, calling it an "unintended interaction..." right. And under your regime, anyone who was wearing Night's Silence last week would have gotten handed a ban, not just the people who were speed stacking vampires, because they broke the armor set for everyone.

But, yeah, hey, it's cool, I can always just buy a new copy of the game. I mean, ---- the explorer pack, the pets, the character names, the imperial edition upgrade, the rare motifs I've managed to get, the fully upgraded horses, the 6 and 7 trait crafter... yeah, that's all stuff I should reasonably lose because I looked at a gear set and thought, "that looks interesting."

Im a sorc and imo the night silence set was not an exploit and should have nvr been broken. Its a contradiction to break a set that stacks with other passives when nearly all the gear in the game stacks with passives as well. What they should have done is reduced night silence set to say 30% down from 60% but instead they broke it.

Xael

heyguyslol wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

heyguyslol wrote: »

I have recorded footage of two players using the same exploit and nothing has been done to them and they still continue to play and use the exploit. Furthermore I have seen two other players youtube videos of these same players I reported also using the same exploit. I find it frustrating that 3 ppl have these same players recorded on video using an in game exploit all of which were sent to zos and zos continues to allow them to play.

I have watched your videos of the alleged "mistform" exploit.
Nothing in your video will indicate the player is abusing mistform.
I see a problem with how you are going about all this.
In fact by your own words:
"As I was live streaming this my viewers informed me about an exploit using the Vampire ability "Mist Form" which is giving players a perma 75% damage reduction which explains why these players were literally taking no damage at all. I do not know how to get the exploit to work but I have seen this behavior before when playing and on another live stream that I watch. "

"You heard from so and so that..." This is not good enough and is conjecture. More importantly you don't see it in the video. Clearly something is "strange." That's for sure.

You have allegedly 2500 Magicka and 130 Spell Damage. Even if they were taking 75% reduced damage, you would see that clown's Health dropping. Even with shield spells and self heals, there is no way possible he would be taking 0 damage. You should be seeing some moving of his Health bar. Something is definitely rotten.

You said it's the same few guys being accused of said exploit and other people are reporting them. Sounds like a few guys either hacked the game or found a serious loophole. Either way, I would be careful about naming Mistform as the culprit. I would also be careful in calling them hackers as some bugs just happen to accounts and players can't do anything about it.

An example is my friend who for the entire month of May got to run around on foot faster than a horse with Retreating Maneuvers. He wasn't hacking and he wasn't making this happen. And no I am not talking about sneaking with Night's Silence and Dark Stalker, I know the difference and that was never faster than a horse + Retreating Maneuvers.

That said, while it does appear like cheaters, there is a chance they are just glitched. Even though they are probably turds who need a ban, there is no evidence. ESO is that buggy

Also just an FYI, they do ban cheaters. I know several who got banned for cheating in Cyrodiil. Especially the one dickbag who was running around and hitting people for like 7k or something silly with a 2h. I can't remember his name but it was all over reddit and other social media. Also I saw several get banned over duping.

Don't worry, if enough people report these guys, they will be investigated.

I dont see anything wrong with the way im going about this and yes I can't confirm for sure that it is in fact related to mist form, i stated that alrdy but many others have confirmed it, just cuz i was unable to : P doesnt mean thats not the problem.

And no they are not investigating because as I said two other players recorded these same players exploiting and over a month later they are still playing and exploiting. stop defending them : P YOur post makes me wonder what u do in the game. Generally players who dont cheat and use exploits me for example have no problems with a harsh punishment for those who do whether its a suspension or perma ban. Getting rid of the trash allows players who dont want to cheat to actually enjoy the game play.

You are really quick to get defensive.

First off, you are accusing someone with 0 proof. Grats, you made a video... that doesn't mean squat. You don't know whether they are legitimately hacking, using an exploit or are bugged. I don't take word of mouth as empirical evidence as you clearly do. That just doesn't cut it.

Actually I have not seen anyone confirm as verifiable fact that mistform is the culprit. IF it was the case you would simply redirect me to the "confirmed" information. Word of mouth is useless and this all you are offering. I would be sorely disappointed if a gaming company like ZOS danced and jumped through hoops everytime someone cried "foul" or "hacks."

My post makes you wonder what I do in game? Maybe you should take a deep breath and reconsider what has been said.

I did not defend hacking, I simply pointing out you don't know what is going on, nor do you have any proof. Furthermore all the evidence you have other than a 1 minute clip is hearsay and easily dismissible. Lastly you don't know what ZOS has done or not done as they have not said anything.

I dealt with you fairly and respectful. You attacking my character and implying I might be a cheater is petty and childish.