PVP Ignored to force players into PVE
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Yup.. Pretty sure this is why they ignore pvp every patch. Players will get so sick of the pvp shenanigans (troll camps, lag, disconnects, bugged doors, skill bar lock up etc etc..) They they will either quit or move on to PVE.
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pahajuju✭✭Maybe they just don't know how to repair pvp?
And I've been getting unresponsiveness in pve too, so maybe they don't know how to fix the whole game?
And maybe the patch next week will help with some of the problems.EU server, and loosing interest in the game.1 -
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Gillysan✭✭✭✭Every game, evey time a patch comes out:
PvP people whine
PvE people scream
Let me ask you a personal question. Have you bug reported every thing you want to complain about? If you have good, now you get to wait like everyone else is doing. Feel free to hold their feet to the fire from time to time on specific posts. Otherwise I myself wait for the /sadsongontheviolin emote.
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dcincali✭✭✭✭Every game, evey time a patch comes out:
PvP people whine
PvE people scream
Let me ask you a personal question. Have you bug reported every thing you want to complain about? If you have good, now you get to wait like everyone else is doing. Feel free to hold their feet to the fire from time to time on specific posts. Otherwise I myself wait for the /sadsongontheviolin emote.
I feel like I bug report more then I play the game. Sad thing is, ZOS doesn't read all of them. My guild found a HUGE HUGE exploit in cyrodiil that will completely destroy pvp and we /bug reported etc, asked for gms attendance to be made aware and to this date NADA (was reported about a week ago). They just don't care and I can say that by their actions/in-actions.7 -
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✭✭✭I think what they are doing is trying to get enough content out for everyone. Lets face it it when the game came out you had 2 options solo content and PVP. They had no raids or trials which some a lot of people enjoy. So now they have tons of solo, they have raiding and trials, and they have PVP. It has already been confirmed that Imperial City will be within the next few updates. So I think they should start rotating what they focus on so next PVP,then PVE solo, Then PVE group, Then PVP again.
As far as the Fixes I don't know. I don't know all the bugs or how hard it is to fix them. I don't know their game engine, their coding, their infrastructure or any of that so I can't pretend like it's an easy fix. But I do hope they get it sorted.8 -
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✭✭✭The fact that Nirnhoned gear only drops in PVE is just the latest example of ZOS ignoring PVP.10 -
Ragefist✭✭✭✭Imperial city is going to be real fun I guess, all the PvE players will want to try that one, so my guess is that Cyrodiil will see some massive battles on entirely new scale
... well that or players spamming chat to see which campaign to join to access it.
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ZOS_MichelleA✭✭✭✭✭Hi there, @dcincali. While using /bug will log the issue in our system and give us additional helpful information for improving ESO, it will not open a help request on behalf of the customer.
The best ways to contact us for GM support or other assistance are using /help in the in-game chat window or by submitting a ticket at https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/ask/ on our website, as this will put in a direct request for contact from our Support Team, since we do not reply directly to bug reports. We hope this helps clear up any confusion. Thanks!8 -
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✭✭✭@ZOS_MichelleA, His point is not how to report the bug it's that when the bug doesn't get fixed after 6 months it feels like its being ignored. Like when people reported bugs on the PTS and it still made it into the live version.12 -
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✭Imperial city is going to be real fun I guess, all the PvE players will want to try that one, so my guess is that Cyrodiil will see some massive battles on entirely new scale
... well that or players spamming chat to see which campaign to join to access it.
The second is more likely
And what if imperial city is as broken as cyrodiil is now or the grouping is as broken as the group only craglorn content or nothing playable due to system crashes and bugs anyway ?
I really don't understand the policy of..
new likely broken stuff > fixed old stuff
I will call it.... shinysyndromeEdited by Rune_Relic on September 20, 2014 2:42PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited4 -
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »@ZOS_MichelleA, His point is not how to report the bug it's that when the bug doesn't get fixed after 6 months it feels like its being ignored. Like when people reported bugs on the PTS and it still made it into the live version.
Oh no you didn't!
You claim:
Zenimax knows of a bug for 6 months that effects everyone going to war in Cyrodiil. Which is not "only" pvp players btw, and decides to do nothing?
Sure.
FREE RESPEC! Nerf exp from Vet 13 - Vet 14! Arena is to hard!
I am Sure they do all this just to have fun with all....what was it Reddit posters claimed? Half a mill subs?
Come on....the second they have a fix....you might not even know its fixed, like so many other things they've done extremely well.
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »@ZOS_MichelleA, His point is not how to report the bug it's that when the bug doesn't get fixed after 6 months it feels like its being ignored. Like when people reported bugs on the PTS and it still made it into the live version.
Oh no you didn't!
You claim:
Zenimax knows of a bug for 6 months that effects everyone going to war in Cyrodiil. Which is not "only" pvp players btw, and decides to do nothing?
Sure.
FREE RESPEC! Nerf exp from Vet 13 - Vet 14! Arena is to hard!
I am Sure they do all this just to have fun with all....what was it Reddit posters claimed? Half a mill subs?
Come on....the second they have a fix....you might not even know its fixed, like so many other things they've done extremely well.
Shush!
Yeah I did go there. Because I have been seeing complaints about Cyrodill problems since beta. Some of the problems still on going, like super bad lag, Crashes and the whole locked doors thing.
I love this game and I know they are working on stuff but when you let bugs go from PTS to patch or still not have fixes for things that they said they had fixes for 3 patches ago then yeah people are going to question ZOS. I mean how many times have they fixed that cloak thing for Nightblades? like 3 times now. How many times did they have to push memory leak patches like 4 times?
Like I said I don't claim to know how hard it is to fix these issues or how in depth their engine, coding and infrastructures are so I can't claim it should be fixed overnight. But if you claim to have a fix maybe make sure it is actually working before telling people you have it working.
As far as the Vet content being nerfed that is PVE not PVP and OP's original post was about them ignoring PVP players. Since the PVE gets nerfed when too hard and vet ranks not taking as much xp to get from VR13-VR14 and yet this guys can't even get a new part of Cyrodill or even the doors to not be locked then yeah his complaint is valid making it seem like they don't care about PVP and only care about PVE.9 -
skoomatrait✭✭✭ZOS_MichelleA wrote: »Hi there, @dcincali. While using /bug will log the issue in our system and give us additional helpful information for improving ESO, it will not open a help request on behalf of the customer.
The best ways to contact us for GM support or other assistance are using /help in the in-game chat window or by submitting a ticket at https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/ask/ on our website, as this will put in a direct request for contact from our Support Team, since we do not reply directly to bug reports. We hope this helps clear up any confusion. Thanks!
@ZOS_Michelle here my 2 tickets 140917-000582, 140918-000953 no answers, no any notifications that you've recieved it, yours CS useless0 -
Nocturnalis✭✭✭skoomatrait wrote: »ZOS_MichelleA wrote: »Hi there, @dcincali. While using /bug will log the issue in our system and give us additional helpful information for improving ESO, it will not open a help request on behalf of the customer.
The best ways to contact us for GM support or other assistance are using /help in the in-game chat window or by submitting a ticket at https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/ask/ on our website, as this will put in a direct request for contact from our Support Team, since we do not reply directly to bug reports. We hope this helps clear up any confusion. Thanks!
@ZOS_Michelle here my 2 tickets 140917-000582, 140918-000953 no answers, no any notifications that you've recieved it, yours CS useless
What if the bug reporting/ support system is bugged?
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zbtiqua✭✭✭The bug report system isn't bugged, it goes to the devs. You just don't get a confirmation. They do with it... whatever devs do.
PVP may have issues, but at least they effect everyone equally. Balance/skill issues and bugs impact players differently, and that is why "PvE players" scream louder and get more attention. Frankly, many of those changes overlap into PVP as well.Officer of Da Funk (EP NA)
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It would make more sense to have a different affect in pvp then pve... Like Impulse, capped at 6 for pvp but in pve you could blow up 20+, but hey you guys get Dragon Start Arena and we get buggy postern doors again for the 6th month. Seems fair right?3 -
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This is not a single player elder scrolls game and the sooner you realize that the better off you will be.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Bugs should of cause been fixed asap. But what else do you expect for PvP? The Problem is most likely not the Content, it is with the players. Every faction runs a super Blob and wonders why pvp is heavy lagged?It would make more sense to have a different affect in pvp then pve... Like Impulse, capped at 6 for pvp but in pve you could blow up 20+, but hey you guys get Dragon Start Arena and we get buggy postern doors again for the 6th month. Seems fair right?
I tell all of you something, that lag will never ever go away, if you insist of playing only in Super Zerg Blogs.2 -
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✭Every game, evey time a patch comes out:
PvP people whine
PvE people scream
Let me ask you a personal question. Have you bug reported every thing you want to complain about? If you have good, now you get to wait like everyone else is doing. Feel free to hold their feet to the fire from time to time on specific posts. Otherwise I myself wait for the /sadsongontheviolin emote.
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Some of these bugs have existed since beta, and have been bug reported over and over, (and were bug reported in beta.) How long should we have to wait, exactly?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭This is so much utter nonsense. I've been playing since early access and never once set foot in Cyrodiil. I'm sure there are plenty of other people like me that are not playing this game for its PvP aspect.
So this notion that the developers are neglecting PvP to force players into PvE is just....laughable at best.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.9 -
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✭MercyKilling wrote: »This is so much utter nonsense. I've been playing since early access and never once set foot in Cyrodiil. I'm sure there are plenty of other people like me that are not playing this game for its PvP aspect.
So this notion that the developers are neglecting PvP to force players into PvE is just....laughable at best.
oh well if you don't pvp apparently no one does.
How is what you do relevant? (though I doubt that's why they are neglecting it, it's just a bad decision, like so many others.)Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »
This is not a single player elder scrolls game and the sooner you realize that the better off you will be.
Where did I ever suggest or imply that I thought it was?
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wafcatb14_ESO✭✭✭yep i reported bugs durning the pts back in jan - april and most of the bugs we and the rest of us on the pts , still were in game at launch and 2 or 3 months after launch .
instead of having the lame guild stores in game , the game would have been better to take what EQ had back in 1999 . which was a global Auction chat channel that you could toggle on or off to see chat if you were selling or wanting to buy something . or turn it off if you weren`t ,
or a auction house like GW 2 or WoW , or Rift etc what we have is poor and looks like someones kids desgined it over xmas break .
all the guild store function is , is a way to remove money from the game , example , my guild bid 10 thousand gold for a guild store and lost the bid , however even tho we were out bid they still kept the 10k gold we bid on the store , unlike a real auction where if you are out bid you keep your money and the winning bid pays .
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This is a PvE focused game in the first place. As per usual, PvP is a mini game side venture. This isn't Aeon or ArchAge ( thank god). It's funny you imply PvP is the focus and we will "get forced" into PvE when it dawns on you how utterly flawed it is (again, as usual).Edited by Thatusernameistaken on September 20, 2014 7:48PM6
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✭wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »yep i reported bugs durning the pts back in jan - april and most of the bugs we and the rest of us on the pts , still were in game at launch and 2 or 3 months after launch .
instead of having the lame guild stores in game , the game would have been better to take what EQ had back in 1999 . which was a global Auction chat channel that you could toggle on or off to see chat if you were selling or wanting to buy something . or turn it off if you weren`t ,
or a auction house like GW 2 or WoW , or Rift etc what we have is poor and looks like someones kids desgined it over xmas break .
all the guild store function is , is a way to remove money from the game , example , my guild bid 10 thousand gold for a guild store and lost the bid , however even tho we were out bid they still kept the 10k gold we bid on the store , unlike a real auction where if you are out bid you keep your money and the winning bid pays .
umm you are remembering incorrectly. Auction channel was nor is it currently, global. It is zone based. And it definitely didn't exist in 1999, people used the zone chat on EC.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Helwyr✭✭MercyKilling wrote: »This is so much utter nonsense. I've been playing since early access and never once set foot in Cyrodiil. I'm sure there are plenty of other people like me that are not playing this game for its PvP aspect.
So this notion that the developers are neglecting PvP to force players into PvE is just....laughable at best.
The problem with your analysis is that it ignores that PvP players in order to keep up with their competitors are forced to PvE, on the other hand PvE players can remain completely unhindered in their gameplay despite never stepping foot in Cyrodiil.
As someone here mostly for PvP this is one of the primary reasons I've let my account lapse (have another 2 weeks left). I don't want to do grouped PvE, raids, VR and gear chasing anymore than you want to PvP. For not doing that content I'm essentially punished with weaker stats and gear, never mind that much needed fixes for the type of play I enjoy are ignored in favor of new content I'll never touch. So the OPers comment isn't nonsense, it may not be Zenimax's intent but it is definately the result of their actions/inaction in regard to development.
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✭Yes pvp is ignored except when it comes to screwing over pve for the sake of pvp balance. But not to force players into pve, pvp is ignored because the developers haven't taken the time to actually flesh it out and look at it. Either because they're lacking in manpower or initiative.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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✭✭LonePirate wrote: »The fact that Nirnhoned gear only drops in PVE is just the latest example of ZOS ignoring PVP.
That works the other way around too. I can't get every skill point available in the game if I don't PvP. There are also sets of armor and weapons that can only be purchased with AP that you can only get from PvP.3 -
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