Lore supports both speed and not speed, btw. You did get bonuses in the past but those were different bloodlines. This bloodline could go either way. Lore is irrelevant.

And if we really want to get technical, I want to be en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penanggalan

Then you can line your house with thorns to tear at my intestines when I try to sneak in and drink your blood.

Or maybe I could steal cucumbers and melons, have a hollow head, and go around stealing peoples' livers.

There's a lot of vampire folklore, so don't act like any iteration is just hollywood, or that there is not room for variety.

This was a fun things vampires could do. It wasn't over the top, I personally never got any combat advantage from it. All I see is a bunch of people with a unreasonable hate for other peoples' gameplay, to the point that wrecking it in any fashion is considered a virtue.

Shame on you.

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Issue with patch 1.4.3

Vampires - in myth, and legend, are purported to be the fastest moving 'creature'

My purpose is not to argue nay or yeah about the speed nerf; but you have to realize in a MMO balancing player abilities is paramount and the "myth" argument is irrelevant as to whether the nerf is justifiable.

The sneak speed was never a problem... only butthurt horse owners wanted it nerfed.

Q. Why does everyone get so upset when something involving a Vampire gets nerfed?

A. Because Vampires are probably one of the most OP things in the game.

how so? They can decide wether or not to be in combat by spamming mist form which makes them un-hit able while moving at an increased speed which allows them to get away from any fight (NB all you have to do is AoE and it pulls them out of invis).

Vampires also have to most unfair ultimate. It's an AoE that is movable and allows the vampire to use other abilities while the ultimate is up. If I remember correctly one of the morphs heals the vampire. Please tell me how that is in anyway fair to other AoE ultimates like Standard, meteor, Nova, consuming darkness etc. For every AoE I just listed you cast it to a set area, they don't move around (unless you have shifting standard).

I'm tired of seeing people complaining that their precious Vampire gets something fixed That wasn't intended. If they bring back nightsilence with Vamp then I want to see them bring back a 100% proc rating with silver bolts.

Also, Vampires have no room to complain, Be a WW like me then you will be able to complain about something.

NeoXanthus wrote: »

To give some background on myself. I was not a MMO player when I started playing ESO. Personally I have a very long history of playing games on PCs some 32+ years now.

Posting your resume...that's a paddlin'.

Frenkthevile wrote: »

I think that they should put MORE levels in Vampire and Werewolf skill lines, and make them possible to level up only by specific ''tasks'' (i.e. feeding, creating other vampires, night-time kills, etc.) and not by generic XP. This way vampires could be given more effective skills, but unlocked only if you embrace the vampire's way for real! The issue with vampires is that EVRYBODY can cap the skill line in 2 hours of daily quests or something like that...so we're FULL of young vampires that are as strong as Day1 vampires, made only to use the occasional exploit...and it's not possible to have such a background spoiled like that imho!!!

@Frenkthevile, that would be outstanding. I suspect at some time in the future, they will add more to all of the Maxed-at-10 skill lines. Maybe even some Vamp only content for people to complain about.

More power with age, kills. Chance of insanity if you do not feed. There is much potential there.

Aoife32001 wrote: »

Vampires in the Elder Scrolls were never known, that I am aware of, for being exceptionally fast. Furthermore, as far as I am aware, the "super fast" vampire is more a Hollywood/Pop culture invention than it is a legitimate lore/legend issue with vampires, and I couldn't care less what Hollywood or Pop culture has to say on the matter. In the admittedly-limited reading I have done into actual, real-life vampire lore (primarily from Eastern Europe), I have not come across super speed as being a trait of vampires.

The lore and legend we are concerned with here is Elder Scrolls lore and legend--not vampire lore and legend at large, and especially not pop vampire traits from Hollywood or "Twilight". If it doesn't concern Elder Scrolls vampires, then it is of no concern to ESO.

@Aoife32001‌, @nerevarine1138‌ allow me to slam the door on this one, hard.

From : uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Vampires regarding Morrowind - Elder Scrolls III, circa 2002.

• +20 to Strength, Willpower, and Speed.
• +30 to Sneak, Athletics, Acrobatics, Hand-to-hand, Unarmored, Mysticism, Illusion, and Destruction.
• Immune to Paralysis and Common Disease.
• +50% Resistance to normal weapons.
• Vampire Touch spell, which Absorbs Health 10-30 points on touch. It will always have a 100% success rate.
• Additional bonus based on the clan you've joined:
• Aundae Clan: additional +20 to Willpower, +20 to Short Blade, Mysticism, and Destruction.
• Berne Clan: +20 to Agility, additional +20 to Sneak, Unarmored, and Hand-to-hand.
• Quarra Clan: additional +20 to Strength, +20 Blunt Weapon, Hand-to-hand, and Heavy Armor.
• A few useful artifacts such as Eltonbrand and the Darksun Shield are only
  available as a Vampire.

starkerealm wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

This. I don't know where/when the idea of the "super-fast" vampire entered our culture, but someone needs to decapitate it, stuff the mouth with garlic and seal the tomb up with communion wafers.

Morrowind gave a +20 speed boost to all vampires, and one clan got a +40 speed boost. Oblivion maintained the +20 speed boost, I think, though it's been awhile.

Super Natural: Exceptional beyond natural explanation in one or more areas.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Q. Why does everyone get so upset when something involving a Vampire gets nerfed?

A. Because Vampires are probably one of the most OP things in the game.

how so? They can decide wether or not to be in combat by spamming mist form which makes them un-hit able while moving at an increased speed which allows them to get away from any fight (NB all you have to do is AoE and it pulls them out of invis).

Vampires also have to most unfair ultimate. It's an AoE that is movable and allows the vampire to use other abilities while the ultimate is up. If I remember correctly one of the morphs heals the vampire. Please tell me how that is in anyway fair to other AoE ultimates like Standard, meteor, Nova, consuming darkness etc. For every AoE I just listed you cast it to a set area, they don't move around (unless you have shifting standard).

I'm tired of seeing people complaining that their precious Vampire gets something fixed That wasn't intended. If they bring back nightsilence with Vamp then I want to see them bring back a 100% proc rating with silver bolts.

Also, Vampires have no room to complain, Be a WW like me then you will be able to complain about something.

I think why people get so upset when vampires get nerf-ed on intended behavior, could be that they really like playing as one. We are not asking to be overpowered just give us the supernatural speed back. For me playing as a vampire was the reason a started playing my first MMO. For me personally I have spent countless hours developing my character it feels like a bait-and-switch. I played as vampire in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim for me and for my enjoyment this was the reason I played the game. Heck the first moment I was able to name a character on the production server I named him after arguably the most famous vampire in history. For me ZOS has turn vampirism from a “gift” to a disease.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

This. I don't know where/when the idea of the "super-fast" vampire entered our culture, but someone needs to decapitate it, stuff the mouth with garlic and seal the tomb up with communion wafers.

Morrowind gave a +20 speed boost to all vampires, and one clan got a +40 speed boost. Oblivion maintained the +20 speed boost, I think, though it's been awhile.

Super Natural: Exceptional beyond natural explanation in one or more areas.

Yeah, I was wrong, the Berne got +20 Agility, not an additional +20 Speed. Oh well, it's been awhile.

If this was working as intended, why was the silver bolts bug fixed then. It was working as intended also., by your definition of a bug.

Zormac wrote: »

One of the problems of Zenimax is that, like many other publishers/developers, they believe that the path for balance is to weaken strong features, when it's actually the opposite: empower weak ones.
People are complaining that Sorcerers have too much mobility in battle? Give the Nightblade/Vampires more mobility to balance, or the Templar and Dragonknight a way to counter their mobility. A spell is dealing too much damage? Give people the means to resist said spell.

Don't ever punish players for your development mistakes; instead, give more power to the underdogs.

That's absolutely the opposite of good balance.

Good games are challenging. Balance that is done by tuning abilities up makes content easier, removing the challenge. Balance that is done by tuning overpowered abilities down simply adds challenge for people who weren't experiencing any in the first place.

If they tune abilities up, then enemies have to be tuned up to match them, which is an extra unnecessary step.