Nightblade's Stealth - Completely Broken? Possibly resolved?

TheBull · September 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
Race

Class

Armor and weapons equipped

Slotted passives

Also, if you've submitted a /bug about this, please pass along the reference number if you have it.

Thanks in advance!

polar · September 2014

I am a VR12 bosmer vampire full medium NB running a combination of Red Mountain (legs, arm copts, and belt) and Stigian (helm, chest, hands, boots, and daggers), bow of the Night Mother. I have all medium, NB, DW, and Bow passives as well as all vamp passives all maxed out.

There is a dramatic difference in stealth radius. I can no longer sneak through rooms that I used to sneak through. Bosses that I used to be able to sneak around to open with a hit from the back now detect me when I am working my way around the perimeter of the room. I can also no longer get a concealed weapon hit off from stealth... get detected before I am in range. Most of the time, I cannot feed. I get detected before I am in range (though, sometimes I can do it....but much less often). Cyrodiil NPC... what stealth? It is like there is no stealth at all.

oldspook619 · September 2014

If even part of what I've read in this thread is true, then the developers have their priorities in the wrong place. These things should be fixed before any new content is introduced. Introducing new content while the game is broken is like shoveling s**t against the tide. Sooner or later the whole thing will be covered in s**t.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Gais, they are paying attention to us. It's almost like they... care. I am getting dizzy. *swoon*

GrimMauKin · September 2014

I'm having major issues with Stealth not working as well as Shadow Cloak breaking too readily and Concealed Weapon not apply it's stealth speed passive and sometimes not doing any damage at all.

I'm a VR5 Kahjiit in full medium armour with all racial and armour stealth passives employed (and with Concealed Weapon slotted); my stealth radius seems practically non-existent. I'm carrying dual wield daggers as my primary and a bow in secondary (recently replacing a restoration staff).

I'm wearing 5 pieces of Vampire's Kiss medium armour and 2 of Song of Lamae.

I've already submitted a bug report but didn't note the reference number.

I'm almost afraid to play as things are so bad right now I might give up altogether!

Dissentinel · September 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
Race

Class

Armor and weapons equipped

Slotted passives

Also, if you've submitted a /bug about this, please pass along the reference number if you have it.

Thanks in advance!

I am a VR10 Breton Nightblade wearing 5 Medium armor and 2 light armor, using the Night's Silence and Hunding's Rage sets. I wield a Bow, and a 2H/DW Daggers. I use all Medium Armor passives, all Nightblade passives, All bow passives, and all DW passives.

Badea · September 2014

Race: Wood Elf
Class: NB
Weapon: Dual Wield 2 daggers (Hunding's Rage)
Weapon: Bow (Hunding's Rage)

Armor: Medium 7pc (All gold)
Armor Sets: Hunding's Rage and Night Mothers

Passives:
All Class Passives
All Elf Racial Passives
All Medium Armor Passives
All Dagger Passives
All Bow Passives

As others have stated, this goes beyond stealth and affects damage as well. The way this is working it reminds me of the changes made in SW:TOR when they tried to prevent stealthers from getting around world bosses to get elite chests. That hosed stealthers in general too and this has the same feel to it.

Saet · September 2014

VR12 khajiit Nightblade
All medium armor. 4 pieces of morag tong, 4 pieces of yokudan air. Bow and 2h. All class, medium armor, and racial passives.

My stealth is being seen way further than before as well.

Desdemonte · September 2014

Race: Wood Elf (Vampire)
Class: NB
Weapon: Dual Wield 2 daggers (Night Mothers or Oblivion's Foe)
Weapon: Bow (Night Mothers or Oblivion's Foe)

Armor: PvE Medium 7pc (5Hunding's Rage and 4Night Mothers)
PvP 5Medium /1Light/1Heavy (5Willows/4Oblivion)

Passives:
All Class Passives
All Wood Elf Racial Passives
All Medium Armor Passives
All Heavy Armor Passives but 5 piece set
All Light Armor Passives but 5 piece set
All Dagger Passives
All Bow Passives
All Vampire Passives

PlagueMonk · September 2014

Sneak_Thief wrote: »

vaughancs wrote: »

I agree, vamp nb's have been done wrong..pls don't make any more changes unless it is an improvement for NB's. I had the night silence set..vamps are supernatural so, yeah,we should run faster in stealth.hasnt anyone seen "Interview with a Vampire :P Thats the trade off for fire vulnerability (even with enchant resists), having to feed every so often and getti g one-shotted by silverbolt..we are vamps people..vamp is a skill line with passives..did you change the magika and stamina passives from the guild lines that prolly stacks with sets that gives increased stats? No...the one thing that made me happy..you had to take it away..cuz of a few whiners...who cares if we go as fast as their horse..tell them to feed it!

Yeah you are 100% correct, Vamps, according to most lore, movies, and shows move at an incredible speed..

Yeah but I should ALSO be able to poke you with a hunk of wood I picked up off the ground (or silver) and turn you into ash or you should burst in flames in sunlight.

Not seeing EITHER of those happening in this game so don't try and quote movies as a viable reference unless you are willing to accept ALL the drawbacks. Cherry picking to suit your own ends doesn't fly....oh wait.....Vampires can also turn into bats and fly....you want that too??? ><

GrimMauKin · September 2014

I'm not completely convinced that my Medium Armour Stamina Regen passives are working properly either!

PlagueMonk · September 2014

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmmm, apparently a lot of bad NB's here. Skills need some fixing at least in the "working correctly" dept. But as a vr10 NB I do insane dps in pve and I easily hold hold my own in PvP. Not sure what you guys are doing wrong. I hate to say it but l2p. Threatening to cancel sub is pretty lame. Jeez, back when I played Aion for instance I was a spirit master and it took forever for the revs to fix the class (way longer than its been for this game), but it all worked out in the end. Chill out and keep brining up broken mechanics like you're all doing so they can be fixed.

Was waiting for one of these"L2P" posts to pop up.

You forgot to list your spec there Tex. That will tell us why you are "holding your own" in PvP.

Oh and for those saying that NightsSilence stacking was "purely for fun".[snip]

Being able to move from battle to battle faster than a horse and invisible is a HUGE freakin' advantage. Running this way means you get to the action quicker and never get unhorsed and ganked by a skirmish group. So please stop trying to convince us otherwise.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

phreatophile · September 2014

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Vampires can also turn into bats and fly....you want that too??? ><

Yes

Garetth · September 2014

Race: Wood Elf VR8
Class: NB
Weapon: Dual Wield 2 daggers (Hunding's Rage)
Weapon: Bow (Hunding's Rage)
5 magika 5 health 39 stamina

Armor: Medium 7pc (all purple)
Armor Set: 5 pc Vampires Kiss and 4 pc Hunding's Rage

Passives:
All Class Passives
All Wood Elf Racial Passives
All Medium Armor Passives
All Dagger Passives
All Bow Passives

Concealed weapon is on my bar and I no longer get the 25% stealth speed bonus after the recent patch.

In addition, if I'm able to sneak and get in position for a back opener on a mob, maybe once in 10 tries, (no way on a NPC cause they spot me first, even when back is to me), my concealed weapon skill used to do 1695 damage on first hit from stealth and now it's 1298. That's a huge damage nerf. Two Killers Blade stikes after opener would finish off a 3000+ health mob but now it takes 3 or more.

Please fix this mess asap!

Mujuro · September 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
Race

Class

Armor and weapons equipped

Slotted passives

Also, if you've submitted a /bug about this, please pass along the reference number if you have it.

Thanks in advance!

Race: Dunmer
Class: Uhm, NB
Armor: 5x Medium Seducer, 2x Light Torug's Pact
Weapons: DW Dagger Torug's Pact / Resto Staff Torug's Pact
Passives: All Medium Armor, Light Armor, Racial, NB Class skills

Note that I also have issues when running full light armor (also 5x Seducer + 2x Torug's Pact but with dual Resto Torug's Pact and 3x Warlock jewelry).

rook75 · September 2014

Race: Khajit VR12
Class: NB
Subclass: Vampire
Weapon: Dual Wield 2 daggers

Armor: Medium 7pc
Armor Sets: Night Silence 4pc, Hundings Rage 5pc

Passives
All Khajit Racial
All Medium Armor
All Vampire
All Nighblade Passives (and others)

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · September 2014

Race: Khajiit (normal)
Class: Nightblade
Level: VR12
Weapon slot 1:
Dual Wield, 2 swords (Ashen Grip swords with Ashen grip Helmet and Boots to make a 4 pc set) with penetration trait.
Weapon slot 2:
Dual Wield, 2 daggers (Nightshade set daggers with a Necklace to make a 3 pc set) with penetration trait.

Armor:
Medium 7pc (5 pc Night silence set, 2 piece Ashen Grip set, helmet and boots to work with my dual swords, see above in weapon slot 1)

Jewelry: 1 Nightshade set necklace, 2 rings of Syrabane set, (1 ring with Magicka recovery the other with Health recovery and it is a 2pc set gaining more Magicka recovery).

Passives:
All Nightblade Class Passives
All Khajiit Racial Passives
All Medium Armor Passives
All Dual Wield Passives

I use Concealed Weapon on both Ability bars for sneak speed and attack.

I opened a BUG tracking ticket but I don't have access to it as I am currently at work and the ticket # is home at my computer.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Gais, they are paying attention to us. It's almost like they... care. I am getting dizzy. *swoon*

Sooo Funny Habasi

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · September 2014

Race: Bosmer Vampire
Class: Nightblade V12
Armor/Weapon: 7 medium (infused and impenetrable traits), DW daggers (precision), Bow (precision) 5 x hunding, 3 or 4 x Nightmother.
Passives: All class, all race, all DW, all bow, all vampire, all medium armor.

You are automatically detected and attacked by any level mob facing you within 8 yards or so and within same distance behind them eye turns half open.

It is only possible to sneak attack if you use shadow cloak.

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

Thanks for the the responses, Hopefully this helps in some way.

Junkogen · September 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
Race

Class

Armor and weapons equipped

Slotted passives

Also, if you've submitted a /bug about this, please pass along the reference number if you have it.

Thanks in advance!

While you're working on this issue, could you fix Argonian racials as well. We got missed when you buffed every other race.

Caspur · September 2014

Race: Wood Elf
Level: VR2
Weapons: Dual wield daggers (Night's Silence)

Armor: 5 Medium, 2 Light (Night's Silence)

All Passives in:

Shadow
Assassination
Siphon
Medium armor
Wood Elf

rwross · September 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
Race: Woodelf

Class: Nightblade

Armor and weapons equipped:

5 pieces of Medium Night's Silence + 2 Pieces of Medium Ashen Grip

Dual Wield: Dagger of Ashen Grip + Axe of Ashen Grip

Bow: Bow of Ashen Grip

Slotted passives

Improved Sneak 2/2 (35% detection area + 49% sneak cost decreases)

Stealthy Racial 3/3 (Decrease Stealth radius by 3 meters)

Also, if you've submitted a /bug about this, please pass along the reference number if you have it.

Bug Reference Number: 140918-001964

Hope this helps...can someone PLEASE respond with what the plans are for Monday and if this will be corrected. At a minimum can someone from ZO confirm that Night's Silence's 5 piece bonus of 60% improved sneak speed will be restored. I'm holding off crafting my V7 gear because it will use tons of resources and if Night's Silence doesn't have the sneak bonus, then there really is no point :-(

Thanks in advance!

Redlag · September 2014

Frustrating day today. I think Im gonna be the highlight reel to uber DKs spamming talons, whip, shield charge.. while I helplessly spam cloak as a NB caster. Getting charged from over 15 away while having cloak up is pissing me off.

Edit
With DKs and Temps having on demand heals, spell reflects standing in 10 people and health not going down. Sorc (stacking absorb to LOL not lose health) Sorc bolt escaping endlessly faster than Silence+Vamp with no vamp fire oblivion.. You guys think our abilities could function properly and still it's uphill in comparison.

Atarax · September 2014

Back on topic.

Race: Woodelf
Class: Nightblade
Armor and weapons equipped:
5 pieces of Light Night's Silence + 2 Pieces of Light Seducer
1-hand + shield: Mace of seducer + shield of seducer
Resto staff: Resto staff of seducer
Slotted passives
Improved Sneak 2/2 (35% detection area + 49% sneak cost decreases)
Stealthy Racial 3/3 (Decrease Stealth radius by 3 meters)
All nightblade passives, wood elf passives, 1 hand + shield passives, resto passives, fighter's guild passives, mages guild passives, and vampire passives.

I can't approach things in stealth. My cloak breaks instantly if I have any negative effects on me. I have not bug reported.

rhogarth2b14a_ESO · September 2014

The entire NB class is hosed to be honest. It seems to get more and more broken with each patch. The other 3 classes have their primary skills in order that keep them viable. NB fundamental skills are flat out [snip], particularly when it comes to pvp.

Dragon knights talons and standards working ok? Yep spam that *** like a boss.

How about Sorcs shields, streaks, and endless ultimate spamming, they working ok? Yep, everyone and their momma rockin these nonstop.

How about Templars blazing shields, heals n stuff, they working ok? Yep you better pack a lunch trying to kill one.

And how about NB's......err...what is it that is supposed to set them apart again? Oh right, their stealth and speed. How's that going for them? I think the answer is obvious to everyone accept the Devs, who apparently think this game is still in closed Beta.

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seneferab16_ESO · September 2014

Woodelf
Nighblade, VR 7
7 pices of Light Armor, Resto Staff and Bow.
5 pieces of Whitestrakes Retribution (Head, Chest, Waist,Feet, Resto Staff, Bow), 5 pieces of Cyrodiils Light (Shoulders, Gloves, Legs, Band, Ring)
All Nightblade passives, all light armor passives, all Wood Elf racials

Bug:
Dark Cloak VI is unreliable when fighting PvE mobs, and will break/not work over half the time. The spells used before Dark Cloak as well as the attack abilities of mobs seem to have no impact on the hit/miss ratio of Dark Cloak.
Projectile and other attacks will hit through Dark Cloak, and mobs will see through it, run after and keep hitting. I have not tested in PvP, but it seems a lot more unreliable there as well.

Dark Cloak VI will not work at all during the effect of Efficient Purge IV (reduces the duration of negative effects on nearby allies by 50% for 3 seconds).

These issues was introduced with the patch.

GrimMauKin · September 2014

Could we have an update on how things are progressing and a possible timescale for resolution? I'm really loosing the will to play at the moment as my Nightblade is now absurdly vulnerable.

Could I add Medium Armour Stealth Regn. passives to the list of things that may need looking at too please?

I think you may loose a lot of players if Nightblades aren't fixed as a matter of priority.

seneferab16_ESO · September 2014

I've had my coffee now and removing b/c less whiny.
Peace.

Mondo · September 2014

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Sneak_Thief wrote: »

vaughancs wrote: »

Yeah but I should ALSO be able to poke you with a hunk of wood I picked up off the ground (or silver) and turn you into ash or you should burst in flames in sunlight.

Not seeing EITHER of those happening in this game so don't try and quote movies as a viable reference unless you are willing to accept ALL the drawbacks. Cherry picking to suit your own ends doesn't fly....oh wait.....Vampires can also turn into bats and fly....you want that too??? ><

Dosnt matter who or what you are if i poke a woodstick through your heart you DIE.... if i slice your head from your shoulders you DIE.......
ALL DIE from this!