Not Sure If Game is Dying or If I am Killing Guilds...

SirAndy · September 2014

IKilled007 wrote: »

Just got my 3rd personal guild bank today. Either this game is dying a quick death or I am such a persona non grata that I don't even get guild-kicked -- rather the entire guild quits playing. Feel free to speculate!

I see pretty much the same thing and all of my 5 guilds were community based once, not trading guilds. They all have slowed down significantly.

What's even more telling, almost 4 days after the Chillrend campaign reset, my (mostly naked) level 16 NB Wood Elf using a 2H sword and a bow is #15 on the leader-board.

Huntler · September 2014

SirAndy wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

Just got my 3rd personal guild bank today. Either this game is dying a quick death or I am such a persona non grata that I don't even get guild-kicked -- rather the entire guild quits playing. Feel free to speculate!

What's even more telling, almost 4 days after the Chillrend campaign reset, my (mostly naked) level 16 NB Wood Elf using a 2H sword and a bow is #15 on the leader-board.

Feel free everyone to ded daem speculate, but that is not telling at all. New patch that raised level cap and added 2 new PvE encounters (along with time wiped leaderboards).... means everyone is leveling, doing the encounters, and re-outfitting their characters.

Nox_Aeterna · September 2014

Dudis wrote: »

I'm in one "real" guild and 4 trade guilds atm. I have no loyalty towards my trade guilds so if one of them is starting to feel a bit slow, I'll leave it and join one that's more active.

I think that's probably what's happening.

Nah , because one thing is seeing the guild lose its members , the other thing is seeing the members not log in anymore but still stay in the guild.

You can check when was the last time people logged in the guild window.

What happens is like i said , the only guilds that remain going strong , are the ones that keep kicking people weekly atleast.

Kypho · September 2014

I know lot MMO where PvP was fine, then they made new shiny pve crap with new unballancing gears then pvp become bad, community asked for fix/ballance, they did nothing just made new and new content and items what unballanced the pvp more to the point where was no coming back. Then only very small amount of pvpers remained left.

Actually that game doing fine because a fkload ppl play pve only, even if it has much worse pve than this game has, same dumb AI, only difficulty is they hit very hard... thats not difficulty...

They made a dev responsive with pvp issues, who communicated with the pvp community... for like a month... nothing got ballanced, then he left LoL

I bet same is with this crap too. Maybe you see pvp is dieing and only small amount vampire will remain after a time, but can be that game is doing well in pve. As for guilds disbanding, i dont know why. Maybe game going to die, maybe not. Sometimes zones are full (v1-v10) sometimes they are low populated.

SirAndy · September 2014

Huntler wrote: »

but that is not telling at all. New patch that raised level cap and added 2 new PvE encounters (along with time wiped leaderboards).... means everyone is leveling, doing the encounters, and re-outfitting their characters.

Everyone? Hardly ...

And the numbers weren't much better last week, before the VR14 cap raise.
My same toon, then level 14, was rank #90ish at the end of the last campaign with several names on the leaderboard that hadn't moved at all in the few days she had been playing.

If somebody like me, running around naked with a low level toon, can finish a 15 day campaign in the top 100 (after only playing a few days), something is wrong with the PvP population. Simple as that.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · September 2014

darkdruidssb14_ESO wrote: »

PvP is stagnating for reasons mentioned above... New games came out with shiny new PvP (not saying it's better.. but new). A lot of people left to play other games. I did for awhile and came back when I realized PvP in other new games isn't any better and doesn't offer the one thing ESO has... RvR.

Cyrodiil needs a lot of work. Personally I've liked the non-vet server over the other servers more since coming back to ESO because Cyrodiil doesn't change as fast... battles last longer and there are less people using the FOTM builds that everyone hates. AP doesn't flow like water so forward camps are extremely valuable and do actually get used up. Just wish the non-vet server had the population that the 30 day ones had...

You sir have described exactly the biggest issue with this game after Beta.

The powercreep of ridiculous some late/high level abilities, which they make a battle last seconds, which is also one sided (who sees the other one first wins). Or the endless spam of CC and no defences.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · September 2014

New achievement: "Guildkiller"
be the last player active in your full guild, congratulations, you are such a *** everybody quit

Thechemicals · September 2014

Every mmo has these thread....food for thought. Many young and nervous and bored and trolling people around.

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

Starting to feel the need for a formal petition to get @Dleatherus‌ to replace @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

mertusta wrote: »

Update 1 - Craglorn added, v12 rank and pve improvements
Update 2 - Crypt of Heart dungeon and pve improvements.
Update 3 - Armor dying, "closing campaigns" and pve improvements.
Update 4 - Upper craglorn, v14 rank pve improvements bla bla
Update 5 - Imperial City for pvp players!! Heyooo!! but hold on, nope nope "we did not mentioned we will add imperial city on update 5 guys sorry, you should wait more and more for new pvp content guys. until then, keep paying, maybe we can take care about pvp."

Sorry, this game already died for pvp players. Unfortunately im playing eso since the release, but never seen pvp fixes, updates etc. They're just increasing guards power. That's all.

If it's any consolation, it isn't just this game that craps on PvP'ers. Diablo 3 did the same thing. Promised us PvP and then released something so horrifically bad it can't even be considered PvP.

The truth is that it appears PvP players don't pay developer bills like PVE players do, I guess.

Dleatherus · September 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Starting to feel the need for a formal petition to get @Dleatherus‌ to replace @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌

lol - whereas i appreciate the vote of confidence i would be a poor replacement and the pvp player base would truly have something to complain about then

I think folks know i'm disappointed and upset with how some of the things are going, but i also think it's not down to any one individual - having spoken personally in voice comms with Brian I know his heart is in the right place

(for the record i don't think a replacement is warranted at all)

I think the 'problem' lies higher up in terms of their policies, communication, and priorities - i put 'problem' in quote marks because as you state in your following post, as pvp players, we now probably represent a significantly smaller percentage of revenue than the pve players, and that it isn't a problem for them to focus on where the revenue is coming from

the frustration comes from me thinking that doesn't have to be the case because when right, the PvP in this game would be amazingly head and shoulders above anything else out there and hopefully be financially viable

D.

Animylgamer · September 2014

NEWSFLASH!!!:

PvP IS DEAD IN MMO GAMING!

PvP died a horrible death in the summer of 2014 when PvPers KILLED PvP.

"NERF this, NERF that!", claimed one gamer that wished to remain anonymous.

"NO! Don't Nerf we are softies!!!"

"EXPLOIT!!!!!!"

Truth of the matter is PvPers KILLED PvP!!! Not just this game but EVERY GAME that's out there with your "I want GODMODE" whining. Maybe, just maybe we'll have some decient PvP in EQNext: Landmark when it launches but I highly doubt that because the incessant whining and crying that has started there also. Had such high hopes for this game to have a neat PvPvP/AvAvA battlefront but both the elitist and care bears alike RUINED yet another promising fun time. Moving on, was here but now I'm gone; not even leaving my name to carry on.

Guess what people... you reap what you sow!!!

You ARE your own worse enemy!!!

Note to @ZOS: STOP LISTING TO THESE PEOPLE AND STICK TO WHAT YOU CREATE AND FORCE YOUR PLAYER BASE TO LIVE BY YOUR RULES OR LEAVE!!!

Maybe, just maybe when you finally learn this lesson I'll come back and try again; until then... cheerio, ta-ta and all that good stuff.

IKilled007 · September 2014

Animylgamer wrote: »

NEWSFLASH!!!:

PvP IS DEAD IN MMO GAMING!

PvP died a horrible death in the summer of 2014 when PvPers KILLED PvP.

"NERF this, NERF that!", claimed one gamer that wished to remain anonymous.

"NO! Don't Nerf we are softies!!!"

"EXPLOIT!!!!!!"

Truth of the matter is PvPers KILLED PvP!!! Not just this game but EVERY GAME that's out there with your "I want GODMODE" whining. Maybe, just maybe we'll have some decient PvP in EQNext: Landmark when it launches but I highly doubt that because the incessant whining and crying that has started there also. Had such high hopes for this game to have a neat PvPvP/AvAvA battlefront but both the elitist and care bears alike RUINED yet another promising fun time. Moving on, was here but now I'm gone; not even leaving my name to carry on.

Guess what people... you reap what you sow!!!

You ARE your own worse enemy!!!

Note to @ZOS: STOP LISTING TO THESE PEOPLE AND STICK TO WHAT YOU CREATE AND FORCE YOUR PLAYER BASE TO LIVE BY YOUR RULES OR LEAVE!!!

Maybe, just maybe when you finally learn this lesson I'll come back and try again; until then... cheerio, ta-ta and all that good stuff.

That's fine, dude, but then the game company should not market the game as "play your way" if it's gonna be "play the way we force to play in order to be competitive."

Braidas · September 2014

Animylgamer wrote: »

NEWSFLASH!!!:

PvP IS DEAD IN MMO GAMING!

PvP died a horrible death in the summer of 2014 when PvPers KILLED PvP.

"NERF this, NERF that!", claimed one gamer that wished to remain anonymous.

"NO! Don't Nerf we are softies!!!"

"EXPLOIT!!!!!!"

Truth of the matter is PvPers KILLED PvP!!! Not just this game but EVERY GAME that's out there with your "I want GODMODE" whining. Maybe, just maybe we'll have some decient PvP in EQNext: Landmark when it launches but I highly doubt that because the incessant whining and crying that has started there also. Had such high hopes for this game to have a neat PvPvP/AvAvA battlefront but both the elitist and care bears alike RUINED yet another promising fun time. Moving on, was here but now I'm gone; not even leaving my name to carry on.

Guess what people... you reap what you sow!!!

You ARE your own worse enemy!!!

Note to @ZOS: STOP LISTING TO THESE PEOPLE AND STICK TO WHAT YOU CREATE AND FORCE YOUR PLAYER BASE TO LIVE BY YOUR RULES OR LEAVE!!!

Maybe, just maybe when you finally learn this lesson I'll come back and try again; until then... cheerio, ta-ta and all that good stuff.

i just want to be able to play w/o crashing

Insurrektion · September 2014

What does RvR stand for?

Columba · September 2014

cheaters defend other cheaters - NEWSFLASH

Dleatherus · September 2014

Insurrektion wrote: »

What does RvR stand for?

i've always understood as Realm vs. Realm

AvAvA is more fitting for ESO as in Alliance vs. Alliance vs. Alliance

D.

ThyIronFist · September 2014

Animylgamer wrote: »

NEWSFLASH!!!:

PvP IS DEAD IN MMO GAMING!

PvP died a horrible death in the summer of 2014 when PvPers KILLED PvP.

"NERF this, NERF that!", claimed one gamer that wished to remain anonymous.

"NO! Don't Nerf we are softies!!!"

"EXPLOIT!!!!!!"

Truth of the matter is PvPers KILLED PvP!!! Not just this game but EVERY GAME that's out there with your "I want GODMODE" whining. Maybe, just maybe we'll have some decient PvP in EQNext: Landmark when it launches but I highly doubt that because the incessant whining and crying that has started there also. Had such high hopes for this game to have a neat PvPvP/AvAvA battlefront but both the elitist and care bears alike RUINED yet another promising fun time. Moving on, was here but now I'm gone; not even leaving my name to carry on.

Guess what people... you reap what you sow!!!

You ARE your own worse enemy!!!

Note to @ZOS: STOP LISTING TO THESE PEOPLE AND STICK TO WHAT YOU CREATE AND FORCE YOUR PLAYER BASE TO LIVE BY YOUR RULES OR LEAVE!!!

Maybe, just maybe when you finally learn this lesson I'll come back and try again; until then... cheerio, ta-ta and all that good stuff.

Okay then.

Even Odds · September 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

It is a mistery OP , you come to forums and people say the game is fine , nothing to worry about.

Yet tons say they guilds are dead over and over, the only ones that manage better are the ones that make weekly cuts.

Really werid logic there.

Still because the mega server and the fact zen doesnt need to release numbers , we wont be sure really. Personally i think that if the numbers were good , zen would talk about them.

if the numbers were good, we'd see a continual INCREASE in the number of campaigns, not the DECREASE in them, and even with the fewer campaigns most of them are underpopulated buff servers

i'm pretty sure i know which way the pvp population is going, and this is in spite of flooding pvp lands a couple of months ago with their 50% off Steam sale - not many of those that made it to Cyrodiil from that batch have stuck around it seems

D.

I am still playing the game...Just not playing in PVP until Streak, Batswarm, Batswarm gets fixed.

renton1x1x1 · September 2014

to quote sheagorath "boring"

Dudis · September 2014

Even Odds wrote: »

I am still playing the game...Just not playing in PVP until Streak, Batswarm, Batswarm gets fixed.

Is that still a thing? I mean, it's mildly annoying but I've never seen anyone actually die to it, so meh...

Edit: And before you ask, i don't even have a sorc and my main (templar) isn't a vamp either.

Mendoze · September 2014

I just recently joined a new guild, and it seems to be growing fast. Most players don't have veteran level alts yet, so I think they are new players coming to the game. I have had bad experiences too, where my PVP guild just died out, so of course inactive guild rosters is a bad sign, but I don't think it's all doom and gloom time as long as new players are still coming. I still hope ZOS has time left to save this game.

Foghladha · October 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Guilds come and go. In my experience it is a leadership issue not a game issue. My guilds that died had leaders that did not organize activities or were inactive. My surviving guilds have daily activities and active leadership.

for sure guilds come and go - this goes beyond that though

example one gaming community http://www.gaiscioch.com/ whom i know a few members of, brought 6,500 members to the game - that's six THOUSAND five hundred - they had to fill 13 500 man ESO guilds to have them all fit

none of them have left Gaisioch - however today they don't even fill 2 guilds

and trust me they had activities not just daily, but all day long

D.

Sorry but your data is incorrect. Gaiscioch launched in ESO with about 1,300 people from our 6,500 person community. Of those 1,300 we have been thine out to 360 active this week. We had 5 guilds at launch and we use 3 of those 5 now. You are right in the fact we took one hell of a hit here. But we saw similar falloff with RIFT as well and grew to be over 2,500 people active before storm legion hit. SL wiped us out completely. Numbers there went from 2500 to below 250 within 2 months. Now that's an apocalypse. What we experienced was the lack of guild visibility, lack of proper communication channels, and the god mode emperors also drove a lot away. We're still here however. Still making regular proposals and communications with ZeniMax and still trying to make a difference. As long as our community stays above 250 we will continue driving forward.