Nightblade's Stealth - Completely Broken? Possibly resolved?

Spectrasoul · September 2014

I know there is a lot of hate, some with good reason.. Let's look at the bigger picture though. Yes there are some things wrong, yes they need some desperate attention.

In general though I do believe things are moving in the right direction, I mean look at one month after release and compare that to now, I'm surprised I even continued subbing it was that bad.

Stamina builds are more than viable now, Medium armor is definitely an option. Whilst grinding Hircine's yesterday I got a lot of compliments and surprise that I was doing so much damage (More so than Pulsar / Fire Ring spammers) I can't speak for trials or anything which requires more skill than simply smashing a button over and over, but as I said.. It's moving in the right direction.

I have to say despite the lack of communication (Which is very common for any online game) I really do think the devs look at the forums and take note. I know it's a business at the end of the day but the people who make the game surely have to have some passion and want to do a good job and create an awesome game.

Point is, yes there are faults, nothing is perfect. In reality the game for Nightblades these days is a damned sight better than it was 2-3-4 months ago. At least let's give them some credit for that. For the record I can't imagine ever playing anything other than Nightblade, and I doubt I ever will.

GrimMauKin · September 2014

This is not a dark cloak issue, it has to do with detection radius, and NBs not receiving their stealth benefit

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This is certainly a big part of it but Shadow Cloak and Concealed Weapon are also borked making playing a Night Blade hopeless at present (I'm dying far more frequently).

The issue with stealth not working appears to be that the passives are not being counted in; however I'm also not getting a stealth speed passive from Concealed Weapon and my stamina, health and magicka don't seem to be regenerating quickly enough and my Ultimates appear to be charging more slowly too (all affected by passives). I can't be certain that any of my passives are working.

IKilled007 · September 2014

Spectrasoul wrote: »

I really do think the devs look at the forums and take note. I know it's a business at the end of the day but the people who make the game surely have to have some passion and want to do a good job and create an awesome game.

HAHAHAHAHA

You are CLEARLY new around here!

raglau · September 2014

Spectrasoul wrote: »

I really do think the devs look at the forums and take note. I know it's a business at the end of the day but the people who make the game surely have to have some passion and want to do a good job and create an awesome game.

Whilst I love the game, I cannot know the above is true because the lack of communication, coupled with ongoing cockups, really don't seem to provide any evidence of this 'passion' to do a good job.

If the above is true the work would be more diligently done. We're six months in here, the time for the learning curve cockups is gone. Yes, an MMO is a permanent work in progress, but this latest patch has been a retrograde step to players who were already suffering serious problems.

The output we see just doesn't provide evidence to support any claim of passion or desire to do a good job. I mean christ, they even committed a schoolboy error of this patch over-writing all settings. Yeah, it's not the end of the world but it shows how (un)diligent the testing was.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Pibbles wrote: »

Spectrasoul wrote: »

I really do think the devs look at the forums and take note. I know it's a business at the end of the day but the people who make the game surely have to have some passion and want to do a good job and create an awesome game.

Whilst I love the game, I cannot know the above is true because the lack of communication, coupled with ongoing cockups, really don't seem to provide any evidence of this 'passion' to do a good job.

If the above is true the work would be more diligently done. We're six months in here, the time for the learning curve cockups is gone. Yes, an MMO is a permanent work in progress, but this latest patch has been a retrograde step to players who were already suffering serious problems.

The output we see just doesn't provide evidence to support any claim of passion or desire to do a good job. I mean christ, they even committed a schoolboy error of this patch over-writing all settings. Yeah, it's not the end of the world but it shows how (un)diligent the testing was.

So much this.

I was very patient with ZOS for a long time, and didn't generally get out of sorts by the screw ups because it is a new game and they are new to mmos and what not.

I am done making excuses for them, though. I have to twist myself in all sorts of knots to justify that absolute failure of their team with handling this MMO. If they can't do better, different people need to be hired. I don't want people to lose their jobs, but this isn't one or two mistakes, it's a consistent trend of poor service and incompetence. It's clear the present team is incapable, or unwilling, to do the job on par with what we are paying in terms of service.

We can't even get a dev to talk to us personally, they all use their reps to do the dirty work, instead of coming on here and facing the music. Instead, they all go over to rreddit to do AMAs and ban anyone that speaks out because they know that *** wouldn't fly over here for a second.

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I was very patient with ZOS for a long time, and didn't generally get out of sorts by the screw ups because it is a new game and they are new to mmos and what not.

I am done making excuses for them, though. I have to twist myself in all sorts of knots to justify that absolute failure of their team with handling this MMO. If they can't do better, different people need to be hired. I don't want people to lose their jobs, but this isn't one or two mistakes, it's a consistent trend of poor service and incompetence. It's clear the present team is incapable, or unwilling, to do the job on par with what we are paying in terms of service.

We can't even get a dev to talk to us personally, they all use their reps to do the dirty work, instead of coming on here and facing the music. Instead, they all go over to rreddit to do AMAs and ban anyone that speaks out because they know that *** wouldn't fly over here for a second.

QFT

Arsenic_Touch · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I was very patient with ZOS for a long time, and didn't generally get out of sorts by the screw ups because it is a new game and they are new to mmos and what not.

I am done making excuses for them, though. I have to twist myself in all sorts of knots to justify that absolute failure of their team with handling this MMO. If they can't do better, different people need to be hired. I don't want people to lose their jobs, but this isn't one or two mistakes, it's a consistent trend of poor service and incompetence. It's clear the present team is incapable, or unwilling, to do the job on par with what we are paying in terms of service.

We can't even get a dev to talk to us personally, they all use their reps to do the dirty work, instead of coming on here and facing the music. Instead, they all go over to rreddit to do AMAs and ban anyone that speaks out because they know that *** wouldn't fly over here for a second.

Nailed it.

jelliedsoup · September 2014

These issues have been occurring since day 1. Stealth movement abd detection appears to be a problem for the devs

On a side note I'm interested to see how viable the stam changes are once I can actually stealth properly.

raglau · September 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

On a side note I'm interested to see how viable the stam changes are once I can actually stealth properly.

When the planets align in the Tropic of Cancer we may finally get to see that day ;-)

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

Incidentally, they are hotfixing the dragonstar final boss because it is too challenging.

So, I mean, there's that, right? We can wait a week to be functional again.

Nibiruman · September 2014

Yeah, this issue is really annoying. I'm hoping it gets fixed soon.

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Hey everyone. Thanks for the reports and additional information you've provided regarding Nightblade stealth. We are aware of this issue and investigating. As soon as we have more information, we'll be sure to come back and update you.

Please make this a pressing matter, as most nightblades aren't even wanting to play their NB anymore. Every enemy I pass I get spotted, so frustrated in fact I bought a new game to play, as playing my Vet NB (my only character) is too frustrating at the moment. And Id just rather put ESO down and wait for a fix.

I really want the ZOS to make sure NBs have a clear cut advantage to stealth, while other classes are more easily spotted. This is the advantage we chose when we set out to play a NB. If the NB class is going to continue to be sub par then just remove it from ESO period as any class seems to be a better NB than the NB class itself.

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

Junkogen wrote: »

I don't understand why they don't put the medium armor stealth passive in the NB passive skill set, like shadow. No need to nerf it across the board if you just buff NB. Or nerf it across the board and also buff the NB passive. It's strange that that's not already how it is. I guess they don't want to overtly say NB is the stealth class. Hence the medium armor stealth buff.

But why should a NB be forced to wear medium armor to be more stealthy?

Indeed, Medium armor is new in ESO, it didnt even exist in Skyrim, and NO ONE uses medium armor in ESO except NB's, the rest of the classes even including NBs wear Light/Heavy.

jelliedsoup · September 2014

I agree, playing my NB in PvP is a waste of time at the moment.

Tavore1138 · September 2014

The devs would urinate gas in the face of any NB they saw burning.

CS would applaud and toast marshmallows.

They quite literally refuse to accept tickets on these subjects.

Lazrael · September 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

This needs to be fixed NOW. I can barely even play NB without dying every 20 minutes. Now I'm probably not the most proficient player in the world, but I'm not completely inept either. I want to be able to play the class I WANT TO PLAY. I'm pretty sure that the whole point of an RPG, especially one that has the nerve to wear the title of an Elder Scrolls game. Zeni if you want to keep this game alive and keep making money you're gonna need to step up. Additional content is nice, but not in exchange for a broken game.
Also as many said, I bought this game to play Elder Scrolls with my wife and friends, not for pvp. While ideally I'd like to spend some time hopping between both, they both deserve attention and balance work, and I should be able to play any given character in either competently.
Step it up guys.

I hate to tell you this, but this is mucking up pvp way more than it is pve.

Oh I'm sure it is. I can only imagine the frustration for folks that main PVP.

kijima · September 2014

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Hey everyone. Thanks for the reports and additional information you've provided regarding Nightblade stealth. We are aware of this issue and investigating. As soon as we have more information, we'll be sure to come back and update you.

So you guys know about cloak, we are apparently getting a hotfix for that, and now you are looking into stealth, which is great. Could you look at concealed weapon too while your at it?

The odd skill broken with NB's is par for the course, but to have a hat trick is a little hard to stomach.

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

kijima wrote: »

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Hey everyone. Thanks for the reports and additional information you've provided regarding Nightblade stealth. We are aware of this issue and investigating. As soon as we have more information, we'll be sure to come back and update you.

So you guys know about cloak, we are apparently getting a hotfix for that, and now you are looking into stealth, which is great. Could you look at concealed weapon too while your at it?

The odd skill broken with NB's is par for the course, but to have a hat trick is a little hard to stomach.

Yeah I think they are aware of those. Currently its still messing up my Concealed Wep bonus so I have to re sneak to reset it. I can live with it, but it would be nice to know it will be fixed. But I think we can all agree we want our stealth back, and to be better at stealth then other classes as we should be. I'm still waiting for the issues of this thread to be put in the "Known Issues" section.

Thankfully a lot of those posting here are testing for themselves and sharing their frustrations. We need ZOS to know it is a HUGE problem.

Sablemane · September 2014

No one can honestly argue that the nightblade community isn't full of *** and vinegar now. If we get the attention from the developers we crave then watch out Nirn!! I pushed ahead and played my DW Khajiit last night despite the issues and I must admit he is one gimpy badass. My fighting style has evolved with the kicks to the face and maybe, just maybe am becoming a better fighter. Of course these moments of exhilaration when I succeed in defeating my multiple enemies are punctuated by the occasional "Wtf how he still HITTING me???", followed by a sigh of "oh yeah..."

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

Sablemane wrote: »

No one can honestly argue that the nightblade community isn't full of *** and vinegar now. If we get the attention from the developers we crave then watch out Nirn!! I pushed ahead and played my DW Khajiit last night despite the issues and I must admit he is one gimpy badass. My fighting style has evolved with the kicks to the face and maybe, just maybe am becoming a better fighter. Of course these moments of exhilaration when I succeed in defeating my multiple enemies are punctuated by the occasional "Wtf how he still HITTING me???", followed by a sigh of "oh yeah..."

I play DW NB too, the ONLY way I survive multiple vt enemies is Batswarm, then Whirlwind Morph, plus Invig drain to recover stam. But as a NB I try to avoid aggro, but it seems our broken stealth is getting me into a lot more trouble.

kijima · September 2014

Stealth, Cloak, Concealed Weapon all broke.

But NB's are fine... Honest!

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

It seems now ESO staff and devs know about this issue, and this is the main thread for it, so make sure to bookmark while we await feedback.

Still awaiting this issue to be posted in the Known Issues section.

Garetth · September 2014

Under the "known issues" they listed the problem as "the detection area has increased." This just proves that they don't have a flying [snip] of an idea what is wrong.

Here let me help.

1) Concealed Weapon skill is broken...it no longer gives a speed boost when stealthed.
2) Stealth passives are broken and no longer work.
3) Stealth bonuses on armor sets are broken and no longer work.
4) Disguises are broken and no longer work.
5) NB weapon damage is broken and has been reduced sustantially.

The NB issues CANNOT be attributable to a "detection area increase" issue that you claim to be investigating!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Tavore1138 · September 2014

Agreed it is armour & armour set passives affecting detection radius that are broken, vanilla detection range seems unchanged.

Damage does 'seem' lower but this could be reduction in crits if medium armour passives are all damaged.

Synozeer · September 2014

Another "bug" (although it may be working as intended, not sure) that hasn't been mentioned is Shadowy Cloak, which gives you 100% crit for the duration of your invis. However, this crit bonus only appears to work with attacks that go off before knocking you out of invis.

As some examples, it doesn't work with Strife, Crippling Grasp, destro staff light attack, but does work with resto staff light attack, Impale, Ambush, Concealed Weapon.

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

Garetth wrote: »

Under the "known issues" they listed the problem as "the detection area has increased." This just proves that they don't have a flying fu8k of an idea what is wrong.

Here let me help.

1) Concealed Weapon skill is broken...it no longer gives a speed boost when stealthed.
2) Stealth passives are broken and no longer work.
3) Stealth bonuses on armor sets are broken and no longer work.
4) Disguises are broken and no longer work.
5) NB weapon damage is broken and has been reduced sustantially.

The NB issues CANNOT be attributable to a "detection area increase" issue that you claim to be investigating!

I specifically want to see "Nightblades stealth bonus not applying" as this is the cause. It should be obvious the radius is increased, which I am completely fine with them making harder for other classes to sneak, so long as we get our bonus and excel at sneaking. So to me the radius is know, but the issue is why we aren't benefiting from all the passives. Since currently a new toon and maxed NB's detection seems to be nearly the same.

Edit: In regards to Concealed Wep, since I only used that with my vamp passive (no armor) my speed still feels the same, BUT the buff is always getting knocked off so I have to re sneak to get it back.

Tavore1138 · September 2014

NB - just to eliminate anything tried stealthing naked and stealthing with 5 medium armour plus 3 pc Nightshade and detection occurs at exactly the same range.

ZOS_GinaBruno · September 2014

Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:

Race
Class
Armor and weapons equipped
Slotted passives

Also, if you've submitted a /bug about this, please pass along the reference number if you have it.

Thanks in advance!

Tavore1138 · September 2014

Imperial
NB VR13
3 items from vr10 version of Nightshade set golden
6 items from vr12 Nights Silence set golden
5 armour pieces are medium, 2 are heavy
No passives in my skills bar but I have all NB passives at max, all DW passives at mac, all medium armour passives at max, first 3 heavy armour passives at max. Obviously I have lots other ones in guild, racial, crafting etc if you need the details I will supply them.

I don't have my first ticket but submitted a new one with some additional testing 140918-001188

Sneak_Thief · September 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, we're trying to nail out this issue but would like a bit of information from you all to help speed things along. Could you please tell us the following about your character:
Race

Class

Armor and weapons equipped

Slotted passives

Also, if you've submitted a /bug about this, please pass along the reference number if you have it.

Thanks in advance!

Race: Wood Elf
Class: NB
Subclass: Vampire
Weapon: Dual Wield 2 daggers

Armor: Medium 7pc
Armor Sets: Vampire Kiss 5pc, Song of Lamea 2pc, Oblivions Foe 2 pc

Passives
All Elf Racial
All Medium Armor
All Vampire
All Nighblade Shadow Passives (and others)