timidobserver wrote: »

I am really enjoying my new level 16 NB alt, but all of the complaints and constantly broken and rebroken abilities are really tempting me to just reroll as a DK before I get to far along.

Stick with it my young nightblade. Now your enemies blood will only taste sweeter, because youre the underdog and you still beat them.

yeah, i noticed that the class feels way too tampered with. I too enjoyed my NB but i am finding them the class i am playing less and less.

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmmm, apparently a lot of bad NB's here. Skills need some fixing at least in the "working correctly" dept. But as a vr10 NB I do insane dps in pve and I easily hold hold my own in PvP. Not sure what you guys are doing wrong. I hate to say it but l2p. Threatening to cancel sub is pretty lame. Jeez, back when I played Aion for instance I was a spirit master and it took forever for the revs to fix the class (way longer than its been for this game), but it all worked out in the end. Chill out and keep brining up broken mechanics like you're all doing so they can be fixed.

These are NB that merely want to play as their skill sets suggest and read. That you adapted your build and style has no bearing WHATSOEVER on their justification to criticize ZoS for [snip] up their class. The NB community has been more than patient on this matter and for the most part taken ZoS at their word they were going to fix these things. At this point they have every right to be pissed.

Ya, they are "bad NB's" because their primary skill sets keep getting FUBARED. Go away with your L2P BS.

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Agree with OP, Nightblades need changes that make them feel different from the other classes, Nightblades need their strengths played to.

Sneak detection rates should be way less than any other class.
Sneak speed should be way better than any other class. (Incl. Vampires)

I mentioned this in another thread but I'll repeat it here: 25% Sneak Speed from CW passive is pathetic and barely noticeable. It should be 2x that to make it worthwhile.

Dark Stalker should be a Nightblade passive in the Shadow tree, not a Vampire one. "Gain 60% sneak speed while a Shadow ability is slotted." Or even in a similar way to CW; "When Dark cloak is slotted gain 60% sneak speed."

As for Vampires; Dark Stalker should be replaced with a passive "Gain xxx% speed whilst sprinting." From a lore perspective this would make more sense. It's common knowledge that Vamps have super speed.

As it stands, the choice for Nightblades is: "Be a vampire OR wear this crappy armor" Personally I hate being a vampire, it ruins my look! My tree hugging, forest loving Bosmer would never choose that life. I have a hard enough time getting med armor to work without having to wear a specific set.

It's fundamentally unfair that non Nightblade classes can be better at doing Nightblade stuff than actual Nightblades.

Spectrasoul wrote: »

Agree with OP, Nightblades need changes that make them feel different from the other classes, Nightblades need their strengths played to.

Sneak detection rates should be way less than any other class.
Sneak speed should be way better than any other class. (Incl. Vampires)

I mentioned this in another thread but I'll repeat it here: 25% Sneak Speed from CW passive is pathetic and barely noticeable. It should be 2x that to make it worthwhile.

Dark Stalker should be a Nightblade passive in the Shadow tree, not a Vampire one. "Gain 60% sneak speed while a Shadow ability is slotted." Or even in a similar way to CW; "When Dark cloak is slotted gain 60% sneak speed."

As for Vampires; Dark Stalker should be replaced with a passive "Gain xxx% speed whilst sprinting." From a lore perspective this would make more sense. It's common knowledge that Vamps have super speed.

As it stands, the choice for Nightblades is: "Be a vampire OR wear this crappy armor" Personally I hate being a vampire, it ruins my look! My tree hugging, forest loving Bosmer would never choose that life. I have a hard enough time getting med armor to work without having to wear a specific set.

It's fundamentally unfair that non Nightblade classes can be better at doing Nightblade stuff than actual Nightblades.

Agree 100%, Its so easy to be a NB with any non NB. How many of us does there need to be so ZOS would open their damn ears and start listening.

Pibbles wrote: »

I can confirm this is broken for me also. I cannot necessarily feed when approaching an individual from behind, when there is a group I definitely cannot. This despite being a maxed out VR6 NB.

Would be good to get a statement from ZoS on this, I cannot imagine this is intended behaviour.

And that for me is the biggest part, with groups of 3 or more all having eyes in the back of their heads now, means getting that 1500 hit to start off, isn't happening, nor am I likely to get that feed in.

So many little glitches, it's hard to know where to begin.

I have noticed since patch that NPCs in Cyrodiil have a HUGE stealth detection range now. I can get spotted by a tower guard on a keep and have to run halfway to another keep to clear the in combat status in order to stealth again.

Seems tower mages also got a spell range boost, as said keep tower mages continued to fire spells at me when I was all the way back at the nearest friendly resource.

Also any word on when NPCs will stop being able to shoot you through walls and floors?

Volla wrote: »

i play for fun. not for being a 1337 super player. just have fun guys. make the best of it. make the suggestions in a constructive manners mayby we will get some good changes in the end

We have been making complaints in a mainly constructive manner for several months and if anything my NB gets worse after every major update.

I see these anecdotes of people getting pwned in PvP by Nightblades and then claim that the class is not broken and in some cases claim it's even OP. What they don't realize is that any newb with a bow could do the exact same thing. There is nothing special or unique about Nightblades. They have completely castrated our class defining ability which should be a 100% successful invisibility that cannot be broken or seen through. All of our defensive buffs are a complete joke and are not worth the slot they take up. I had hope for this class but that is starting to completely dwindle.

Stealth is now broken for me too. I often cant feed- I get detected before the option comes up (and I am a 7 piece medium NB vamp with all passives), mobs detect me much further out than they did before 1.4 (I enter a room I used to be able to sneak through and they are on me) and after hearing another of my guild members mention that it is even worse in Cyrodiil, I tested it out and sure enough... it is worse there. I cant snipe an NPC from stealth. Even at that range I am detected before I can get a shot off. I am really curious what it is that the developers have against nightblades....or are they punishing us for complaining about the broken cloaks? I gotta admit that I am just about ready to step away from the game. It is to the point that it is causing more frustration than fun.

It seems like when they do updates they don't even bother to test NB. I'm starting to wonder if anyone on the Dev team even has a NB on their test servers.

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Combined with this: Nightblade cloak even worse than before! and this: Night's Silence and Vampires, I am on the verge of just deleting my v12 Vampire Nightblade.

Don't delete your character, delete your sub and tell them you'll be back when they un-screw Night Blades.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I am downloading archeage right now. A good friend will be playing it too, so maybe I will give it a shot. Not 100% sold yet (the founder armor looks sexist as hell, I would aim right for that lady's crotch because it has no armor other than that loin cloth) I have heard it's hard to get a leg up if you don't get in on the ground floor. So we'll see. It releases today in a couple of hours I think.

I will be reconsidering my paid sub to this game, but I am not completely giving up yet. It is really hard to switch to a new game when you are already established on another one.

I'm doing the same.. especially as ZOS hasn't said a DAMNED thing about this.

Redonculous!