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Will you cancel your subscription if the VR14 change is launched?
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Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo, but I was planning to stop playing ESO soon anyways, I've been playing every day since early access and it's starting to get boring. This just hastens my decision, I might come back when Champion system is in.
Good game, it's just getting too repetitive after 5-6 months non-stop :PEdited by Lord_Draevan on August 22, 2014 9:14PMI'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server0 -
kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoLooks like you got your answer 620 votes as no.
Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesOkay I've changed my mind now that I know vet ranks will eventually go away. Still pretty unhappy about Craglorn upper though. As well as arenas and a new trait only available through hard arenas. I shouldn't have to pve to craft. It's a punishment and it's garbage. They'd never do that kind of thing but for pvp.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yessmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Okay I've changed my mind now that I know vet ranks will eventually go away. Still pretty unhappy about Craglorn upper though. As well as arenas and a new trait only available through hard arenas. I shouldn't have to pve to craft. It's a punishment and it's garbage. They'd never do that kind of thing but for pvp.
they dont know how to properly blend Crafting and PVE. If they want to go the route of crafted being the most powerful .they need to remove purple and gold mats from node refinement, and put them in Vr goup dungeons , more powerful world bosses and Weekly solo reward quests.
The horrible thing is it currently is so imbalanced to a pure crafting stand point PVE content has become an illegitimate child that the rewards are basically scraps for the ***.1 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesWifeaggro13 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Okay I've changed my mind now that I know vet ranks will eventually go away. Still pretty unhappy about Craglorn upper though. As well as arenas and a new trait only available through hard arenas. I shouldn't have to pve to craft. It's a punishment and it's garbage. They'd never do that kind of thing but for pvp.
they dont know how to properly blend Crafting and PVE. If they want to go the route of crafted being the most powerful .they need to remove purple and gold mats from node refinement, and put them in Vr goup dungeons , more powerful world bosses and Weekly solo reward quests.
The horrible thing is it currently is so imbalanced to a pure crafting stand point PVE content has become an illegitimate child that the rewards are basically scraps for the ***.
No I don't agree with that at all. I don't want to have to PvE to craft IN ANY FORM. No one is required to PvP to craft, after all, and people would cry so hard if they had to.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Why you could buy your purples of a broker or from a player just like the PVE players that dont craft. hell i have to buy stuff all the time form crafter's because im primarily a PVE player. So its good one way but not the other?smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Okay I've changed my mind now that I know vet ranks will eventually go away. Still pretty unhappy about Craglorn upper though. As well as arenas and a new trait only available through hard arenas. I shouldn't have to pve to craft. It's a punishment and it's garbage. They'd never do that kind of thing but for pvp.
they dont know how to properly blend Crafting and PVE. If they want to go the route of crafted being the most powerful .they need to remove purple and gold mats from node refinement, and put them in Vr goup dungeons , more powerful world bosses and Weekly solo reward quests.
The horrible thing is it currently is so imbalanced to a pure crafting stand point PVE content has become an illegitimate child that the rewards are basically scraps for the ***.
No I don't agree with that at all. I don't want to have to PvE to craft IN ANY FORM. No one is required to PvP to craft, after all, and people would cry so hard if they had to.
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesWifeaggro13 wrote: »
Why you could buy your purples of a broker or from a player just like the PVE players that dont craft. hell i have to buy stuff all the time form crafter's because im primarily a PVE player. So its good one way but not the other?smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Okay I've changed my mind now that I know vet ranks will eventually go away. Still pretty unhappy about Craglorn upper though. As well as arenas and a new trait only available through hard arenas. I shouldn't have to pve to craft. It's a punishment and it's garbage. They'd never do that kind of thing but for pvp.
they dont know how to properly blend Crafting and PVE. If they want to go the route of crafted being the most powerful .they need to remove purple and gold mats from node refinement, and put them in Vr goup dungeons , more powerful world bosses and Weekly solo reward quests.
The horrible thing is it currently is so imbalanced to a pure crafting stand point PVE content has become an illegitimate child that the rewards are basically scraps for the ***.
No I don't agree with that at all. I don't want to have to PvE to craft IN ANY FORM. No one is required to PvP to craft, after all, and people would cry so hard if they had to.
You make it sound like I don't have to do that as a pvp'r lol. I have to do that too. I don't think you should get an advantage over my style of play. Both are valid.
I get all my mats from hirelings tbh.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoVoted no but I'm not too happy about it. I don't really care about the grinding part but I hate when MMOs start arbitrarily raising the level cap without any need to do so. Even with small raises in levels it immediately starts trivializing all the current PvE content (unless they plan to scale the content up to the new max level). Why would they do that so soon when they are just starting to add more PvE content? Instead of adding to current content it ends up shrinking what there is to choose from unless you want to do content that is meant for lower levels.
Level cap increase should be reserved for a much later date that is tied to some huge expansion or content once the game has been out a significant amount of time IMO.2 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yessmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »
Why you could buy your purples of a broker or from a player just like the PVE players that dont craft. hell i have to buy stuff all the time form crafter's because im primarily a PVE player. So its good one way but not the other?smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Okay I've changed my mind now that I know vet ranks will eventually go away. Still pretty unhappy about Craglorn upper though. As well as arenas and a new trait only available through hard arenas. I shouldn't have to pve to craft. It's a punishment and it's garbage. They'd never do that kind of thing but for pvp.
they dont know how to properly blend Crafting and PVE. If they want to go the route of crafted being the most powerful .they need to remove purple and gold mats from node refinement, and put them in Vr goup dungeons , more powerful world bosses and Weekly solo reward quests.
The horrible thing is it currently is so imbalanced to a pure crafting stand point PVE content has become an illegitimate child that the rewards are basically scraps for the ***.
No I don't agree with that at all. I don't want to have to PvE to craft IN ANY FORM. No one is required to PvP to craft, after all, and people would cry so hard if they had to.
You make it sound like I don't have to do that as a pvp'r lol. I have to do that too. I don't think you should get an advantage over my style of play. Both are valid.
I get all my mats from hirelings tbh.
You guys are always selling the PVP gear come on now. in all honesty End game four man PVE is by far the least rewarding activity in the game. the only thing worthwhile in PVe is the trial gear which is as good or slightly better then best crafted. im not crying cause i cant buy alliance gear with my PVE gold or cant earn aliance points from PVE. its always a one way street with people . PVE content is pointless.1 -
Probitas✭✭✭NoMMO=MAX LEVEL=GEAR GRIND=SLIDING RULE
'nuff said
Maybe a grind wouldn't be such a pain if we had a working economy where there was a location all players could go to and see what other players had for sale, instead of having to constantly spend game time shopping at different vendors to see what they have. Who the hell thought shopping would be fun in an MMO??!!
Slap that person, hard.Edited by Probitas on August 23, 2014 3:24AM1 -
Melian✭✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
I really have to spell it out for you that much?
Two levels in three months. That's eight a year. Other games add more. It's quite normal.0 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
It doesn't matter if they added one level or one hundred levels. It equates to too frequent of gear resets, which is the real problem.Maverick827 wrote: »
I really have to spell it out for you that much?
Two levels in three months. That's eight a year. Other games add more. It's quite normal.0 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭NoHi all,
I rarely am one for rage-posts and in most cases I'm a fairly peaceful forum lurker, however this recent news of the incoming increase to VR ranks has really effected my desire to play this game any longer.
Many of us have already spoken our minds in other threads on this topic however I think it's important that ZOS understands how strongly some of us feel about this topic.
I will be cancelling my subscription if I feel that I am in any way forced to grind gear and/or further VR levels to competitively PvP.
What will you be doing and why?
Rephrase the poll question to reflect a clear understanding of what is coming up...'CHANGE' is just slinging mud on something you don't want to see first, or would prefer seeing later, after your desired content goals are met.
What exactly do you mean by the 'fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »Because you're insisting that this type of content doesn't belong in MMOs, several others show you're simply wrong. Group content is fine, a level-cap without any non-group content isn't.
The 'G' in MMORPG doesn't stand for group.
The G doesn't stand for Solo either. In fact...the MMO part stands for Massively Multiplayer which means co-op play which means group.
When you play multiplayer version of Call of Duty...do you wander off in the corner and do your own thing, or do you play in a group? Because last time I checked Multiplayer encourages group play.
Again if you want to level without group play, well then that's why TES has several single player RPG titles.
I don't work for ZOS and am not a hardcore fanboy, but I accept the reality of the situation which is in fine print in most disclaimers "Your Game experience may change over time."
An MMO is a multiplayer game with some solo features. It is NOT a solo game with some multiplayer (or grouping) features. Learn to accept an MMO for what it is. There's that sayin' "You cant make a *** a housewife" or something like that. In other words, it is what it is.
Let me also make note- Due to my work schedule, I can only play around 5am on the NA server (EST time). Ya, not a whole lot going on in Craglorn at that hour. Having time to find groups is a challenge for me. But I am not complaining.
I want to say your post is friggin awesome FunkheaD. I'll do so after I reword one sentence: "There's that sayin' "You can't make that eye-candy-male plaything a house-husband" or something like that."
Ah, now I seriously feel like smiling
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Now, Makkir: PvE Grouping playstyle is what ZOS spent months and years of promo's, advertising and forward interviews describing this MMO. They also planned to and have incorporated solo play (*Much More Than I Personally Ever Expected Or Desired since that basically was done via backtracking on original design ideas
) - and highlighting PvP, exploration, crafting etc - other playstyles encompassed in this MMO, but nowhere was there ever a mention of
solo-centric being the primary goal of the game. (*) Its not. And just a personal observation; its not gonna be.
Edited by Anastasia on August 23, 2014 9:29AM0 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoHi all,
I rarely am one for rage-posts and in most cases I'm a fairly peaceful forum lurker, however this recent news of the incoming increase to VR ranks has really effected my desire to play this game any longer.
Many of us have already spoken our minds in other threads on this topic however I think it's important that ZOS understands how strongly some of us feel about this topic.
I will be cancelling my subscription if I feel that I am in any way forced to grind gear and/or further VR levels to competitively PvP.
What will you be doing and why?
What do you mean with "if"?
This is already done. Phase 1 is done, and this is phase 2.
I'm a nice guy, I'll give you a recap whats coming in the near future. And AFTER that, there will be more, and more, and more.
http://dulfy.net/2014/07/18/eso-quakecon-the-future-of-eso-panel-notes/#Veteran_System_with_Paul_Sage
And to be even more nice, ESO will keep adding stuffs after this. For years......
The base character development in ESO is that you will have a never ending way to develop your char. They just don't release all at once. New things every 4-6 weeks.
One thing annoys me with this. When you cancel your subscription and go play....I don't know, Wow? And then come back in 6 months, to a game with 6 more expansions in it. You do not have to pay for those expansions!!! You only resub and get it all for free! I think if someone cancel, they should PAY for the expansions, just like in WoW!Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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Aziz006✭✭✭NoSeasoned gear is common for all MMOs. Believe me it is painful news if you have tons of vr12 sets and 3 builds. I wish deconstructing was more rewarding1 -
Stonesthrow✭✭✭✭Nosmeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »No I don't agree with that at all. I don't want to have to PvE to craft IN ANY FORM. No one is required to PvP to craft, after all, and people would cry so hard if they had to.
People will have to PvP a little bit at times, most likely when the new crafting table goes in the Imperial City as a lot of people are going to want it. Getting in the first time and anytime ownership changes will require fighting, unless they have a way all the wussies can bail when they hear someone knocking on the gate…
The new material is only going to be available in upper crag area though, so gonna have to buy or farm that PvE style.0 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesMaverick827 wrote: »
It doesn't matter if they added one level or one hundred levels. It equates to too frequent of gear resets, which is the real problem.Maverick827 wrote: »
I really have to spell it out for you that much?
Two levels in three months. That's eight a year. Other games add more. It's quite normal.
Its not a problem if there was actual content to aquire the gear or, it's less of a problem. all this is is a harvest time sink. If they were adding VR ranks with no 4 man instances , real , 8 ,12 and 24 man content that was more then zerg trials. right now they add an area with no viable reward system other then trials. Delves that drop standard purples and are so easy they devalue the aesthetics. the current 4 man VR dungeosn un scaled and irrrelevant . then yes this is clearly a gear reset to extend the life of their game. it will only last as long as it takes for people to aquire the trait make the sets and harvest material.Edited by Wifeaggro13 on August 27, 2014 10:29PM0 -
FunkheaD✭✭✭YesI'll necro post this, but the fact this patch has gone forward as planned is now enough for me to cancel my sub. I may look at the game again in the future if PvP becomes less about wearing the latest VR armour set and less zerg based.5 -
zbtiqua✭✭✭NoHi all,
I rarely am one for rage-posts and in most cases I'm a fairly peaceful forum lurker, however this recent news of the incoming increase to VR ranks has really effected my desire to play this game any longer.
Many of us have already spoken our minds in other threads on this topic however I think it's important that ZOS understands how strongly some of us feel about this topic.
I will be cancelling my subscription if I feel that I am in any way forced to grind gear and/or further VR levels to competitively PvP.
What will you be doing and why?
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indigoblades✭✭✭UndecidedOn one hand, i pisses me off they are raising levels faster than i am leveling.......... on the other hand two level increases hardly has an effect, 1% i am reading that is about what i notice..... gear bonus have a greater effect than gear level, so i often wear gear mutiple levels below me because i am too lazy to remake the gear.
Only reason this makes any sense is so u get to level some when doing new content.............. of course it will be months if ever before i do the new content because it is all group content that encourages mindless grinding for levels. Looks to me like more craiglorn type grind stuff. Nothing new to date for pvpers or solo players. Lots of players are solo because grouping is broken.
Oh will i cancel my sub........ not this alone, but i will say each bad release has caused me to drop accounts........ i started this game giving ZOS lots of money., hoping it would be a great game in year. I bought 3 imperial editions, and paid for 3 accounts hoping friends & relatives would play.... none like it but i kept paying them saying i would either create alts or maybe talk someone into playing ..... Release 1.2 pissed me off so i dropped an account............. this release pissed me off so dropped another account............................. i am down to my last account and only logging in daily to get hireling mail.......... i haven't even bothered to fix my setting they reset, i just dont care anymore.
Edited by indigoblades on September 16, 2014 8:27AM1 -
NoThis sounds like a "I'm going to quit if I don't get given my stuff for free type of post
" We all have to earn our gear one way or another.
If I go to work and my boss says you have to work harder today to earn promotion I wouldn't quit my job for another QQ
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TheForFeeF✭✭✭NoWell I voted no because, even though the constant level cap rise is getting annoying, it's going to change before the end of the year anyway (hello champion system).
Personally, if you are getting worked up and cancelling your subscription over something that will change in 6-12 weeks then be my guest. I really couldn't care less. You are leaving over something stupid IMO. I get it, you don't like increased levels. But, its changing soon; you are pretty much saying:
You: "Stop increasing levels!"
ZOS: "OK, here is the Champion System, it'll be released before the end of the year"
ZOS: "We released Upper Craglorn, and due to this, we increased the level cap.This means you can still earn XP towards Champion Points."
You: "Stop increasing levels!"
The only reason they increased the level cap is so people can still earn XP whilst playing the new area. I believe once the Champion System is in place, everyone will have their XP converted into the right amount of Champion Points. So, if they didn't increase the VR level cap, people would be hesitant on playing Upper Craglorn as they wouldn't be earning XP. Simple as really.
I agree they should've brought out the Champion System before any more world expansions. But, it is keeping the game fresh. Leaving over this is just silly really. You are getting what you wanted.0 -
NoThe champion system will be based around seasonal gear anyway.
If you dislike having to redo your gear regularly, then you might as well unsubscribe because you will hate the champion system as well.3 -
Mondo✭✭✭✭NoBut not every 2-3 month !Im not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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tigerblood✭✭UndecidedI bought a full set of legendary. Replacing it will require more grinding and too soon. I left pvp to grind since we all know pvp xp is too low. Anyway, last night's grind was like a bad day at work but I just want to be on a level playing field in pvp...not gimped. If hate the pve in this game though and I just don't like the grouping experience. Not doing it. If there was a dynamic group join system then that would be better.
I'm probably out now that I can turn to some other games. They pumped us for our money and even the $15/mo is not enough to pay for quality upgrades it seems. Don't expect it to get better. It's feeling like the mmo pump and dump. Harsh but just my opinion.2 -
NukaCola✭✭✭They need to add the option to upgrade your items VR rank with materials. Then it doesn't matter if they add a level every week.1
