seducer 5 piece is godlike if u have robe n stick like me ........... i havent even tried it with warlock but its not hard to find 3 good more triat matches either willow, lamia .............. enchant jewelry with spell reduction and i can spam magicka for ever............ but godforbid if move faster in sneak than a someone running or the slowest horse ................ that will supposedly completely break the game (sarcasm).

Stx wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Ohioastro wrote: »

No, saying that you remove a penalty twice does not, for normal English usage, imply that you end up pole-vaulting over the penalty to get a bonus.

Except it only says it removes the penalty once and that's for the shadow dancer raiment set bonus. Night's silence set increases stealth by 60%, and dark stalker says increases stealth speed and increases the speed to enter stealth. So do tell me about normal english usage.

In my mind, it is pretty obvious that Dark stalker should cancel Night's silence out.

Stealth speed is what? 50% of normal speed. So if you increase that by 60% you are making that, what? 80% of normal speed while stealthed? Dark stalker removes the penalty, putting you at 100% speed, so it basically eclipses Night's silence.

If you thought that it was the other way around, that you could remove the penalty and then ADD to your speed after that, then I guess I just dont think like you. Because to me its obvious stealth should never be that fast, and it was always kind of obvious to me that Night's silence was a way for humans to compete with vampires for stealth speed.

It's obvious to me that you:
1. Didn't know a thing about the Night's Silence set before the devs lowered its original advertised speed bonus and made the set actually work.
2. That you obviously know sooo much about what goes on in the minds of the developers that maybe you should be one. Of course, I'm joking. Go start your own game and quit complaining about the things other people enjoy about this game that you do not enjoy.
3. You are another of the handful of epeen waving, blubbering nerf-herders calling for bans/nerfs to every piece of game code YOU personally do not use, or like being part of this game.

I have the solution to all this whining from NBs here:

Zenimax, please change stealth mechanicsto the same status other MMOGs have. In stealth - 30% run speed. With a bonus either from item bonus or skill bonus stealther can bring up their run speed in stealth to a maximum of 100% of normal run speed. In a lot of other MMO(RP)Gs his works fine since more than 10 years. Period.

naatokb14_ESO wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

Ouch. I didn't once complain in this topic, try again.

I also do have a crafted Night's silence set, and used it pre-patch. Try again.

You are so upset that you blindly insult anyone who even slightly disagrees with your opinion on the matter. Good luck bro, I guess you'll have to travel out in the open like everyone else now.

Uh, yeah Stx, you did. Not this thread perhaps, but you harp against EVERYTHING vampire on this forum.

And naah, I'll pass on the traveling in the open thing. What will probably happen is I will either decon my NS set and craft one to boost my weapon critical chance to over 70% like every other fracking twink NB out there, or retire my NB and level my sorc and twink that one out like every other twink sorc skirt/stick in PvP.

Do you NOT see what is happening here? Because of the e-peen waving baddies who just cannot accept someone having a build they don't use doing something they cannot do, we are going to be down to 4 builds/sets, 1 per class, and you won't see anything different.

Whiners who cry "nerf!" ruin MMOs. This isn't the first MMO I've seen it happen in.

You keep calling people whiners... but the only people on this forum I see 'whining' are players who used to use Night's Silence to break the sound barrier while invisible.

Why are you taking this so personal? When have I spoken out against Vampires? You want the truth... I think there are too many damn Vamps in this game. I think the positives of being a vampire far outweigh the negatives. My main character was a vampire for about 10 of his 20 hours /played. I used Night's Silence. Literally the only reason I am not a vampire right now is because I don't want to be one. My character would 100% be more powerful if he was a Vampire. EVERYONE would be, because Vamps are stupid strong.

Yeah, sacrificing a ring slot for a kickass health stealing ultimate + drain skill, and much faster stealth is totally a hard choice. Oh, and better sta/magicka regen too. Because losing health regen in this game is so terrible right?

That's not even the point. You blatantly insult anyone who doesn't agree with you, and you will never ever make a valid point as long as you do that.

It is very clear and obvious to me that Night's silence stacking with the vamp passive was way too good. For balance reasons, for immersion reasons, and for technical reasons. I have never seen an MMO, that would EVER allow you to constantly move faster in stealth than what is possible out of stealth, or sprinting, or MOUNTED. Yes I am aware that apple stacked horses can sprint faster, whoopdie freaken do, the ridiculousness stands.

I get it guys, the set was FUN to play with. I had a lot of fun with it. It sucks that it got nerfed, if you used it as your main set. Personally I couldn't.

I stand by my opinion. I won't argue about it. ZoS has made their move... it may not be the most consistent move, but its the right one, in my opinion.

KenjiJU wrote: »

OP has a point. Time to nerf magicka regen too.

SIGNED I mean if we are being fair then hopefully they are considering exactly this....time to nerf stamina stacking too....and any other stacking mechanic

indigoblades wrote: »

With Seducer and other magicka bonus armors, I can stack magicka regin and spell reduction enough to spam anything as fast as cooldown. ................ Thats pretty OP in my opinion but stacking sneak speed for vamp with night silence is out of balance ???? That makes no sense, its an out of combat skill, yet i can stack other things that give me huge PVP in combat advantages ..... I really dont think they have a clue. People asked if the stacking was ok when night silence was released on PTS in 1.3 and Zos said it was working as intended and now they nerf it.

I just made a sorc so I can BE faster than a horse... If you can't beat 'em join 'em!

Nihil wrote: »

I will just post a question here, for all those who like the stacking of the set, how would you feel if everyone was using it for purposes that was proposed on this forum. Switching to it to travel long distance in stealth then switching out when you get to your destination? Wouldn't this cause a large hindrance for all the stealth attackers, as their will be drastically less visible targets to attack with stealth?

It's known as guerrilla warfare and is a time honored tactic. Used to be both sides of an army would dress up in colorful uniforms and go face off on an open field and just shoot each other. Then somebody got smart and said, "Screw THAT BS!" and started taking shots with their longer ranged squirrely rifles from the cover of the woods. Having to deal with stealthers is just part of combat. Just like those uber-stealthy vamps have to deal with being burned to ash in a matter of mere moments when they ARE caught.

As to switching gear when you get closer to the battle, well you have to let that gear take up space in your inventory AND you have to take the time to switch out at least 5 pieces as a rule. That is plenty of time for someone to catch you, wreck you, and send you back to the rez. I honestly don't see it as a big deal. BUT if ya'll cry about it hard enough I suppose ZoS could put a restriction on Cyrodil that, once you enter the zone, you are in the armor you're in and you can't change it anywhere but your area's stronghold or forward camp.

ZOS hates stamina and any tactic of play other than Robe/Staff. It is sad, it will probably end up being the death of the game but they totally have their heads in the sand on the issue.

Nihil wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nihil wrote: »

I will just post a question here, for all those who like the stacking of the set, how would you feel if everyone was using it for purposes that was proposed on this forum. Switching to it to travel long distance in stealth then switching out when you get to your destination? Wouldn't this cause a large hindrance for all the stealth attackers, as their will be drastically less visible targets to attack with stealth?

It's known as guerrilla warfare and is a time honored tactic. Used to be both sides of an army would dress up in colorful uniforms and go face off on an open field and just shoot each other. Then somebody got smart and said, "Screw THAT BS!" and started taking shots with their longer ranged squirrely rifles from the cover of the woods. Having to deal with stealthers is just part of combat. Just like those uber-stealthy vamps have to deal with being burned to ash in a matter of mere moments when they ARE caught.

As to switching gear when you get closer to the battle, well you have to let that gear take up space in your inventory AND you have to take the time to switch out at least 5 pieces as a rule. That is plenty of time for someone to catch you, wreck you, and send you back to the rez. I honestly don't see it as a big deal. BUT if ya'll cry about it hard enough I suppose ZoS could put a restriction on Cyrodil that, once you enter the zone, you are in the armor you're in and you can't change it anywhere but your area's stronghold or forward camp.

In pvp gear space isn't all that important, and with addons switching gear is fast, as long as you are out of combat. My comment wasn't about people going into combat, but more using it to get from base to base actually. There were people using the set just to get from one location to the next and avoid conflict on the road. If this got to be a big thing, it would mean very few people for stealth attackers to pick off on the road. I would be most concerned with the side affects this would have on cyrodil not as much as the benefits gained from the increased speed.

Like I said in an earlier post, I think they could of fixed the problem differently ( maybe make it like fiords set for stealth, reduction of sneak cost and a smaller increase in sneak movement), but looking at the longevity of cyrodil I could see this having drastic problems.

The thing is, as a percentage of the PvPing population overall, vamps using Night's Silence was not all that huge. And for the ability to travel stealthed they sacrificed a great deal of combat utility. I've been out PvPing in Cyrodil and doing the stealthy travel and I can tell you that I still saw a LOT of people on the roads and traveling through the woods and other areas. All the crying and moaning is due to the fact that some of the easiest players to kill are (or WERE) some of the most difficult players to find. But I also frequently get spotted out...and guess what happens then? That's right, my speed breaks! So the idea that this set was going to have a huge negative impact on Cyrodil and ruin it? Completely ludicrous! And this is why those of us who enjoy PvP but are primarily here to PLAY THE GAME end up hating and despising PvP and PvPers... because they are CONSTANTLY wrecking gameplay as they look for the next exploit and new ways they can "get over" on other players because gods forbid they be denied any opportunity to pwn noobs. These people are the DEATH of game after game.

eNumbra wrote: »

No sense and realism are *** excuses. One does not alter game mechanics over them.

Of course you do. Walking through walls/mountains makes no sense and isn't realistic, so they add collision detection. Staying under water for an infinite amount of time makes no sense and isn't realistic (unless you're argonian) so they add some sort of breath meter/system. Teleporting from harvest node to harvest node makes no sense and isn't realistic, so they fix the exploit and ban those who used it.

Sense and realism are extremely good reasons to alter game mechanics. Heck, that *and* balance should be the *primary* reasons to alter game mechanics.

Whisper292 wrote: »

Your signature says "Subscription Canceled" along with a big list of reasons why. Who are you to offer solutions to this problem or ask ZoS for anything?

Atm I have still gametime left which I actively use and therefore are a paying customer. So I have the right to propose to Zenimax whatever I want. And now, you forum blackshirt go away and play with your toys instead of trying to suppress opinions which you don't like!

MornaBaine wrote: »

Just tested this on my vamp and my Night's Silence set is now COMPLETELY USELESS. Can I at least get my fraking mats back ZoS??????? I paid a boatload to have that set made and now there is ZERO point in having it. Thanks you guys! /sarcasm

My set is still working, but I'm not a vamp. Maybe your vamp abilities override the set. Or you might want to contact CS. Or you could cure your vampirism. Can't have both.

GnatB wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

No sense and realism are *** excuses. One does not alter game mechanics over them.

Of course you do. Walking through walls/mountains makes no sense and isn't realistic, so they add collision detection. Staying under water for an infinite amount of time makes no sense and isn't realistic (unless you're argonian) so they add some sort of breath meter/system. Teleporting from harvest node to harvest node makes no sense and isn't realistic, so they fix the exploit and ban those who used it.

Firstly, you quoted the wrong person.

Secondly, if there's a spell in the game with the intended consequence of giving you the ability to walk through mountains, what about that makes no sense?

Stop comparing Dark Stalker/Night's Silence to glitches; it was not a glitch, it was not unintended(unless the devs are that incompetent). DS removes the movement penalty from sneaking and NS adds a bonus to sneak speed. They were clearly affecting stealth movement speeds differently. The fact that they implemented it, were warned on test and continued on with it tells everyone exactly what it was.

Working as intended.

Personally I think Zenimax should go the way of a lot of other games and make the way skills and armor work different in PVP versus PVE. That way all the PVP balance critics would not affect my gameplay in PVE, which is what I enjoy, and I wouldn't have to read all these threads with constant bitching that this or that is overpowered. Keep it in the PVP forum please and let pvp balance issues affect things only in PVP.