ESO, Will it Last?

Mythrandeil · September 2014

Personally, I liked the game, it was fun, but to be honest, it didn't have that umph for me that Other MMO's have. While the quests are fun and interesting, they last way to long, and often make me bored after an hours worth of play. Also Instances... If only they had a group finder then maybe I would have done them all. I had to spam in trade/ zone chat to find a group, which took an hour alone, then I'd go in and there'd be phasing issues and it was a mess, (btw these problems will go back to yesterday). I'll be 100% honest, the game for me has been less and less interesting. I believe what people forget is that ZOS advertised the game as TES but online, and as any good ES fan would know, The very beauty of the game is that it is single player, which adds to the immersion. This is simply not here in ESO. To summarize my point, I feel that ESO has quests that are interesting but are long and drug out. Grouping which was a corner stone in the game is not working for many people, and the Game was advertised in a way that made people feel cheated when the game entered initial release. One more point, you can never have the same level of immersion in ESO that you can in Say ES 3, because in any mom, there are distractions such as leaderboards, gear, pvp stats, etc that keep people from overall enjoying the game.

Cheers,

Brionatic.

indigoblades · September 2014

Wont last, every major release pisses off more people than it makes satisfied.

Super_Sonico · September 2014

Not at this rate. After reading what's broken from today's update, and having finally reached end game content, I don't see why it's worth paying 15$/month for. I don't agree on F2P. I either want to pay for good content or go play something else. The latter is looking like a much better option right now. I'll still get in and play test 1.4 for a week or so... give them the chance to fix it.

But if we're still in this same cycle by Christmas (patches breaking more than they fix, no solo content, and aggrevatingly poor group content) I'll unsub and never look back.

And no, when I do unsub, I'm going to spend all my gold on stuff that's completely useless, then fill up all the guild inventories with it, just to troll. hahahaha So no, you can't have my stuff. :P

Csub · September 2014

Well most MMOs I played released updates and patches that brought new issues, I am not surprised about that. And it has been like that here too and the game hasn't died, I wonder why it would now. Yes, you might find less fun in it and it is sad but it happens, it doesn't mean everyone else will suddenly stop having as much fun as they did too.

And this "ESO does not give the same feeling as previous TES titles did" has been discussed a zillion times before, it is because it was not made by Bethesda (But I personally think ZOS mostly did a nice job) and it is an MMO, of course it has more limits than single player games and won't be 100% like that.

Voodoo · September 2014

Yes it will.

simply for no other reason than the competition is really really poor. And is looking that way for the next year atleast. F2P have ruined the MMO industry. And as such there are just too many lower end f2p MMO out there.

So I'm staying here for atleast a few more years, and by then I'm sure zos will have balanced and added enough new content and patches to satisfy those of us who despise f2p model.

radiostar · September 2014

The loot isn't as great as it was during the first few weeks, but it's still fun to play. Will last as long as it lasts

Xeres14 · September 2014

Ah yeah probably. I mean there's a good deal of people who are true fans and will keep the game afloat.

jrgray93 · September 2014

Who knows? I know every time they break the game with a new update, it is going to push more people away. Maybe it will reach a breaking point after too much of that. They're 0-4 now in that department.

I don't want to jump ship yet. I really enjoy the game when it is working.

ers101284b14_ESO · September 2014

Yes but they do need to get out the console versions and do the free trials. I mean that's just good business.

Sallington · September 2014

I'll be subscribing until the servers are shut off.
-It's my favorite video game universe
-It's the type of PvP I've been waiting for
-I can play at a casual pace and still feel like I'm progressing and having fun
-The build customization is the best I've seen
-It's a gorgeous world

Sure there's bugs and issues, but it's 6 months young. The potential of ESO 2-3 years down the road gives me butterflies.

Csub · September 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes but they do need to get out the console versions and do the free trials. I mean that's just good business.

Agreed, but then again on PC release many people wished they pushed the release away and polished it. Now that they did that with consoles, people wish they released it already and polished it meanwhile. It is never good. :P

And yes, trials, or at least refer-a-friend things would be nice, but I can already say the haters whining how the game is dying so they are giving away free trials.

Nox_Aeterna · September 2014

Personally i dont care either way.

M'Hael · September 2014

I love this game, and I want it to be great. It can be great. But I may have to turn elsewhere for a while, just to make a point. ZOS is constantly working to satisfy the Never-Ending-TES story fans, while still throwing PVP and End Game a bone now and then. The truth is they are marginally succeeding at both while pissing off nearly everyone.

What I want to see:

- abandon deep story immersion (the tens of millions spent on this already is enough until the next xpac)
- lower the time it takes to reach End Game level
- focus on creating skill-based End Game encounters
- provide some PVP alternatives (with capped weekly rewards so you don't kill Cyrodiil)
- add in tried and true tools like a group finder that works
- make dungeon loot more meaningful and consistent (no need knock crafted off it's pedestal but seriously... a blue ring without a non-enchantable stat?)

Aoife32001 · September 2014

Reading forums gives a rather skewed population sampling... Most players probably never even touch a forum. It's hard to guess simply based off of what one reads on here.

ers101284b14_ESO · September 2014

Csub wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes but they do need to get out the console versions and do the free trials. I mean that's just good business.

Agreed, but then again on PC release many people wished they pushed the release away and polished it. Now that they did that with consoles, people wish they released it already and polished it meanwhile. It is never good. :P

And yes, trials, or at least refer-a-friend things would be nice, but I can already say the haters whining how the game is dying so they are giving away free trials.

If they wait till its bug free no game would ever get released ever. People don't realize that i guess.

I don't understand the 2nd part but ok. Square gave away a free weekend on every update to Final Fantasy 14 try to get old players back. They also now have free 14 days for new players.They also do 14 free days on Final Fantasy 11. WoW does up to level 20. Wildstar did the refer a friend which didn't seem to help. My only thought about why they wouldn't is because they want to get the sales from console first. Doing the Transfer was a good idea but they shouldn't have charged $20 for it. Which really was only $5 since you get a month with it. They should have gave away the transfer and a free month and more people would have taken them up on it.

Again just my thoughts.

jrgray93 · September 2014

Aoife32001 wrote: »

Reading forums gives a rather skewed population sampling... Most players probably never even touch a forum. It's hard to guess simply based off of what one reads on here.

The ones who don't may be casuals who are far more likely to simply give up on the game the time they log in and nothing works. They also make up a great deal of the subscriber base.

daneyulebub17_ESO · September 2014

Hmmmm....

Title of post poses a question, content of post is your run of the mill wall 'o complaints about subjective, dubious and/or just weird stuff. Perhaps the title of the post was just click bait?

But... yeah, it will last.

Great game, great graphics, great quests, regular updates and lots of good stuff slated yet to come--albeit mixed in with the typical bugs, updates that break things, balance issues and UI problems that every MMO has.

Csub · September 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Csub wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes but they do need to get out the console versions and do the free trials. I mean that's just good business.

Agreed, but then again on PC release many people wished they pushed the release away and polished it. Now that they did that with consoles, people wish they released it already and polished it meanwhile. It is never good. :P

And yes, trials, or at least refer-a-friend things would be nice, but I can already say the haters whining how the game is dying so they are giving away free trials.

If they wait till its bug free no game would ever get released ever. People don't realize that i guess.

I don't understand the 2nd part but ok. Square gave away a free weekend on every update to Final Fantasy 14 try to get old players back. They also now have free 14 days for new players.They also do 14 free days on Final Fantasy 11. WoW does up to level 20. Wildstar did the refer a friend which didn't seem to help. My only thought about why they wouldn't is because they want to get the sales from console first. Doing the Transfer was a good idea but they shouldn't have charged $20 for it. Which really was only $5 since you get a month with it. They should have gave away the transfer and a free month and more people would have taken them up on it.

Again just my thoughts.

I don't understand people with that opinion either but that is probably for the better. I mean I actually read people saying that with this loyalty pet ZOS is desperately trying to get new people to the game. I couldn't believe they actually believed themselves when they wrote it. How can they think that a (pointless) vanity pet that you earn after half a year of playing would bring anyone to the game? Unless it was someone's huge dream to get an Ice Wraith pet.

I do know, of course, that trials are there for many games and they are good but try to tell this to the... I don't know how to put this nicely so I will just say "other people".

LtCrunch · September 2014

jrgray93 wrote: »

Aoife32001 wrote: »

Reading forums gives a rather skewed population sampling... Most players probably never even touch a forum. It's hard to guess simply based off of what one reads on here.

The ones who don't may be casuals who are far more likely to simply give up on the game the time they log in and nothing works. They also make up a great deal of the subscriber base.

I wouldn't say the ones who don't are casuals. Most people I talk to avoid official forums like the plague in general because it's always the centralized place for complaints and hate. The ones I know that do visit don't post and only look for official news.

ers101284b14_ESO · September 2014

Csub wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Csub wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes but they do need to get out the console versions and do the free trials. I mean that's just good business.

Agreed, but then again on PC release many people wished they pushed the release away and polished it. Now that they did that with consoles, people wish they released it already and polished it meanwhile. It is never good. :P

And yes, trials, or at least refer-a-friend things would be nice, but I can already say the haters whining how the game is dying so they are giving away free trials.

If they wait till its bug free no game would ever get released ever. People don't realize that i guess.

I don't understand the 2nd part but ok. Square gave away a free weekend on every update to Final Fantasy 14 try to get old players back. They also now have free 14 days for new players.They also do 14 free days on Final Fantasy 11. WoW does up to level 20. Wildstar did the refer a friend which didn't seem to help. My only thought about why they wouldn't is because they want to get the sales from console first. Doing the Transfer was a good idea but they shouldn't have charged $20 for it. Which really was only $5 since you get a month with it. They should have gave away the transfer and a free month and more people would have taken them up on it.

Again just my thoughts.

I don't understand people with that opinion either but that is probably for the better. I mean I actually read people saying that with this loyalty pet ZOS is desperately trying to get new people to the game. I couldn't believe they actually believed themselves when they wrote it. How can they think that a (pointless) vanity pet that you earn after half a year of playing would bring anyone to the game? Unless it was someone's huge dream to get an Ice Wraith pet.

I do know, of course, that trials are there for many games and they are good but try to tell this to the... I don't know how to put this nicely so I will just say "other people".

Well the longer the game stays up the more desperate some people are to see it fail that's why they think the ice wraith was proof. But a lot of sub based games have loyalty rewards. I know Both FF11 and 14 have it. Pretty sure Everquest had it for a while before F2P. I know there are others but I have only played a select few MMO's

Csub · September 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Csub wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Csub wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes but they do need to get out the console versions and do the free trials. I mean that's just good business.

Agreed, but then again on PC release many people wished they pushed the release away and polished it. Now that they did that with consoles, people wish they released it already and polished it meanwhile. It is never good. :P

And yes, trials, or at least refer-a-friend things would be nice, but I can already say the haters whining how the game is dying so they are giving away free trials.

If they wait till its bug free no game would ever get released ever. People don't realize that i guess.

I don't understand the 2nd part but ok. Square gave away a free weekend on every update to Final Fantasy 14 try to get old players back. They also now have free 14 days for new players.They also do 14 free days on Final Fantasy 11. WoW does up to level 20. Wildstar did the refer a friend which didn't seem to help. My only thought about why they wouldn't is because they want to get the sales from console first. Doing the Transfer was a good idea but they shouldn't have charged $20 for it. Which really was only $5 since you get a month with it. They should have gave away the transfer and a free month and more people would have taken them up on it.

Again just my thoughts.

I don't understand people with that opinion either but that is probably for the better. I mean I actually read people saying that with this loyalty pet ZOS is desperately trying to get new people to the game. I couldn't believe they actually believed themselves when they wrote it. How can they think that a (pointless) vanity pet that you earn after half a year of playing would bring anyone to the game? Unless it was someone's huge dream to get an Ice Wraith pet.

I do know, of course, that trials are there for many games and they are good but try to tell this to the... I don't know how to put this nicely so I will just say "other people".

Well the longer the game stays up the more desperate some people are to see it fail that's why they think the ice wraith was proof. But a lot of sub based games have loyalty rewards. I know Both FF11 and 14 have it. Pretty sure Everquest had it for a while before F2P. I know there are others but I have only played a select few MMO's

Yes that is also true but... haters gonna hate!

kevlarto_ESO · September 2014

ESO is going through what all new games go through, growing pains, which includes, content patches, balance passes, things will get broke, things will get fixed, all mmo's go though them, will ESO last, why not there are worst games on the market making money and doing ok.

ESO for me is till the best game out at this time I have no intrest in anything else atm. But no one knows for sure this is an answer only time will tell.

drogon1 · September 2014

LoL yet another doom and gloom thread. The game is fun for a lot of people, thus it will endure. A ton of people like it, a ton hate it - welcome to world we live in. Nothing to see here.

jrgray93 · September 2014

Brandalf wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Aoife32001 wrote: »

Reading forums gives a rather skewed population sampling... Most players probably never even touch a forum. It's hard to guess simply based off of what one reads on here.

The ones who don't may be casuals who are far more likely to simply give up on the game the time they log in and nothing works. They also make up a great deal of the subscriber base.

I wouldn't say the ones who don't are casuals. Most people I talk to avoid official forums like the plague in general because it's always the centralized place for complaints and hate. The ones I know that do visit don't post and only look for official news.

Well, I have told myself time and time again to avoid forums and here I am, five stars...

I didn't mean to imply most are like that. I just mean a great deal will be and they matter too.

KhajitFurTrader · September 2014

While of course everyone has the right to find or not find something to their liking, and talk about their opinion on a public forum, what always boggles my mind is the "I don't like it, so it must, or will, die" attitude. There's not even a single thought about the possibility that other people might see it otherwise, it's right into the doom and gloom without even a pause. I guess this comes from two factors: first, anonymity: the ability to utter statements and opinions without the fear of tangible retribution or consequences; second, confirmation bias: everything that supports the own point of view confirms it, everything that doesn't is either ignored or dismissed as being misguided. The fact that negative viewpoints tend to amplify each other much quicker and stronger than positive do doesn't really help. A third factor, spite ("If I can't enjoy it, neither should anyone else"), can and should be explained away by Hanlon's Razor.

So, @Mythrandeil‌, while it is sad that you are unable (or no longer able) to feel the same level of immersion as I did, currently do, and will do, I think it unfair to question the game's longevity, which of course no-one, not even the developers, can legitimately predict. By posing a gloomy question as you did in order to convey your opinion, you will attract (and already have attracted) people who feel drawn to this sort of gloomy outlook, and thus will confirm yours in turn, as they themselves will feel validated. This may ease up your process of letting go of the game, because if there are others who share the same outlook, you can't be the only one who feels this way, and this may strengthen your own resolve.

I hope and wish that you are able to find something that captivates your imagination, and that it will last for you. And if you find yourself consecutively disappointed by game after game after game, then maybe it's you, and not them...

Phinix1 · September 2014

They definitely need to hire a QA tester or three.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

They definitely need to hire a QA tester or three.

this. A decent QA team would do wonders and leave everyone a little less irate.

But even then, they make some of the worst decisions since that of anyone who tried to invade Russia during the winter.

PolskiBunny_ESO · September 2014

I think it will last, but at this rate maybe not as strongly as they wanted. It'll probably continue to have a devoted fan base with people trickling in and out.

It's still the beginning so it's rockier, but some of the people trying it out now are never gonna look back. Some people might trickle in and out to see how it's going.

I think it'll be able to subsist because some people are super fanboys (it's true, we have some of those!) while some people do find enough in the game that they want and they do like, love, enjoy it.

But I don't think it's everyone's cup of tea; I think a smaller base of people acquired the taste for this game than was anticipated and that is partly due to this rocky start.

KleanZlate · September 2014

Mythrandeil wrote: »

ESO, Will it Last

Yes, it will.

Next!!

Elsonso · September 2014

Mythrandeil wrote: »

ESO, Will it last?

Looks promising. Yes.

Elvent · September 2014

The way I see it is...and these are my opinions of course.

If they add more variety for different play styles for end game, yes.

If they're only going to cater to hard mode vet ranks and required grouping content, basically one specific crowd then I'm not sure...I doubt it.