Are Campaigns being reset for patch 1.4?

russb7b14_ESO · September 2014

Just curious with the changes if they are being reset?

Draxys · September 2014

I hope so. They need a fresh start.

Dleatherus · September 2014

my current understanding is that they will be removing the VR only campaign and adding another 30-day campaign

this will still leave us with 5 campaigns (2-30day, 1-14 day, 1-7 day and the nonVR campaign) when i believe that the pvp population asa whole would be better served with just 2 30 campaigns at the moment, period

once they show that they are filled on a constant basis THEN introduce new campaigns

until then enjoy folks coming into other campaigns with emperor bonuses, guesting en masse to another campaign to cause temporary imbalances, and a diminished amount of emperor farming

D.

Braidas · September 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

my current understanding is that they will be removing the VR only campaign and adding another 30-day campaign

this will still leave us with 5 campaigns (2-30day, 1-14 day, 1-7 day and the nonVR campaign) when i believe that the pvp population asa whole would be better served with just 2 30 campaigns at the moment, period

once they show that they are filled on a constant basis THEN introduce new campaigns

until then enjoy folks coming into other campaigns with emperor bonuses, guesting en masse to another campaign to cause temporary imbalances, and a diminished amount of emperor farming

D.

pretty sure emperor farming is done at this point

Dleatherus · September 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

my current understanding is that they will be removing the VR only campaign and adding another 30-day campaign

this will still leave us with 5 campaigns (2-30day, 1-14 day, 1-7 day and the nonVR campaign) when i believe that the pvp population asa whole would be better served with just 2 30 campaigns at the moment, period

once they show that they are filled on a constant basis THEN introduce new campaigns

until then enjoy folks coming into other campaigns with emperor bonuses, guesting en masse to another campaign to cause temporary imbalances, and a diminished amount of emperor farming

D.

pretty sure emperor farming is done at this point

agreed - for the most part yes

i hear every now and then of short bursts of it when a buff/dead campaign resets

it boils down to this i believe:

the remaining PvP population left is very small

the majority of cheats/guilds who engaged in this activity already have achieved what they wanted - so for now it's not fixed, rather in a 'dormant' stage - which i hope doesn't change

D.

Cody · September 2014

No. we lose a buff sever(good thing), gain a new campaign, and the rest of the campaigns are left to their impulse blobing ways.

SeltzerDuke · September 2014

Haha, figures, I dropped 5k into setting up Bow for my home once this Chill cycle comes to an end because I can't deal with the Thorn lag/ability lock/rubberbanding and I keep thinking the potential of an all-vet campaign with a short cycle (every single objective has greater significance towards points and less potential for troll camping possibly given the level requirement) surely has to entice some players sooner or later. Not to mention I thought maybe blue will eventually get bored of maintaining two buff campaigns at once. This was before I knew the update was almost here - I expected late Sept or so.

I guess I'll wait and see if I get offered a free change when the campaign gets deleted. The AP to just switch again now is pocket change and would barely make a dent in my balance but I keep thinking "Hey, that's TWO forward camps of points that could make the difference in a raid/defense!" Maybe I'll try the new 30-day but everyone will rush there and I'll just wait and see what it looks like.

driosketch · September 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

this will still leave us with 5 campaigns (2-30day, 1-14 day, 1-7 day and the nonVR campaign) when i believe that the pvp population asa whole would be better served with just 2 30 campaigns at the moment, period

I fully disagree with this. For starters the NA non-vet is a good campaign that doesn't need doing away with. It also shows that a campaign can be successful and balanced without a lot of people.

Now we have enough players to completely fill two campaigns during prime-time, but limiting the number to that is not what's going to be best for PvP. It also punishes players with alts in more than one faction who want to go to into PvP legitimately for fun or skyshards and not to spy or exploit.

Four is the barest minimum they can reduce the number of mixed campaigns to. Three if they keep the the VR/NV ones or start resetting campaigns that go the way of Had. Two, if they introduce PvE Cyrodiil, and allow players to remove characters homed to a campaign without having to switch to another.

Two campaigns also means a lot of AD especially would be waiting in queues longer during prime time than their counterparts in other alliances. They can replace campaigns that don't work, but reducing the number of campaigns is no longer a go to option.

Shaun98ca2 · September 2014

I think there are too many campaigns again.

Keep the NON-Veteran one, then 2 of the 30 day ones...IF more are needed then just add another 30 day one but with 3 factions 2 campaigns SHOULD be enough to fight over. If theres 3 from the start then each faction takes a campaign of their own and that's just no fun.

Draxys · September 2014

driosketch wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

this will still leave us with 5 campaigns (2-30day, 1-14 day, 1-7 day and the nonVR campaign) when i believe that the pvp population asa whole would be better served with just 2 30 campaigns at the moment, period

I fully disagree with this. For starters the NA non-vet is a good campaign that doesn't need doing away with. It also shows that a campaign can be successful and balanced without a lot of people.

Now we have enough players to completely fill two campaigns during prime-time, but limiting the number to that is not what's going to be best for PvP. It also punishes players with alts in more than one faction who want to go to into PvP legitimately for fun or skyshards and not to spy or exploit.

Four is the barest minimum they can reduce the number of mixed campaigns to. Three if they keep the the VR/NV ones or start resetting campaigns that go the way of Had. Two, if they introduce PvE Cyrodiil, and allow players to remove characters homed to a campaign without having to switch to another.

Two campaigns also means a lot of AD especially would be waiting in queues longer during prime time than their counterparts in other alliances. They can replace campaigns that don't work, but reducing the number of campaigns is no longer a go to option.

It's not often that we see 2 campaigns poplocked. I agree that the non-vet should stay, but I feel like D was referring to the normal campaigns (but maybe not). If there was a way to have an overflow campaign that opened when two main servers approach a certain capacity, I think that would be the way to go. Balancing numbers for each faction could be tricky though, if one alliance had very strong presence it could be a problem for that method. But it would look like- 2 normal, 1 non-vet, 1 normal overflow that opens when both normal servers have x population.

driosketch · September 2014

Draxys wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

this will still leave us with 5 campaigns (2-30day, 1-14 day, 1-7 day and the nonVR campaign) when i believe that the pvp population asa whole would be better served with just 2 30 campaigns at the moment, period

I fully disagree with this. For starters the NA non-vet is a good campaign that doesn't need doing away with. It also shows that a campaign can be successful and balanced without a lot of people.

Now we have enough players to completely fill two campaigns during prime-time, but limiting the number to that is not what's going to be best for PvP. It also punishes players with alts in more than one faction who want to go to into PvP legitimately for fun or skyshards and not to spy or exploit.

Four is the barest minimum they can reduce the number of mixed campaigns to. Three if they keep the the VR/NV ones or start resetting campaigns that go the way of Had. Two, if they introduce PvE Cyrodiil, and allow players to remove characters homed to a campaign without having to switch to another.

Two campaigns also means a lot of AD especially would be waiting in queues longer during prime time than their counterparts in other alliances. They can replace campaigns that don't work, but reducing the number of campaigns is no longer a go to option.

It's not often that we see 2 campaigns poplocked. I agree that the non-vet should stay, but I feel like D was referring to the normal campaigns (but maybe not). If there was a way to have an overflow campaign that opened when two main servers approach a certain capacity, I think that would be the way to go. Balancing numbers for each faction could be tricky though, if one alliance had very strong presence it could be a problem for that method. But it would look like- 2 normal, 1 non-vet, 1 normal overflow that opens when both normal servers have x population.

For all three factions at once on both, but you can see at least one faction pop lock on both during primetime. And that's the alliance whose players would suffer the queues more often.

I have 6 characters, two per faction, that go into Cyrodiil. I can just barely manage them with the number of campaigns we have now.

Counter proposal: I've seen how groups are on BB with its pop versus on the big campaigns. Also many players hate "the zerg" and late night imbalances, plus how big groups spamming particle effects sometimes crash things. Why don't we lower the pop caps to the two bar range for all the campaigns? That way you take the amount that would fill two campaigns as they are now, and distribute that across four. Then they can raise the caps or add a campaign as needed.

Rylana · September 2014

They really should reset all campaigns to nominal/zeroed due to the addition of the new one.

Poxheart · September 2014

driosketch wrote: »

Two campaigns also means a lot of AD especially would be waiting in queues longer during prime time than their counterparts in other alliances.

I shed no tears for those poor AD that would be stuck in long queues.

ZOS_TristanK · September 2014

Hi, folks. Campaigns are not being reset as a part of this update, though as mentioned in this thread, we are closing the Veteran Campaign Bow of Shadows, and are opening a new 30-day standard Campaign, Azura’s Star. We'll monitor how this change impacts the campaigns overall, and want to thank you for your feedback here.

dcincali · September 2014

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. Campaigns are not being reset as a part of this update, though as mentioned in this thread, we are closing the Veteran Campaign Bow of Shadows, and are opening a new 30-day standard Campaign, Azura’s Star. We'll monitor how this change impacts the campaigns overall, and want to thank you for your feedback here.

@ZOS_TristanK‌
Any chance when the campaigns reset they actually reset? (keeps, emp and all) As it stands now on Haderus, the Emp has been reigning for 42 days. If anyone else wants emp they will have to try to ap farm on the more populated servers vs afk botters and ap farming guilds. We can assume this is an oversight but will probably not be addressed any time before 1.7.9 patch comes out and removes former emp buffs. Some of us want the dye. Thanks!

Dleatherus · September 2014

throughout all of PTS testing when the campaign 'reset' the only thing that ever resets is the leaderboard - everything else has always remained as it was - scrolls, keeps, etc

i think that this is so that if one alliance is dominating a campaign, or totally losing it, that they don't just give up knowing it's pointless since the campaign resets in 2 or 3 days etc?

D.

Braidas · September 2014

dcincali wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. Campaigns are not being reset as a part of this update, though as mentioned in this thread, we are closing the Veteran Campaign Bow of Shadows, and are opening a new 30-day standard Campaign, Azura’s Star. We'll monitor how this change impacts the campaigns overall, and want to thank you for your feedback here.

@ZOS_TristanK‌
Any chance when the campaigns reset they actually reset? (keeps, emp and all) As it stands now on Haderus, the Emp has been reigning for 42 days. If anyone else wants emp they will have to try to ap farm on the more populated servers vs afk botters and ap farming guilds. We can assume this is an oversight but will probably not be addressed any time before 1.7.9 patch comes out and removes former emp buffs. Some of us want the dye. Thanks!

The record shall be broken.

dcincali · September 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

throughout all of PTS testing when the campaign 'reset' the only thing that ever resets is the leaderboard - everything else has always remained as it was - scrolls, keeps, etc

i think that this is so that if one alliance is dominating a campaign, or totally losing it, that they don't just give up knowing it's pointless since the campaign resets in 2 or 3 days etc?

D.

Maybe so, but they just added a new 30 day, so if your alliance isn't winning you can just abandon ship like we saw over the last 2 weeks from all factions to a different one. We need LESS options not more.

Dleatherus · September 2014

dcincali wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

throughout all of PTS testing when the campaign 'reset' the only thing that ever resets is the leaderboard - everything else has always remained as it was - scrolls, keeps, etc

i think that this is so that if one alliance is dominating a campaign, or totally losing it, that they don't just give up knowing it's pointless since the campaign resets in 2 or 3 days etc?

D.

Maybe so, but they just added a new 30 day, so if your alliance isn't winning you can just abandon ship like we saw over the last 2 weeks from all factions to a different one. We need LESS options not more.

i agree with you on that, hence my suggestion of having just 2-30day campaigns (plus the non-VR one if deemed essential) and add a 3rd,4th etc if and when the pvp population increases

D.