No.


I very much doubt most "troll camps" even are meant to be troll camps. That said though, they seem to be very rare anyways where I play (EU Thornblade)

Pseudonym wrote: »

Even if they were, it's hard to police this kind of thing. My friend put down a forward camp the other day incase he was ganked while running a solo dungeon out in Cyrodiil.

It was his camp, he bought it, and it was placed where he wanted it. That camp may or may not have been in a position that was detrimental to his alliance, but you can't punish ignorance.

Going back to my first statement, if you did spot an intended troll camp, how would you suggest they dealt with it? Take the persons word for it who reported it or spend man hours investigating the issue?

There might be a solution to the troll camp problem, but making them illegal isn't one of them. There has to be a safe-guard built into the game mechanics that prevents it. I'm sure they're aware of them.

Agreed. The much more efficient solution would be to work on tent mechanics, as opposed to figuring out whodunit.

This is why only zenimax should be responding to this thread, and not players.

Players do nothing but speculate. ZOS needs to make the decision here.

The burden is on you to prove intent.Gluck with that.

A couple of those tents - not all, just a couple - look like they could be time saving insurance policies placed by people doing PVE activities as they are near PVE related locations. Are those not legitimate uses of tents as well?

Nice little gem here. I think one would have a bit of difficulty rationalizing why all of those northern camps were necessary.

7:15 Central USA time, you can probably cross reference your logs to determine who placed all of them.

A lot of those camps aren't hurting anything but the AP reserves of the player placing them. A few of them mark troll I could see as legitimate, albeit non optimal placement.

There are some definite defense camp blocks there in the set though. It seems like an easy thing to get around, by having one group rez there to use the camp up while the defense readies a proper camp. Use it as an opportunity to berserk the enemy assult, or have players elsewhere blood-port to the camp for you, then ride full tilt to the keep defense. If any should die on the way, they can rez at the proper camp, boosting the number of defenders. And if one of you stays behind, nonchalantly, they can observe if someone deliberately tries to replace the camp. Then you have a name to report.

Pseudonym wrote: »

dcincali wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

The burden is on you to prove intent.Gluck with that.

PICTURES

*some are from another topic* http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/130642/naming-camp-placers-tired-of-losing-keeps-because-of-troll-camps#latest


Pretty sure you are a smart person and can figure this one out...

That's not proof. One of those tents could be there by coincidence, and however unlikely that might be, it's entirely possible; and they need to be absolutely 100% sure of malicious intent before they start throwing around bans and warnings.

Honestly I have no idea where any of you are when the troll camping starts, but as someone who has lost keeps because of it, allow me to explain how poor camp placement is an act of deliberate intent, and detrimental outcome.

- A poorly placed AD camp appears on the EP side of the river SE of Alessia. The run back to Alessia is very long, either forcing people to go further south and cross the middle bridge, or go north and run a gauntlet of the blue that magically appear around Alessia and start sieging at the same time.

- A camp appears between Alessia, Roe and Faregyl, blocking all three keeps from having camps, and Roe and Faregyl light up a moment later, and no one can get to them quickly.

- Cyrodiil has a limit of ten camps per faction. One faction is pushing for Emperor and is trying to defend the Emperor keeps they have gained, and the attacks in their territory launched by enemy factions trying to capitalise on/stop their push. That's 5 or so camps, especially if the final Emp keep is being pushed which would being it to six. Suddenly four camps appear in the middle of nowhere, hitting the limit when the emp-push camp goes down. No more emp push.

Dudis wrote: »

No.


I very much doubt most "troll camps" even are meant to be troll camps. That said though, they seem to be very rare anyways where I play (EU Thornblade)

They happen every day in Thronblade US.

Pseudonym wrote: »

That's not proof. One of those tents could be there by coincidence, and however unlikely that might be, it's entirely possible; and they need to be absolutely 100% sure of malicious intent before they start throwing around bans and warnings.

Most of those pictures you saw? Were in the space of one day. In fact, three of those pictures you saw for AD were in the space of two hours.[/

driosketch wrote: »

A lot of those camps aren't hurting anything but the AP reserves of the player placing them. A few of them mark troll I could see as legitimate, albeit non optimal placement.

There are some definite defense camp blocks there in the set though. It seems like an easy thing to get around, by having one group rez there to use the camp up while the defense readies a proper camp. Use it as an opportunity to berserk the enemy assult, or have players elsewhere blood-port to the camp for you, then ride full tilt to the keep defense. If any should die on the way, they can rez at the proper camp, boosting the number of defenders. And if one of you stays behind, nonchalantly, they can observe if someone deliberately tries to replace the camp. Then you have a name to report.

1) Sometimes organised groups are tied up, and the only organised gruop that can respond would not get to the keep in time to defend it.

2) We're trying to get our non-guild/group players to use up camps but it's slow going, and it's a pain when there's six of them across the map. At this point, we have single players dying repeatedly to use a camp up because no one else can spare the time at some points. And then another troll camp goes down.

3) Naming camp placers, as I say in my other thread, would go a long way toward us being able to hold troll camps available. 'Camp placed by ....' It lets us know a) who put down troll camps and b) who put down clutch camps and c) who is maintaining camps on a siege.

Makkir wrote: »

1) 1 camp per player dropped at any given time so one person cant spam the map with camps
2) When you die, you can spawn at the closest camp only. This keeps active PvP'ers "in the fight" at the current keep, and also doesn't allow them to suicide spawn across the map.

Looks like problem solved in my opinion.

Neither of these fix the problem.

1) It only takes one poor camp placement to cost someone the keep, and punishing players who camp two or three keeps that are vulnerable or have been hit a few times in the last hour or so is wrong. You fill people's inventories up with a non-stacking item that sometimes they can only use once every half hour?

2) Closest camp only, or camp radius, still does not help when that camp radius prohibits the placement of another camp in a more strategic location. Nor does it help when all of your camps are clustered in completely useless locations.

People who are PVEing in Cyrodiil who put down poor camps need to be responsible for their actions. There are hundreds of people in Cyrodiil, and when your camp can cost them their hard work, you should be held accountable for that. Getting ganked in Cyrodiil is a part of the game. If you want to PVE in peace, go to a dead server. Why come to a PVP server and expect to not be ganked if it's full or locked on the enemy side? That's ridiculous, and expecting the game to cater to you, and not the other 500 people in there.

For those of you who are wondering if deliberately hindering camp placement is against the ToS: It is assisting the enemy, and that is a reportable - and bannable - offense.

Please. Please. Name camp placers on the camp. Same as gear saying 'Made by ____' If it's an innocent camp placement, let them defend themselves in zone. But one person putting up poorly placed camps repeatedly? No. Not an accident.

tldnr: Troll camps are a thing. Do something about it.

LonePirate wrote: »

A couple of those tents - not all, just a couple - look like they could be time saving insurance policies placed by people doing PVE activities as they are near PVE related locations. Are those not legitimate uses of tents as well?

I'm fine with PvE'ers placing camps, for quick travel if they get jumped. But I still don't think we can blame them for this mess. Most of us can see the difference between a PvE camp and a troll camp.

For once, I rarely see camps placed around quest-hubs like Cheydinhal or Burma. Poorly placed camps, the ones that makes you loose a keep, only pop up when a keep is about to get contested. Bad camps are placed about the same time as the sieges starts firing. That's so not done by a PvE'er looking for a skyshard lol.

Also doubt a PvE'er has thousands of AP to burn on camp-spamming at inappropriate locations.

Most of us also know who the culprits are, or what enemy guilds are behind it. It's hardly classified information, due to cross-faction chatting.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

@onlinegamer1 - you got your answer, ZOS declined to give you the answer you wanted.

No they're not 'illegal'.

/thread

@fromtesonlineb16_ESO‌
You got that, from the reply ...

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

This sort of behavior is not something we like to see. It's against the spirit of the game, and hurts the health of ESO's PVP.

To me that means they're being used as they weren't intended. FC's are definitely not "illegal," (whatever that means) but that doesn't mean there isn't something broke, or they're being used in an unintended manner.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

dcincali wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

A couple of those tents - not all, just a couple - look like they could be time saving insurance policies placed by people doing PVE activities as they are near PVE related locations. Are those not legitimate uses of tents as well?

When you die to PVE, you can use a soul gem to rez...

So?

Your reply in no way disproves his theory.

Well, actually, it depends on how you see it. If you die to a PvE mob (wolf, bandits, etc...) you have the option of a Wayshrine or Soulgem for respawning only; No FC/Keep for you. (Has that been changed recently? I hope not. Haven't done the PvE stuff in... a while.)

Now they could be from a solo/small group in case they run into players from different factions. But that 7.2K per FC is a waste of AP that most Cyrodiil PvE only players don't have; Just for something that could be burned down for a "just in case".

Especially when these "small group or solo" FC's have the timing of going up whenever it is the worst possible time/place. And not near these related PvE locations; Well unless you consider maybe the same quarter the map being "related locations".

-M