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The Trouble with the Forums
k9mouse
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TBH, I love the forums and think it is very cool that ZOS is listening to us and using our feedback to make an awesome game even better! 
So the forums are a very cool idea.
With that being said, some of the ideas that I read on the forums just "so very stupid" and sometimes I wonder if the OP of the that idea is high on skooma. I do not want to play their version of ESO. I also know and understand that all MMO are a trade off of what one player wants and what most of the MMO what -- "You can't have your cake and eat it too." Idea There must be some common ground.
This leads me to the point of this topic: Often I feel that I must post on the forum to counter what I think is a "stupid idea" Otherwise, people will try ESO into a game that I do not want to play.
I will not list what I think the "stupid ideas" are. This topic is not about the ideas per say, but at times feeling that one most post to counter those "stupid ideas" Does anyone else feel that way at times?
I am new to MMO forums and their culture, so this topic was made by a "noob." I am very used in posting in forums about single player games. So those "stupid ideas" have less then an impact how I play vs how they affect how a player plays a MMO.
So the forums are a very cool idea.With that being said, some of the ideas that I read on the forums just "so very stupid" and sometimes I wonder if the OP of the that idea is high on skooma. I do not want to play their version of ESO. I also know and understand that all MMO are a trade off of what one player wants and what most of the MMO what -- "You can't have your cake and eat it too." Idea There must be some common ground.
This leads me to the point of this topic: Often I feel that I must post on the forum to counter what I think is a "stupid idea" Otherwise, people will try ESO into a game that I do not want to play.
I will not list what I think the "stupid ideas" are. This topic is not about the ideas per say, but at times feeling that one most post to counter those "stupid ideas" Does anyone else feel that way at times?
I am new to MMO forums and their culture, so this topic was made by a "noob." I am very used in posting in forums about single player games. So those "stupid ideas" have less then an impact how I play vs how they affect how a player plays a MMO.
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✭If somebody posts something truly stupid, game lore-breaking, or just flat out overpowering, then don't worry about it. It's not like these Devs are going to put everything in the game just because nobody said anything against it.
Heck, the Devs are having a hard enough time putting the GOOD ideas that players have made to various skill lines into the game. They don't have time for the stupid stuff yet.
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bluesodafizz✭✭✭Well it's kind of mean to say people have "stupid" ideas, but good for you that you put your counter-arguments up if you feel strongly about a topic.4 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭@k9mouse why do you think zos is listening to us?www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO42 -
Night_Watch✭✭✭I would not say that there where any 'stupid ideas'. There are probably many ideas that do not make a lot of sense to some people though - this is true.
Although a thread participant may post an idea that others may not initially like or understand, I feel that such ideas can open up some really good debates when presented.
An idea may, if implemented, divert from what some players accept as normal or change a game in a way that is less than desirable for some. However, it is likely that no developer would make changes based on such an idea lightly.
Be careful to be polite and considerate when replying to any post / thread. I do not want to put you off posting but we can easily be pulled into heated arguement even when we have no itnet on said. There are those 'out there' that are only too willing to be unhelpful, rude or malicious. Other than that reply often and well!
And do not worry about being a 'noob' as you put it! There is no such thing really. We all have to take a few testing steps before we learn to walk!"If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."
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What?jelliedsoup wrote: »@k9mouse why do you think zos is listening to us?
Sorry what did you say?www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO41 -
Khami✭✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »@k9mouse why do you think zos is listening to us?
Nerfing the veteran zones and changing it to a champion system is proof they're listening.2 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭@Khami I think they're listening to some, but not sure on how they qualify/quanitify when a change has been requested.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40
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✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »@k9mouse why do you think zos is listening to us?
Nerfing the veteran zones and changing it to a champion system is proof they're listening.
... and they exactly listened to those the OP calls "stupid ideas".
Pre nerf vet content was the fun part of this game. Gone.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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ZOS_JessicaFolsomCommunity ManagerTry to remember that if people post an idea you think is stupid, it's best to simply agree to disagree. Differences in opinion are going to happen. Debates, too. It's okay to disagree, just consider how you respond, please.13 -
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✭Ideas cannot be stupid, only people are. I think what you mean are ideas that you don't agree with for one reason or another.
Also, ZOS has the final say as to what gets changed or added to the game, not us. We can talk about things that we like or dislike or we feel might be good to add, but at the end of the day, it is ZOS that decides, not us. Maybe they take our points into consideration, maybe they don't. Who can say really?1 -
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✭I always reply with upmost respect and no name calling, etc My fear is if I do not reply what some called "stupid ideas," devs will listen to them and will make ESO to something that is not I want. Thus, at times I feel that I am "forced" to a counter reply to keep ESO the way I like it. Is this a grounded fear or am I worrying / over-thinking it?1 -
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✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »Ideas cannot be stupid, only people are. I think what you mean are ideas that you don't agree with for one reason or another.
Also, ZOS has the final say as to what gets changed or added to the game, not us. We can talk about things that we like or dislike or we feel might be good to add, but at the end of the day, it is ZOS that decides, not us. Maybe they take our points into consideration, maybe they don't. Who can say really?
@OrangeTheCat
I agree with you and that is true, but this saying is also true: "The squeaky wheel gets the oil" What happens if the "squeaky wheel" should not be "oiled" in your POV?
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✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »Ideas cannot be stupid, only people are. I think what you mean are ideas that you don't agree with for one reason or another.
Also, ZOS has the final say as to what gets changed or added to the game, not us. We can talk about things that we like or dislike or we feel might be good to add, but at the end of the day, it is ZOS that decides, not us. Maybe they take our points into consideration, maybe they don't. Who can say really?
@OrangeTheCat
I agree with you and that is true, but this saying is also true: "The squeaky wheel gets the oil" What happens if the "squeaky wheel" should not be "oiled" in your POV?
I'd say that we the forum users identify the squeaky wheels. ZOS applies the oil or not, not us.
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭There are plenty of stupid ideas!
There are some border line ones, which the forum discusses (like flying mounts or faction changes)
And then there are just stupid ideas. Mostly ones involving skill line ideas, buffs, nerfs etc.
Not all are stupid, but there is alot.
I think what gets me hooked on the forums isn't so much the discussions or need to 'defend', it's the little awards you receive for posting X amount, or getting X amount agrees etc.
I know it's not much, but having little rewards and trying to achieve them, no matter how useless they are, is like skooma to me. Must complete
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✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »There are plenty of stupid ideas!
There are some border line ones, which the forum discusses (like flying mounts or faction changes)
And then there are just stupid ideas. Mostly ones involving skill line ideas, buffs, nerfs etc.
Not all are stupid, but there is alot.
I think what gets me hooked on the forums isn't so much the discussions or need to 'defend', it's the little awards you receive for posting X amount, or getting X amount agrees etc.
I know it's not much, but having little rewards and trying to achieve them, no matter how useless they are, is like skooma to me. Must complete
Actually I feel the ones you listed as borderline are pretty stupid.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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✭Using feedback for the better? Inigo Montoya just rolled over in his grave.
Kind of amazed that this is allowed to remain open with the content in the OP. Guess as long as you use quotations, you're allowed to use insults when addressing the community.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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Auralia✭✭✭That's the whole problem, just because you don't agree with an idea, doesn't mean it's stupid.2 -
renton1x1x1✭✭✭This is a public forum for players to voice their opinions about the game. So that's what you get people opinions , some are good and worthy of note. Others are not-so-good and could be described as " stupid". Mostly it's players just having a good moan which is their right to do so. We are consumers and this is a "product" forum.
When it comes down to it this the only way for the player-base to communicate effectively with zenimax and vice versa. It helps zenimax measure public opinion .
Changes have been made to the game in response to player feedback so the system works.
If you see someone voice an opinion that you disagree with that's your personal preference. This also means you have the right to challenge that opinion - hence you have a discussion.
Some people might agree with you and others may agree with the "stupid" person. The customer is always right so all opinions are valid but not all will be considered.
Read the forum code of conduct to make sure you're not breaking any rules when responding. Remember discussion is good and encouraged but flaming and personal attacks will most likely result in the banhammer.Renton Sc Breton Sorcerer VR14
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✭✭✭Sometimes stupid ideas lead to amazing innovations.
But honestly, yeah sometimes I do think that people post some pretty crazy ideas for the game on the forums. If I don't think it will work, then I try to tell the OP why instead of just saying "that's soo stooopid". If you give reasons, people are more likely to listen to what you have to say, and either counter it or agree with you. At least it leads to more dialogue and a discussion.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭So long as you present your counter-arguments logically and with supporting evidence, it is fine to disagree with people on the forums. But if the best you can come up with is, "Well I don't like your character class because I think it's already OP so I don't want the devs to ever do anything that the people who actually PLAY that class want, no matter how small or insignificant, just because!" then you're on pretty shaky ground. You don't seem like the kind of person who would stoop to that sort of "argumentation" but that "style" is already pretty rampant on these forums. So try to avoid it.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
Troponin✭✭✭Since having children, I have found ways less offensive ways of saying many things. For instance, instead of saying "stupid", use the word "silly". Some people just lack tact as well. For instance, two sentences saying similar things, but one is way nicer than the other...
"That's a really stupid idea" vs "I don't agree. It would be silly if..."
Anyway, rest assured, the Devs realize what is a good idea and what most likely isn't. They don't need to say anything, they just won't consider it.2 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭I just love how a person is labeled a troll for expressing a different opinion or merely stating displeasure/dislike for someone else's idea/opinion.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.1 -
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✭Since having children, I have found ways less offensive ways of saying many things. For instance, instead of saying "stupid", use the word "silly". Some people just lack tact as well. For instance, two sentences saying similar things, but one is way nicer than the other...
"That's a really stupid idea" vs "I don't agree. It would be silly if..."
Anyway, rest assured, the Devs realize what is a good idea and what most likely isn't. They don't need to say anything, they just won't consider it.
When I reply to people in a topic and topic that I started I do use that tact. In this topic, I wanted to use a stronger word to get how I truly feel.
Edited by k9mouse on September 12, 2014 3:57AM0 -
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✭Firstly you think, that it's a brilliant idea and you want to share it. You create a topic somewhere here. Yes, maybe your idea was better in your head. Community will point on negative sides of your idea, and then even you start to see this negative sides. What's the problem? But sometimes you can find a really good ideas here.
So, yes, I'm agree with @ZOS_JessicaFolsom.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!1 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »So long as you present your counter-arguments logically and with supporting evidence, it is fine to disagree with people on the forums. But if the best you can come up with is, "Well I don't like your character class because I think it's already OP so I don't want the devs to ever do anything that the people who actually PLAY that class want, no matter how small or insignificant, just because!" then you're on pretty shaky ground. You don't seem like the kind of person who would stoop to that sort of "argumentation" but that "style" is already pretty rampant on these forums. So try to avoid it.
You realise that you're guilty of the same thing? That you dislike the appearance of your character is sufficient to justify the skills you obtain through being a vamp. There's a price to pay. Much like how I choose a piece of armour as it looks better rather than the perks it provides.
The people who complain about this sound like petulant children. If you don't want to look like that don't be a vamp. Much like when I choose a race, I may prefer passives of another race but I still chose bosmer. Weigh up what you want and make a choice. Don't make a choice knowingly and then complain about it.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO42 -
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I think you're confusing listening with doing, not every suggestion players make is sensible.jelliedsoup wrote: »@Khami I think they're listening to some, but not sure on how they qualify/quanitify when a change has been requested.
It's common for people to whine the "devs aren't listening" when they [the devs] don't implement what they [the whiners] are asking for.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on September 12, 2014 6:28AM1 -
Enaijo✭✭✭Don't forget that ZOS has a much better way to decide what's needed and what's not: the game. They have the numbers, they know exactly what people do and what they don't do and ZOS knows, that way less than 5% of the actual players are using forums.
You can be sure, that ZOS don't makes a decision solely based on feedback in the forum.1
