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How Many players in ESO currently?
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This word is taken from German and literally means 'Harm-Joy'. It is the feeling of joy or pleasure when one sees another fail or suffer misfortune.
I had to look that up and you nailed it.1 -
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Exit poll surveys are totally random just as much as web surveys and phone call surveys. Stop lying. The only thing where scientific process is involved is afterwards to give some sense to the numbers, it's also there when you can make the raw data mean anything you want it to mean and why some polls are BS. The data I provided IS pure raw data.
Besides, as i said, top 4 games are accurate and that can be verified since they publish numbers so can't be that wrong
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Okay, but now you're talking about something completely different, not the Gallup polls where they do it beforehand and call 2,000 people. Way to move the goalposts and then claim victory. Also, the phone call surveys are NOT random. At least not any sort of good poll that is put out. Any good poll does TARGETED polling, where they actually know who they are going to call ahead of time. If they don't do targeted polling, then they need a heck of a lot more than 2,000 people to respond and they need to pull from multiple areas before they can get accurate data.
The data that you provide is SOME raw data. But there is no way to get it to tell any sort of story based on the data that we have. All that we know is that people using Raptr play longer on other games than ESO. But what percentage of the gamer population uses Raptr? Is playtime an accurate indicator of a game's population? Is Rapt recording things correctly and accurately?
Without knowing those other pieces of data, there is NO WAY to draw any sort of accurate conclusion from the numbers. Certainly there is not enough data to claim that the game is dying.
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »As for this thread, I just wanted to prove wrong the people in denial that say the game is doing well because fact is: It probably isn't.
What have you done besides coming here and judging?
Good on making some constructive feedback in other threads. But THIS thread is what I was referring to. Beyond proving people wrong, there is nothing constructive about it. It isn't "hey guys the numbers are down, what can we do about it?...", this is a simple troll post to bring about negativity.
So you think you should judge how people spend their money and the fact they might enjoy the game even if it is possibly on a sinking ship? But we shouldn't judge you... Ok.
Where am i judging people? I'm just pointing out that people who think this game is going well are delusional and posting proof to back up my claims unlike EVERYBODY ELSE. Guess that's why people are pissed
The only data that supports the claim the game is healthy was removed from the net by the company that published it, the only thing that remains and that people are linking are articles citing that data which is nowhere to be found. Why would SuperData remove the data if it was accurate?
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Claiming I judge how people spend their money is bs since I've been subbed since day 1 and don't plan to unsub any time soon so in fact, I'd be judging myself.
You can try spin it all you want and find excuses to attack me personally: Not gonna work. That being said, I suppose it's easier to do that than to focus your energy into proving the game is healthy and I'm wrong, but if this post has proved one thing, it's that it can't be done
And political polls are not random. There are many control factors. Two of the biggest being age and residence. I'm sure they don't call Germany to ask which American president they would vote for. So it is not a RANDOM survey. They also do multiple surveys.
They also know the population and can make an assumption using percentages.
We don't have that information. How many eso players use/don't use third party programs and surveys?
You've only provided "data" from third party programs which is apparent that not many eso players use. And to calculate the percentages you would need a total population.
The only conclusion you could draw from your data is X amount of people that use X program play X amount of eso.
It does not give you any support for eso population total
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Discussing Moderator Actions]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 11, 2014 1:57PMFun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
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✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »As for this thread, I just wanted to prove wrong the people in denial that say the game is doing well because fact is: It probably isn't.
What have you done besides coming here and judging?
Good on making some constructive feedback in other threads. But THIS thread is what I was referring to. Beyond proving people wrong, there is nothing constructive about it. It isn't "hey guys the numbers are down, what can we do about it?...", this is a simple troll post to bring about negativity.
So you think you should judge how people spend their money and the fact they might enjoy the game even if it is possibly on a sinking ship? But we shouldn't judge you... Ok.
Where am i judging people? I'm just pointing out that people who think this game is going well are delusional and posting proof to back up my claims unlike EVERYBODY ELSE. Guess that's why people are pissed
The only data that supports the claim the game is healthy was removed from the net by the company that published it, the only thing that remains and that people are linking are articles citing that data which is nowhere to be found. Why would SuperData remove the data if it was accurate?.
Claiming I judge how people spend their money is bs since I've been subbed since day 1 and don't plan to unsub any time soon so in fact, I'd be judging myself.
You can try spin it all you want and find excuses to attack me personally: Not gonna work. That being said, I suppose it's easier to do that than to focus your energy into proving the game is healthy and I'm wrong, but if this post has proved one thing, it's that it can't be done
And political polls are not random. There are many control factors. Two of the biggest being age and residence. I'm sure they don't call Germany to ask which American president they would vote for. So it is not a RANDOM survey. They also do multiple surveys.
They also know the population and can make an assumption using percentages.
We don't have that information. How many eso players use/don't use third party programs and surveys?
You've only provided "data" from third party programs which is apparent that not many eso players use. And to calculate the percentages you would need a total population.
The only conclusion you could draw from your data is X amount of people that use X program play X amount of eso.
It does not give you any support for eso population total
Political polls are generally a waste of time, outside of USA the political complexities mean they rarely bare any resemblence to what actually happens.
In the UK nobody trusts the polls (don't even go there), because a large proportion won't talk to the people doing them. Add to the fact that various parties coopt other party's policies, and various political grudges/biases, and nobody sane could predict the outcome with any certainty.
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 11, 2014 1:57PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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✭Every game starts dying from the moment it is born. How can we not despair?
(Allusion to an old TES lore book about Daedra.)
Now go enjoy the game while it slowly dies. For all I can tell, there is still plenty of good life left in it.
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http://www.superdataresearch.com found that ESO has 700-800.000 subscribers, this was quoted at an gaming site.AlexDougherty wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »@magnusnet
You said it yourself;
"The only company that has an accurate number is ZOS."
That seems pretty conclusive to me. It's apparent that the third party programmes are irrelevant.
No need to explain % and statistics.
There are too many variables from the programs that it's safe to assume they're not accurate or applicable.
Stick with the ZOS answer, that's the most accurate.
@JoffyToffy69 there is no ZOS answer, they may be the only person with the actual numbers but they don't tell anyone.
I can't actually blame them, if I was running an MMO I would tell anyone what the figures (good or bad) were.
I understand why they have not published it, its pretty good results, but just "pretty good", had it been outstanding as in more than 2 millions they would have published.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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http://www.superdataresearch.com found that ESO has 700-800.000 subscribers, this was quoted at an gaming site.AlexDougherty wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »@magnusnet
You said it yourself;
"The only company that has an accurate number is ZOS."
That seems pretty conclusive to me. It's apparent that the third party programmes are irrelevant.
No need to explain % and statistics.
There are too many variables from the programs that it's safe to assume they're not accurate or applicable.
Stick with the ZOS answer, that's the most accurate.
@JoffyToffy69 there is no ZOS answer, they may be the only person with the actual numbers but they don't tell anyone.
I can't actually blame them, if I was running an MMO I would tell anyone what the figures (good or bad) were.
I understand why they have not published it, its pretty good results, but just "pretty good", had it been outstanding as in more than 2 millions they would have published.
That's another third party number, ZOS themselves have never said how many subscribers there are. Which is part of my point, all the figures are third party, which makes all of them dubious.
I also get what you mean about the figures being pretty good, but not good enough to announce. The problem is that if you have good enough numbers to sing and dance about, it becomes negative news when they stop being that good (but still good numbers nevertheless).People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
butterfly442✭✭✭Game died after the random bannings.
In the morning my time, all the campaigns are at minimum population.
What is dead will stay dead.4 -
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http://www.superdataresearch.com found that ESO has 700-800.000 subscribers, this was quoted at an gaming site.AlexDougherty wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »@magnusnet
You said it yourself;
"The only company that has an accurate number is ZOS."
That seems pretty conclusive to me. It's apparent that the third party programmes are irrelevant.
No need to explain % and statistics.
There are too many variables from the programs that it's safe to assume they're not accurate or applicable.
Stick with the ZOS answer, that's the most accurate.
@JoffyToffy69 there is no ZOS answer, they may be the only person with the actual numbers but they don't tell anyone.
I can't actually blame them, if I was running an MMO I would tell anyone what the figures (good or bad) were.
I understand why they have not published it, its pretty good results, but just "pretty good", had it been outstanding as in more than 2 millions they would have published.
The results where published then removed from the superdata website, nobody believed those results anyways since there was no indication on how they got them and the only entity who could have given them such an exact number was ZOS.
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Well they only presents time limited teasers as they want to sell the information.
http://www.superdataresearch.com found that ESO has 700-800.000 subscribers, this was quoted at an gaming site.AlexDougherty wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »@magnusnet
You said it yourself;
"The only company that has an accurate number is ZOS."
That seems pretty conclusive to me. It's apparent that the third party programmes are irrelevant.
No need to explain % and statistics.
There are too many variables from the programs that it's safe to assume they're not accurate or applicable.
Stick with the ZOS answer, that's the most accurate.
@JoffyToffy69 there is no ZOS answer, they may be the only person with the actual numbers but they don't tell anyone.
I can't actually blame them, if I was running an MMO I would tell anyone what the figures (good or bad) were.
I understand why they have not published it, its pretty good results, but just "pretty good", had it been outstanding as in more than 2 millions they would have published.
The results where published then removed from the superdata website, nobody believed those results anyways since there was no indication on how they got them and the only entity who could have given them such an exact number was ZOS.
You probably have to pay to get the sources to, I doubt the source was ZOS at least unless they documented it.
Again the they live of selling information to the industry, if you paid them for presenting data you like they would not stay in business.
700.000 subscribes sounds pretty plausible to.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭butterfly442 wrote: »Game died after the random bannings.
In the morning my time, all the campaigns are at minimum population.
What is dead will stay dead.
Random bannings no. I think you refer to the all of the botters and gold farmers they got rid of. I only know of one person caught up in this because he is an avid achievement grabber. So he got the treasure chest one in a week of launch. This probably seemed unusual and was the reason he got banned. within 2 hours of the ban he was back online with an apology.
As for the rest good riddance I haven't seen a bot or had spam in months good job zos. Now sort balance.Edited by lathbury on September 11, 2014 5:46PM0 -
Joseph.f.kennedyb14_ESOSoul ShrivenI'm not so sure its doomed. For one its an Elder Scroll title. And two its an MMO. I don't know about the rest of you but some times I get so caught up in Skyrim that I have to put it down and stop playing for a few weeks or months so the rest of my family doesn't have me committed. Same with ESO. Its really the only MMO I've ever played. I love it. But with that said I didn't play it at all from the beginning of June to the end of August because of work and social engagements. Now its all I play. Even though I don't play other MMOs I know a thing or two about them. How often has WOW been on tv? Does any one remember the Mr. T commercial? And they are the biggest MMO out there. ESO has been quietly building momentum. I know a lot of people who will only play counsel. Heck I use to be one of them when it came to TES until I got into playing mods which you can only do on the pc.
I noticed that in the charts above they listed World of Tanks. They boost over a million players online, which given the percentage would put ESO around 700K by my estimate. I took a couple of minutes to search online before posting this and came across this article from Game Rant which I think gives us a good snapshot of both ESO and MMOs in general.
http://gamerant.com/elder-scrolls-online-subscriber-numbers-revenue/
As for Steam most people who play any kind a game that involves mods hates them. Sure the game developers like Steam because they can sell them as a down load right there on the spot. But they are horrible at space allowed for modders and their mod management tool if it can even be called that sucks beyond belief so most people who purchase there don't necessarily play there. I have an account there because I have Skyrim Legendary edition and it auto connects but I have my Nexus Mod Manager over ride it so it doesn't screw up my game. I sure wasn't going to download ESO from them, that's for sure. Because of this your not going to get a large number of people for ESO in their statistics. Of course ESO not being in the top 100 does not look good but I don't think that would spell its doom either.
I think the bottom line is ESO is still in its infancy and at different times through out the day, week, and year there will be different numbers of players. And We will not truly know if it will be a success or failure for games over all for some time to come.
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