How Many players in ESO currently?
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Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭Ok, I'm gonna fabricate some wild estimates based purely on assumptions as well. 83'525 people currently have the first comment badge. Lets assume that only active accounts are counted. Say there's another 16'475 lurkers to get to an even 100k accounts. Assume only 10% of players participate in the forums. That means 1'000'000 active accounts! Not bad at all. Probably wildly inaccurate, but not bad at all.
Considering this includes beta testers, that's rather just accounts created overall. So let's hope it's indeed wildly inaccurate, because that number would be alarmingly low.
But, looking at those numbers, we could actually learn something from it, IF we had access to by month statistics. But then all the fun of mad speculations would come to an early end."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"1 -
Drakoleon✭✭✭✭Dont know about numbers but....i m playing my third VR in Auridon right now and all the way through i always had hard time to find others to kill a w boss!!! That was never been a problem with my previous toons... in contrary there were far too many players and sometimes you couldnt even get 1 hit (the veterans know what am saying)
From my 80+ friends list only 5 keep playing the game
I was in 2 rather small but very active guilds with 60-80 people each...well the members are still there but on line are just those 5 guys from my friends list
Craglorn was crowded from xp runners I could see 4-5 groups running like crazy all over the anomalies every day Lately i see none or sometimes a small group or maybe 2 on Sundays
So...where are the people?Edited by Drakoleon on September 9, 2014 9:53PM0 -
DaniAngione✭✭✭✭✭After reading all 5 pages of this thread I have to admit I've been doing some math myself and reached some particularly interesting results.
I'm pretty sure (and this is 100% confirmed) that the game has more than 1 and less than X active subscribers, being X the number of people with access to the internet in the world.11 -
Draxuul✭✭✭you can`t do a very accurate estime of how many people are in a zone based on chat window .
There are a lot of people who don`t even pay attention to chat window and don`t chat at all .
I should know , i`m one of those people.
The other day someone was actually sending me whispers after i entered a building , apparently that guy was stuck somewhere , i didn`t see him , but he sent me a total of around 12 whispers while i was inside that building and it wasn`t untill about 15 minutes later that i noticed that someone was talking to me .
When i`m focused on what i`m doing , i don`t even see the chat window .
So yeah , you cannot assume that there is only 10 people in a zone because there are only 10 people chatting .
There could be 30 more just doing their own thing.
DraxuulBe who you want to be , do what you want to do, play the way you want to play.
The Prophet once said :``There is no perfect choice , there are only other choices. ``
Same goes for your build. There is no perfect build, there are only other builds.
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »People asking for numbers:
June 2014:
http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/these-are-the-most-played-pc-games/
July 2014:
http://caas.raptr.com/most-played-pc-games-july-2014-summers-winners-and-losers/
Statistics taken from Raptr'. Not all the gamers use Raptr, just as not all TV watchers have the box that tells what they are watching and gives rating information, still it's like a survey, and to some extend represents the % of people playing each game. As you can see, TESO is at the bottom of the chart in June and isn't even in the chart in July.
No indication on numbers of how many player are actually playing ESO but, WIldstar's population has been estimated to be around 600k to 1 million players.
Eso is clearly under that. Even more people play Civilisation V than TESO.
Tell me again there are hundreds of thousands playing this please.
I can only assume you are advertising for this platform, as I don't think many here have ever heard of it!
You would do better looking at Enjin and seeing how many TESO Guilds there are and how many active members they have. As this would probably represent about 5-10% of the population.
And as for Civ V being higher than ESO points to the fact that they are not good figures. I play Civ V and struggle to find games! Also League of legends has more players than WOW the highest subscribed MMO (8 millionish) so League of Legends has 16 million!!!! I'm sure this would of been reported by Riot Games!!!
It actually has been several times. LOL has more monthly players than WOW, been like that for years now because RIot actually publishes statistics about player data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2012/10/12/league-of-legends-bigger-than-wow-more-daily-players-than-call-of-duty/The numbers
League of Legends by player numbers: 67 million playing every month, 27 million playing every day, and over 7.5 million playing at the same time during each day’s peak play time. - http://www.riotgames.com/our-games
And no, I'm not advertising for this platform, as I explained it's just something that comes with Catalyst for AMD users. People saying "it doesn't work because ESO players don't use this" are obviously clueless about how statistics work, even if only 1% of the players use it and have it installed, it's still representative of gaming hours spent on games.
Keep being blind/ignorant and putting "LoL" on my posts, time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it. Edited by TehMagnus on September 10, 2014 8:39AM10 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People saying "it doesn't work because ESO players don't use this" are obviously clueless about how statistics work, even if only 1% of the players use it and have it installed, it's still representative of gaming hours spent on games.
Keep being blind/ignorant and putting "LoL" on my posts, time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it.
What about people saying statistics lie?
The problem is that you don't know what proportion of ESO players use it, and it could be that a ridiculously small portion of our player base.
You also don't know what proportion of othe MMO players use it, it could be 50% of Wow players use it and less than 1% of ESO players use it. (unlikely to be that different a ratio, but not actually impossible)
Now I'm not saying the population don't appear to have shrunk, but I am saying we don't know by how much or if some of them will come back. I'm also saying we don't know if this game will sink or swim, because the only way to find out is to stay and see.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »People saying "it doesn't work because ESO players don't use this" are obviously clueless about how statistics work, even if only 1% of the players use it and have it installed, it's still representative of gaming hours spent on games.
Keep being blind/ignorant and putting "LoL" on my posts, time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it.
What about people saying statistics lie?
The problem is that you don't know what proportion of ESO players use it, and it could be that a ridiculously small portion of our player base.
You also don't know what proportion of othe MMO players use it, it could be 50% of Wow players use it and less than 1% of ESO players use it. (unlikely to be that different a ratio, but not actually impossible)
Now I'm not saying the population don't appear to have shrunk, but I am saying we don't know by how much or if some of them will come back. I'm also saying we don't know if this game will sink or swim, because the only way to find out is to stay and see.
Ofc but statistically about the same % of WOW, lol and ESO players should have it installed (which is proved by the top 5 games ranking which is accurate and verifiable). The only thing that could falsify results is if a game pushes you to actually install the software (I think someone mentioned Rift so I guess those numbers can't be trusted).
When you call 2000 people on the phone to ask them who they're going to vote for, you can also say: Maybe 10% of those 2K are Republicans and 90% are Democrats. It's possible but unlikely. That's why several polls are done and not just one and that's why it shows a trend and not absolute numbers. Still when 3 different tools show the same trend, you can estimate it's likely to be a bit accurate. You can make statistics mean anything you want and you can explain and analyze the results as you want but the numbers don't lie.
What pisses me off is that most of time when you have this kind of issues and refuse to even acknowledge them you don't act to fix them and that's a guaranteed doom. I have no problems admitting the game has flaws that may have pushed people away. The important thing to do is to acknowledge those flaws, find out why people left and make it so they come back and bring new blood.
Denying will lead us nowhere. Nowhere good at least..Edited by TehMagnus on September 10, 2014 10:05AM5 -
BloodStorm✭✭✭
If theyever go ftp they better release all the zones so people might stick around. I hope Console release does decent I plan on going ps4 in 2015 when it will hit ps4 if at all. Doubt it will come out in December maybe beta then. I hate Ftp games usually because pay to win. In all honesty though ESO only needs to last a year or 2 till ES6 comes out. Of course I hope Bethesda is working on ES6. Of course i want ES6 to be Summerset isle because Summerset has coastal, mountain, and forest and so forth. It would be the best ES game for sure. Also i think all the thalmer in Skyrim were pointing to ES6 being Summerset isles. Also the other 2 smaller islands make for good expansions.I have had the same type of conversation on other games I have played. Tabula Rasa (oh wait, TR is gone now) and Earth & Beyond (Yep, gone too)I have to say, I love your math. You have absolutely no solid numbers. You've made up every single source of numbers in that post.
You do realise that there are more than 40 cities in this game, each having different phases, then (where the majority of players are) there's Cyrodiil; which for each given Campaign there's a certain limit for each alliance (which is met each night)
The game isn't dying. Stop fear mongering and play the game already. If there were as many active subscribers as you've estimated in your post, they'd have shut the servers down weeks ago.
Use the math. I lowballed, even so they are still making a profit with a mere 75k subs. Not a great profit, but the lights are still on and everyones getting a paycheck. What makes you think there are more players? Every sign I see points to a decrease.
Just personal experience. I've recently had a bunch of names on my friend-list light back up, and my old guild is up and running again. A bunch of us (myself included) took a break after launch until they fixed some of their issues. It was nice to come back to the game now that most of the quests are fixed.
Not only that, but they've already mentioned that as soon as the game goes down hill, they'll go free-to-play. That hasn't happened yet, so I guess they're doing alright (which is fine by me).
Edited by BloodStorm on September 10, 2014 10:14AM1 -
Talrenos✭✭✭✭Ok, I'm gonna fabricate some wild estimates based purely on assumptions as well. 83'525 people currently have the first comment badge. Lets assume that only active accounts are counted. Say there's another 16'475 lurkers to get to an even 100k accounts. Assume only 10% of players participate in the forums. That means 1'000'000 active accounts! Not bad at all. Probably wildly inaccurate, but not bad at all.
Allow me to blow your numbers away. You assumed that only active accounts are counted. Your wrong. I no longer have an active sub; it was cancelled, but yet I am still posting and have that badge, so using forums as a means of counting is not going to work.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Just like you can tell how many Steam players are online by counting
Whiterun Wolfhounds. <sarcasm>3 -
Pseudonym✭✭✭DagothMacellarius wrote: »I have had the same type of conversation on other games I have played. Tabula Rasa (oh wait, TR is gone now) and Earth & Beyond (Yep, gone too)I have to say, I love your math. You have absolutely no solid numbers. You've made up every single source of numbers in that post.
You do realise that there are more than 40 cities in this game, each having different phases, then (where the majority of players are) there's Cyrodiil; which for each given Campaign there's a certain limit for each alliance (which is met each night)
The game isn't dying. Stop fear mongering and play the game already. If there were as many active subscribers as you've estimated in your post, they'd have shut the servers down weeks ago.
Use the math. I lowballed, even so they are still making a profit with a mere 75k subs. Not a great profit, but the lights are still on and everyones getting a paycheck. What makes you think there are more players? Every sign I see points to a decrease.
Just personal experience. I've recently had a bunch of names on my friend-list light back up, and my old guild is up and running again. A bunch of us (myself included) took a break after launch until they fixed some of their issues. It was nice to come back to the game now that most of the quests are fixed.
Not only that, but they've already mentioned that as soon as the game goes down hill, they'll go free-to-play. That hasn't happened yet, so I guess they're doing alright (which is fine by me).
In all honesty though ESO only needs to last a year or 2 till ES6 comes out. Of course I hope Bethesda is working on ES6.
Zenimax is continuing with ESO, while Bethesda work on their own projects. If Bethesda carry on as they have been, I think we'll be seeing a new Fallout game next, but fingers crossed for the new ES title.
Basically, Zenimax are doing their thing and Bethesda are doing theirs.2 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭I completely agree with Talrenos.
People just dont want to see or accept they wasted a bit of their money. I accepted that. At the beginning I was an avid fan of ESO (because of TES single player games history) but then I realized how wrong I was about ESO. ESO is dying and I'm not happy about it. Anyway, I can't help. I'm sorry but I will leave too, this is not about Elder Scrolls universe. A random mmo with TES skin just trying to bring TES success to the mmo world. Bad idea.
@nerevarine1138, as I told you, its nearer and nearer, my friend. Want it or not, it will happen as I told you. I guess you will just think I'm a doomsayer and a whiner as usual, but it's ok.Edited by RazielSR on September 10, 2014 11:35AM8 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »People saying "it doesn't work because ESO players don't use this" are obviously clueless about how statistics work, even if only 1% of the players use it and have it installed, it's still representative of gaming hours spent on games.
Keep being blind/ignorant and putting "LoL" on my posts, time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it.
What about people saying statistics lie?
The problem is that you don't know what proportion of ESO players use it, and it could be that a ridiculously small portion of our player base.
You also don't know what proportion of othe MMO players use it, it could be 50% of Wow players use it and less than 1% of ESO players use it. (unlikely to be that different a ratio, but not actually impossible)
Now I'm not saying the population don't appear to have shrunk, but I am saying we don't know by how much or if some of them will come back. I'm also saying we don't know if this game will sink or swim, because the only way to find out is to stay and see.
Ofc but statistically about the same % of WOW, lol and ESO players should have it installed (which is proved by the top 5 games ranking which is accurate and verifiable). The only thing that could falsify results is if a game pushes you to actually install the software (I think someone mentioned Rift so I guess those numbers can't be trusted).
When you call 2000 people on the phone to ask them who they're going to vote for, you can also say: Maybe 10% of those 2K are Republicans and 90% are Democrats. It's possible but unlikely. That's why several polls are done and not just one and that's why it shows a trend and not absolute numbers. Still when 3 different tools show the same trend, you can estimate it's likely to be a bit accurate. You can make statistics mean anything you want and you can explain and analyze the results as you want but the numbers don't lie.
What pisses me off is that most of time when you have this kind of issues and refuse to even acknowledge them you don't act to fix them and that's a guaranteed doom. I have no problems admitting the game has flaws that may have pushed people away. The important thing to do is to acknowledge those flaws, find out why people left and make it so they come back and bring new blood.
Denying will lead us nowhere. Nowhere good at least..
Ok, I do admit that people have left, I do admit there are flaws, and if they use several different types of data gathering the numbers are probably in the ball park area.
I also think they are trying to fix those problems, of course sometimes the fixes make things worse, but they are trying. But fixating on the negatives can also drive people away too, and I think that at the core this game is still good, I just want it to survive long enough to get fixed.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule3 -
Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭I completely agree with Talrenos.
People just dont want to see or accept they wasted a bit of their money. I accepted that. At the beginning I was an avid fan of ESO (because of TES single player games history) but then I realized how wrong I was about ESO. ESO is dying and I'm not happy about it. Anyway, I can't help. I'm sorry but I will leave too, this is not about Elder Scrolls universe. A random mmo with TES skin just trying to bring TES success to the mmo world. Bad idea.
@nerevarine1138, as I told you, its nearer and nearer, my friend. Want it or not, it will happen as I told you. I guess you will just think I'm a doomsayer and a whiner as usual, but it's ok.
And you yourself can determine how we "wasted money" because.....
I'm pretty sure that it is only the describer him/herself that actually decides if the money is worth it. Otherwise they wouldn't still be subscribed after their subscription runs out.3 -
Swampster✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Ok, I do admit that people have left, I do admit there are flaws, and if they use several different types of data gathering the numbers are probably in the ball park area.
I also think they are trying to fix those problems, of course sometimes the fixes make things worse, but they are trying. But fixating on the negatives can also drive people away too, and I think that at the core this game is still good, I just want it to survive long enough to get fixed.
Agree 100% with this.. but sadly I'm not sure if it's getting nearer the point of wondering where the hell the horse has gone, while shutting that stable door...Zorrashi wrote:And you yourself can determine how we "wasted money" because.....
I'm pretty sure that it is only the describer him/herself that actually decides if the money is worth it. Otherwise they wouldn't still be subscribed after their subscription runs out.
Indeed, even if the game closed tomorrow... I wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't consider my money wasted, I've had pretty much the better part of 6 months enjoying this game mostly.. more usage than "90%" of single player games these days.
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✭I started beta a year ago. I pre-ordered the game and have enjoyed it immensely. From beginning to veteran I find very active zones in each alliance. Therefore I would take the doom and gloom stuff with a grain of salt.
I do think that we will see a drop off in subs in November however. There will be a wave of people whose 6 month subs expire. I am a solo PvE player. That was one of the "play it your way" promises of this game. Unfortunately that vision has been lost. All of the major updates have either offered group/raid stuff or cosmetic things like dyes. It does not appear that meaningful new solo content will be released until spring. I have not decided whether to resub in November or to let it lapse until that new content is released. I certainly do not think that I am the only person mulling this over.1 -
JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭Raptr? Wtf is that?
And surveys don't really count. They do not have accurate numbers and details. Like amount of people who took the survey, which region, what age, preferred game style etc.
And if the game is "doomed" why are you still here? If you don't like it, leave.
I think the game is great, and can only get better. The game has alot of potential. Sadly, the last big TES titles attracted alot of console players, who don't like mmos. They expected Skyrim.
That's this games biggest let down, the target audience.
I love this game! It's what I've always wanted from TES. Multiplayer and being able to explore all of Tamriel. Plenty of options and customization.
This game will only get better, and those who truly care and appreciate it will see this game through
I'm not leaving any time soon, and I'm sure I'm not the only one
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 10, 2014 2:09PMFun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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✭✭✭Agree. Game is fine. I don't like group content due to lack of time. But i can drop in and out of PvP anytime. yell "LFG" and you are in one. I did all PvE quests so sadly there is nothing for me except craglorn might i ever find a few people on same stage. But for the rest i keep subbed until i get bored. And i don't think that will happen soon.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Agree. Game is fine. I don't like group content due to lack of time. But i can drop in and out of PvP anytime. yell "LFG" and you are in one. I did all PvE quests so sadly there is nothing for me except craglorn might i ever find a few people on same stage. But for the rest i keep subbed until i get bored. And i don't think that will happen soon.
This ^
So good.
So true ^_^Fun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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yiasemi✭✭✭✭hmmm less and less. I can smell the fear in most of these posts. I have been playing since day one. Almost exclusively at the hard end of a stamina build NB dw. Gone through the entire game, even done VR. And there are less and less players every day. It gives me no satisfaction to say it. I am just hoping they have deep pockets to turn this around. because I have a blast. Even though I am so crap compared to any staff wielder. And that's it. Deal with it, listen to the players and stop the imbalance. Great world, messed up mechanics. I play still cos I have a bizarre sense of humour. That isn't a sensible business model.3 -
Pseudonym✭✭✭
You've given up on the game and unsubscribed, but why are you still here on the forums trying to persuade others that they're wasting their money? If the game goes down hill and becomes free to play a month or two from now, so be it, but right now I'm enjoying myself.
Thanks for your concern.5 -
Yuls✭✭✭✭Started a new twink yesterday, and nearly got trampled in the DC starter zone. Felt almost like head start again; players bustling around to get a hit on a goblin (or snatching 'em away with fiery grip, oh how I missed that...) And there are a lot of players in the v10 zone too, and in the middle of the VR zones, and all the other places I've visited last week. Doesn't look like "less and less players every day" to me.1 -
yiasemi✭✭✭✭Meh ignore stats. They prove anything and everything. Just play. Fewer players at all times every day. Except Germans. Soon the EU server will be German only. I don't mind, but I don't get my wages from ZOS. I have no idea about the US but I expect is similar. (Player-wise, I know German2
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✭I have no idea about the US but I expect is similar.
Um... you expect the US server to be taken over by Germans?
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yiasemi✭✭✭✭No my mouse went screwy, posted and didn't let me correct. I was going to say the US faced a similar situation around the time of the Commonwealth according to history. It may well have been better for it, I am not a racist. Just astonished by how much the player spectrum and numbers have changed in a week on the EU server.0
