Horses Can't Swim

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

Sarenia wrote: »

Since when have real horses been able to swim across deep water with a grown man on their back, wearing fullplate no less? Did I miss that? That's completely mind-blowingly unrealistic on all counts.

Sure we can pull out the old realism vs fantasy argument, but ESO horses are quite obviously intended to mimic real horses. Not unicorns, or pegasi, or flying ninja pandas with saddles. Just horses. Normal, beautiful, old-fashioned horses.

Actually horses do carry grown man over the river, even if it is deep water. They won't do it without training, some do but 90% of time it has to trained. I know this because our country has lots of horses, and work horses here. My family had also farm here, and we trained horses. check that picture, we start training like that, and step by step we achieve that goal. we used horses lot on WW2.
I hope you won't take this personally, or believe that i'm just arguing for joy of disagree. i just want to tell you the reality on this 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zl0iz_aOlCk/UcyyBPGog8I/AAAAAAAAHjk/2z4WjBT0N3Y/s1600/27.6.2013-9.jpg

EDIT i forgot to say that our workhorses can carry on their back, up to 397 lbs. Ground and water. Fullplate won't be a problem.

Spottswoode · September 2014

Your still missing the part, with fullplate. Most modern riders are actually pretty light. The point that keeps coming up is that horses have problems swimming in deep water with heavy loads on their backs. Emphasis. They can carry people across water, but the heavier they are the harder it is. And a muscular full grown adult with heavy armor on is at least 200 lbs. We're also not counting on the riders packs. Some horses CAN manage this with proper training if the water isn't too deep but 200+lbs. is a bit of a stretch. (Btw, 200= Toned female 150 lbs. + 50 lbs. of fullplate. Males would be at least 230.)

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

Spottswoode wrote: »

Your still missing the part, with fullplate. Most modern riders are actually pretty light. The point that keeps coming up is that horses have problems swimming in deep water with heavy loads on their backs. Emphasis. They can carry people across water, but the heavier they are the harder it is. And a muscular full grown adult with heavy armor on is at least 200 lbs. We're also not counting on the riders packs. Some horses CAN manage this with proper training if the water isn't too deep but 200+lbs. is a bit of a stretch. (Btw, 200= Toned female 150 lbs. + 50 lbs. of fullplate. Males would be at least 230.)

Sorry forgot to type but my EDIT "i forgot to say that our workhorses can carry on their back, up to 397 lbs. Ground and water. Fullplate won't be a problem."

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

Spottswoode wrote: »

Your still missing the part, with fullplate. Most modern riders are actually pretty light. The point that keeps coming up is that horses have problems swimming in deep water with heavy loads on their backs. Emphasis. They can carry people across water, but the heavier they are the harder it is. And a muscular full grown adult with heavy armor on is at least 200 lbs. We're also not counting on the riders packs. Some horses CAN manage this with proper training if the water isn't too deep but 200+lbs. is a bit of a stretch. (Btw, 200= Toned female 150 lbs. + 50 lbs. of fullplate. Males would be at least 230.)

"Some horses CAN manage this with proper training if the water isn't too deep but 200+lbs."

I don't know what to say, but our work horses can do this, and to be honest it isn't that hard to train them, what you would think it is. My uncle is alone that 200+lbs, no worries on deep water. this is just us, we have used that horse race since 1907 for war/work.

UrQuan · September 2014

Spottswoode wrote: »

(Btw, 200= Toned female 150 lbs. + 50 lbs. of fullplate. Males would be at least 230.)

Not if they're bosmer

Sarenia · September 2014

killerintheline9 wrote: »

Sarenia wrote: »

Since when have real horses been able to swim across deep water with a grown man on their back, wearing fullplate no less? Did I miss that? That's completely mind-blowingly unrealistic on all counts.

Sure we can pull out the old realism vs fantasy argument, but ESO horses are quite obviously intended to mimic real horses. Not unicorns, or pegasi, or flying ninja pandas with saddles. Just horses. Normal, beautiful, old-fashioned horses.

Actually horses do carry grown man over the river, even if it is deep water. They won't do it without training, some do but 90% of time it has to trained. I know this because our country has lots of horses, and work horses here. My family had also farm here, and we trained horses. check that picture, we start training like that, and step by step we achieve that goal. we used horses lot on WW2.
I hope you won't take this personally, or believe that i'm just arguing for joy of disagree. i just want to tell you the reality on this 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zl0iz_aOlCk/UcyyBPGog8I/AAAAAAAAHjk/2z4WjBT0N3Y/s1600/27.6.2013-9.jpg

EDIT i forgot to say that our workhorses can carry on their back, up to 397 lbs. Ground and water. Fullplate won't be a problem.

Huh. Then I stand corrected.

Had never heard of a heavily laden horse swimming across deep water before. It's hard to even imagine one doing that. It's hard to imagine them being able to maintain enough buoyancy to pull that off. Learn something new every day.

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

wanted to make pic

Sarenia wrote: »

killerintheline9 wrote: »

Sarenia wrote: »

Since when have real horses been able to swim across deep water with a grown man on their back, wearing fullplate no less? Did I miss that? That's completely mind-blowingly unrealistic on all counts.

Sure we can pull out the old realism vs fantasy argument, but ESO horses are quite obviously intended to mimic real horses. Not unicorns, or pegasi, or flying ninja pandas with saddles. Just horses. Normal, beautiful, old-fashioned horses.

Actually horses do carry grown man over the river, even if it is deep water. They won't do it without training, some do but 90% of time it has to trained. I know this because our country has lots of horses, and work horses here. My family had also farm here, and we trained horses. check that picture, we start training like that, and step by step we achieve that goal. we used horses lot on WW2.
I hope you won't take this personally, or believe that i'm just arguing for joy of disagree. i just want to tell you the reality on this 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zl0iz_aOlCk/UcyyBPGog8I/AAAAAAAAHjk/2z4WjBT0N3Y/s1600/27.6.2013-9.jpg

EDIT i forgot to say that our workhorses can carry on their back, up to 397 lbs. Ground and water. Fullplate won't be a problem.

Huh. Then I stand corrected.

Had never heard of a heavily laden horse swimming across deep water before. It's hard to even imagine one doing that. It's hard to imagine them being able to maintain enough buoyancy to pull that off. Learn something new every day.

Great horse, and extremely strong not that fast but strong. And really social of course, hard to get that 100% trust first, but once you get it, that loyal companion follows you without questions, it is amazing, really

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO · September 2014

Depends on the breed of horse too I'd think. The horses in this game look like small trucks!

War horses were typically Friesians or something similar?

UrQuan · September 2014

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

War horses were typically Friesians or something similar?

There's no real way to know for sure. War horses were referred to as destriers, coursers, or rounceys based on the role that they fulfilled, rather than the specific breed (there were also palfreys, but they really weren't used as war horses - they were the preferred horse for long-distance cross-country riding). Obviously some breeds would be more likely to end up as a courser, and others would be more likely to end up as a rouncey, but because the sources refer to various horses by role rather than by breed, it makes it very difficult to know with any certainty what breeds of horses were and weren't used for war.

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

UrQuan wrote: »

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO wrote: »

War horses were typically Friesians or something similar?

There's no real way to know for sure. War horses were referred to as destriers, coursers, or rounceys based on the role that they fulfilled, rather than the specific breed (there were also palfreys, but they really weren't used as war horses - they were the preferred horse for long-distance cross-country riding). Obviously some breeds would be more likely to end up as a courser, and others would be more likely to end up as a rouncey, but because the sources refer to various horses by role rather than by breed, it makes it very difficult to know with any certainty what breeds of horses were and weren't used for war.

basically we had only one breed since year1300, Finnish Universal, Finnish Horse is considered one of the world's strongest&fastest and most versatile coldblooded breed , even though the race classification into a real cold blooded is controversial. According to various sources Finnhorse can be classified as a light-hearted cold-blooded, warm-blooded pregnant or general horse . In Finland, the race was never considered to be a warm bloodied. Finnish horse stud book is divided into four breeding direction of seeking to develop different types of the breed the heavy workhorse, light weight race horse, versatile riding horse, as well as harmonious as an small horse. Ideal for Finnhorse is a versatile, easy to handle horse, which combines strength, agility, speed and endurance. Finnhorse is a vibrant, reliable, smart and easy to handle. So this makes finnhorse able to pull stuff forward 200% more what it weights so it would move 4409lbs for some time. Normal work use it pulls 120-140% of its weight.

So quite horse, beats unicorns like 100-0

Draxuul · September 2014

Strontium wrote: »

Horse travel blows, in this game. Should've been the topic. Says...me.

I rather enjoy it , i`ve almost stopped using wayshrines completly now. The only time i still use wayshrines is when i have to travel more than one zone away from where i am .

But if my destination is inside the same zone or only one zone away i do it all by horse . First , you can get crafting mats this way. Second, you have a chance of getting a dark portal spawn above you which means fighter`s guild exp. You might also pass by a live dark anchor which also means fighter`s guild exp or even find a quest you missed . Or a chest . Or all of the above . Actually , probably all of the above.

If you stick to roads, then you don`t get dismounted by puddles of water .

Though i agree with OP that horses shouldn`t despawn unless they have water above the head lol.

Draxuul

Sarenia · September 2014

Draxuul wrote: »

Strontium wrote: »

Horse travel blows, in this game. Should've been the topic. Says...me.

I rather enjoy it , i`ve almost stopped using wayshrines completly now. The only time i still use wayshrines is when i have to travel more than one zone away from where i am .

Love horse travel too.

I turn on autorun and just steer. It's nice hearing the relaxing rythm of the hooves, and just looking around at the world of Tamriel.

Sometimes you find some interesting stuff too. Recently found a merchant, hidden away in a small nook of rocks on a mountainside. Found a weird statue in his inventory, bought it, and it launched me into a rather naughty side quest, that touched on some of the... shall we say "more decadent" interests of a Daedra worshipper. I have a feeling most people don't even know this quest exists.

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

"Though i agree with OP that horses shouldn`t despawn unless they have water above the head lol."

Finland universal horse also likes dive, for some reason , you definitely get dismounted if he does that lol also check this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWFBqiUgspg

renton1x1x1 · September 2014

must be something in the water because crocodiles cant swim either

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · September 2014

renton1x1x1 wrote: »

must be something in the water because crocodiles cant swim either

Neither can we.

Oh, yeah. We can SKIM the surface of the water, but we can't actually go under it.

And I am bitter about that fact. You hear me? BITTER.

No, really. BIT. TER.

Bitter. >:(

kieso · September 2014

pretty sure it's bred into all animals born on tamriel; no one wants to even risk going into water that's waist deep for fear of slaugtherfish, have you ever seen those things? Ewwww. #alphapredator

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · September 2014

kieso wrote: »

pretty sure it's bred into all animals born on tamriel; no one wants to even risk going into water that's waist deep for fear of slaugtherfish, have you ever seen those things? Ewwww. #alphapredator

yeah got that achievement, laughs included. But happy for points.

achievement for getting killed by fish, heh made my day.

Sarenia · September 2014

kieso wrote: »

pretty sure it's bred into all animals born on tamriel; no one wants to even risk going into water that's waist deep for fear of slaugtherfish, have you ever seen those things? Ewwww. #alphapredator

Wouldn't be surprised if they add swimming later. Every intensive commercial game development project these days is faced with the question of prioritization vs monetary resources. They probably put swimming animations at a low priority, and either stuck with not having them, or plan to get to it after more important stuff.

It's one of those dirty little secrets of game development that often gets overlooked by consumers. The balancing act of "what we want" vs "what we can pull off before the investors hang us", followed by the inevitable tough decision of "Is this good enough to release? Are we at the perfect balance of completion vs investment?" It's a sink or swim decision (pun intended) and sometimes stuff has to get cut out, or glossed over in the process.

Mondo · September 2014

Sea Horses can swim!