I have not had an issue obtaining Kutas. They are rare, but was that not intended? As far as motifs I do not farm them enough to notice any change.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Theosis wrote: »

I haven't seen a vet motif in maybe 2 months.

I have never found a rare recipe.

I loot everything everywhere.

Ok, people. Here's our data! Conclusive, incontrovertible evidence!

See? Motif drop rates haven't been lowered with the patch! They were lowered two months ago. And they also stopped dropping everything else. Bad luck doesn't exist! The developers have clearly conspired against us.

Do you happen to have an conclusive, incontrovertible evidence that there was not change? Or are you just being augmentative?

I don't need to present conclusive, incontrovertible evidence that things haven't changed. For one, you can't prove a negative. More importantly, if you're making a claim that something has changed, you're the one who needs to prove something.

Interesting position. You won't accept any evidence any of us can provide yet you demand evidence any time anyone suggests something may have changed. The closest thing to evidence anyone can provide is their experience and you instantly jump all over those threads with some quip about anecdotes. The truth is that the people that farm motifs daily and have experienced a sudden change is a more valid argument than "Nothing has changed unless you provide proof that is impossible to provide" from someone on a forum.

You aren't presenting evidence; you're presenting informally-collected anecdotes. To reuse another metaphor: if I went to the bar at a Vegas hotel, I'd probably start to believe that no one wins at the poker tables.

Again, what you say may be accurate, but to claim that it's confirmed/true/verified is completely misleading. No one has verified anything. You have a handful of people (seriously, less than a dozen) claiming that this can't just be bad luck. And that's not evidence of any kind.

So if experience is just anecdotes what exactly do you expect people to provide?

No one has verified that the code for this is exactly the same as it was before. You are not providing evidence of any kind. I'm not asking to prove a negative, prove a positive that the code pertaining the motif drop rate is exactly the same as before the patch. Otherwise your claim of "bad luck" is nothing more than an anecdote itself. You don't know that it is just bad luck you are just using anecdotes to present the claim. The truth is you have exactly as much evidence that nothing has changed as anyone has that it has changed. The only difference is some people have actual experience in game testing it when you have not presented any evidence of actually testing it.

I got two VR motifs over the weekend (post patch 1.3.4) and an Imperial on a bank mule last week. This is with a good bit of container searching. So, it isn't broken but the rates may be lower for the Motifs. In the same timeframe I have gotten at least three purple VR recipes. This is all on one character in the Silver VR areas.

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

I loot every container I see, for the last week I have not seen a single motif (only the vet motifs seem to be broken not the racial ones) or a purple recipe. I also farmed runes for a good hour which usually yields about 3-4 kuta's. I did not get a single one.

I got some friends together to help test, we farmed motifs for an hour and not a single one dropped ( or purple recipes for that matter), then we farmed runes in different zones for an hour and not a single Kuta dropped. This has only been happening since he last update. Is this a known issue or is it just really bad luck?

Nothing like going through a Vet dungeon and getting Ta's.

I use them as coasters at this point in the game.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Theosis wrote: »

I haven't seen a vet motif in maybe 2 months.

I have never found a rare recipe.

I loot everything everywhere.

Ok, people. Here's our data! Conclusive, incontrovertible evidence!

See? Motif drop rates haven't been lowered with the patch! They were lowered two months ago. And they also stopped dropping everything else. Bad luck doesn't exist! The developers have clearly conspired against us.

Do you happen to have an conclusive, incontrovertible evidence that there was not change? Or are you just being augmentative?

I don't need to present conclusive, incontrovertible evidence that things haven't changed. For one, you can't prove a negative. More importantly, if you're making a claim that something has changed, you're the one who needs to prove something.

Interesting position. You won't accept any evidence any of us can provide yet you demand evidence any time anyone suggests something may have changed. The closest thing to evidence anyone can provide is their experience and you instantly jump all over those threads with some quip about anecdotes. The truth is that the people that farm motifs daily and have experienced a sudden change is a more valid argument than "Nothing has changed unless you provide proof that is impossible to provide" from someone on a forum.

You aren't presenting evidence; you're presenting informally-collected anecdotes. To reuse another metaphor: if I went to the bar at a Vegas hotel, I'd probably start to believe that no one wins at the poker tables.

Again, what you say may be accurate, but to claim that it's confirmed/true/verified is completely misleading. No one has verified anything. You have a handful of people (seriously, less than a dozen) claiming that this can't just be bad luck. And that's not evidence of any kind.

So if experience is just anecdotes what exactly do you expect people to provide?

No one has verified that the code for this is exactly the same as it was before. You are not providing evidence of any kind. I'm not asking to prove a negative, prove a positive that the code pertaining the motif drop rate is exactly the same as before the patch. Otherwise your claim of "bad luck" is nothing more than an anecdote itself. You don't know that it is just bad luck you are just using anecdotes to present the claim. The truth is you have exactly as much evidence that nothing has changed as anyone has that it has changed. The only difference is some people have actual experience in game testing it when you have not presented any evidence of actually testing it.

I give up.

If you have evidence (not random people saying that they haven't seen a drop), actual statistical evidence to support your claim that it's changed, go ahead and present it. If you don't, then you're just speculating. I don't have to prove that they didn't change it any more than I need to prove that a casino owner hasn't specially rigged one of the slot machines to pay out at higher rates than the others. You're the one making an assertion that something's changed: back it up. These are basic debating principles here, people.

I'm glad you are giving up on just arguing to argue! That is good news for the entire forum. I never stated anywhere that it is bugged for a fact .. and you know as well as I do that evidence you demand is not possible to produce. So why not ask for a purple unicorn?

There is absolutely no difference in people speculating that there was a change and you speculating that there was not .. except for the fact they have tested it and you just posted about it on the forum.

It might be more of a function that there are 8 Motifs in 1 to 50 (plus the Rare Imperial), and just two or three for VR 1 to 5 and two or three for VR 6 to 10. So, based on that alone, they should drop less.

Now, I don't know how the leveled lists works, is it one big pile of stuff, or is there a RNG that says, drop a Motif or drop a Prov Mat or whatever. Then another RNG that specifies which of those to drop I don't know.

Well, may I be cursed with randy khajiits upon my back for ever more. Load the new patch and get a blue motif drop in the second group of containers I check (the aforementioned playful felines). Yeehah, back to the old days. Thanks for listening ZOS (I hope, maybe it was just a fluke). But I'm happy to admit when I have been wrong too.

Nestor wrote: »

It might be more of a function that there are 8 Motifs in 1 to 50 (plus the Rare Imperial), and just two or three for VR 1 to 5 and two or three for VR 6 to 10. So, based on that alone, they should drop less.

Now, I don't know how the leveled lists works, is it one big pile of stuff, or is there a RNG that says, drop a Motif or drop a Prov Mat or whatever. Then another RNG that specifies which of those to drop I don't know.

So basically what you are saying is that once you reach the VR levels, you should never find another Blue level motif book, correct? If that's the case then it does make sense that your chances of finding a rare purple level Motif book is much less. Like I indicated in my previous post, my wife did find a Barbaric last night, so I know they are out there.

Ashtaris wrote: »

So basically what you are saying is that once you reach the VR levels, you should never find another Blue level motif book, correct? If that's the case then it does make sense that your chances of finding a rare purple level Motif book is much less. Like I indicated in my previous post, my wife did find a Barbaric last night, so I know they are out there.

TBH, I am not sure if the base motifs still drop or not in VR. The last one I saw was while I was in the High 40's. Now, I don't go out looking for Motifs, as my Crafters all have Motifs 1 to 9, my Imperial can covert what he gets if I want that style on him.

I do poke my nose into containers from time to time, but not at all like I used to.

I can say, without a doubt, that in my own experience, rare purple motifs are now far, far, far, more rare than they used to be, ever, since the last patch. Far more rare. I have not received even one...not a single one...rare purple motif, since the last patch, and I spend , and have spent, a lot of time opening containers. I have followed the same exact path opening the very same containers for a very very long time, and as of the last patch, they (the rare purple motifs, specially) have not dropped for me, even once.
For the people that want to tell me, or anyone else, how to spend their game time ("that's not playing the game")...I enjoy both gathering and hunting, and the although I am not super rich like some folks are, I do OK for me. Since I pay my account, I am entitled to "play" any way I see fit, I figure. Fair enough?
So, hopefully, someone on the Dev team can take a look. Perhaps it really is "bad luck"...but think about it...when was the last time you saw a motif for sale in chat? I saw my first Barbaric tonight and it is going for an asking price of 29K. 29K. Nuff said.

Can you specify your server please? Dont forget that we have 2 different servers and this is might be a bug only on one. Thanks.

epic recipes shouldn't drop at a rate where (as you admit on your own) it can be possible to acquire one and two of them every day, sorry.
i think that was a logical step, and for me at least, one anyone could have seen coming. Better late than ever, ok, but at least rare is rare.

what i would have found hilarious (if this wasn't -my- game of choice as well), is that
a) somehow this has become an issue to be concerned about
b) no one minds that they are -already- so common its a few hundred g to have one made for you. Zero ownership value
c) way crafting is, with no BoPs, with raw mats more expensive than V+++ gear... one would have thought all you 'dedicated' crafters would have focused your posts/efforts on other aspects.