Simstar wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

There is not enough data to support the notion that the passive skill is the reason for increased drops. It may be. It may not be. Right now, since there's nothing to support the notion that it is related, I'm erring towards the "not" side.

I'll just make a comment as I'm the author for the above mentioned data which I posted here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128060/my-enchanter-hirelings-never-bring-kutas-ever/p3

In that thread I publish my results which is only from the past 1½ month in order to maintain relevance. (Older data (1½-4 months), which is based on 280 hirelings mails resulted in 0 kutas aswell)

I show the results from 179 hireling mails without Asp extraction. -> 0 Kuta gained

and from 81 hireling mails with 1-2 points invested in Asp extraction -> 22 Kutas gained (~27% chance on average)

I claim there is a trend showing the necessity for Asp extraction. I never claim statistical significance!!!

However, the hypothesis was supported by numerous other people with maxed out enchanters, but no points in Asp extraction, as example:

@Sadae: 4 Hirelings x 2 months x 30 days = 240 Hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
@Mujuro: ~60+ hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
@ViciousWayz: 28 Hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128060/my-enchanter-hirelings-never-bring-kutas-ever/p1

Another interesting part was, that when these people invested points into Asp extraction, they suddenly received Kutas.

Clearly, this thread receives justification from these observations alone, which is based on the experiences from several people and from a high amount of repetitions (179 in my case, 240 in the case of @Sadae)!


You @nerevarine1138 claim that we lack data! Well, let me ask you this: How many hireling mails in a row and from how many people would it take to satisfy you?

For the fun of it I'll play along with you and do a bit of simple math: Lets say you have 10% chance of getting a Kuta when you have reached the skills necessary to obtain it (This may be quite low, and to your favor, as my data says 27%)

179 repetitions with a 90% of not getting a kuta will happen with a probability of: 0,9^179 = 6,44776 x 10^-9 = 0,000000645 % for this event to occur.

This would hence be a natural event to happen once for every 150 million players. We are several people reporting this here on forums (probably more experiencing this, but not checking forums)

Enough justification now @nerevarine1138?


Edit: spellings

Slurg wrote: »

There was a thread on another subject where ZOS had recommended using the /feedback feature in game since that's more likely to make it to developers. Has anyone tried that?

As more user data is collected in these threads, there does appear to be a correlation between aspect extraction and receiving Kuta, even though the sample size is small. The developers would be able to see across all accounts whether there is a causative effect.

Also, while I'm giving unsolicited advice, I find the best way to deal with someone who continually trolls threads is not to keep responding, but to click into their profile and hit the ignore button.

SirAndy wrote: »

To add to that, i noticed that my alts who *don't* have any points in aspect extraction now also see significantly more red runes in the world.

I have 3 characters (out of 8 total) with 1 point in aspect extraction and regardless of what alt i play, it seems about half of the runes i find are now red.

I don't think this is working as intended ...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone. We were able to take a look at this, and it does appear that there was an issue that was preventing some of you from receiving kuta from your hireling. We're working on a fix now, and hope to roll it out very soon. Thanks for bringing this to our attention (from all threads and avenues)!

kitsinni wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone. We were able to take a look at this, and it does appear that there was an issue that was preventing some of you from receiving kuta from your hireling. We're working on a fix now, and hope to roll it out very soon. Thanks for bringing this to our attention (from all threads and avenues)!

@nerevarine1138 just for you bro

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

You see what happens when you start looking for patterns that don't exist?

There is no way, no way at all, not even a miniscule glimmer of a chance that your Enchanting passives impact what runestones you see in the world. Those are the same for every player in the same instance as you.

First, let me say that just because you repeat your post 3 times doesn't make it any more true or valid.

Now that this is out of the way, you do realize that there is a difference between how things *should* work and how things *do* work. Yes?

Of course the oddball pattern i mentioned could be nothing more than RNG at the wrong place and the wrong time.

Dismissing that observed pattern based on your layman understanding of computer programming is foolish. But you already knew that.
;-)

Let's be clear about a few things.

1. Your described issue is not even remotely close to the OP's problem, nor is it possible. You were talking about runestones in the world coming up as a specific type more often because of your passives. That's actually impossible, besides being unrelated to the thread.

2. OP, much as you'd like to pretend that I did, at no point did I say that there was no way there was an issue; I simply said there was no data to prove that it was an issue, much less that it was tied to a specific passive. And the moderator post here doesn't confirm the Aspect Extraction theory; it simply confirms that there was an underlying systemic issue. Notice how I completely accept that because ZO has the tools to actually test it, not just the word of a few disgruntled players.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Please explain how a runestone that is the same for everyone in your instance would be affected in any way by your character's passives.