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Do Kuta still come from hirelings?
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Third kuta in a week after putting 3 points in aspect extraction. After 3 months of getting none. Had 4/4 aspect improvement the whole time
It would be interesting to see a poll of the people who receive Kuta from hirelings how many have points in aspect extraction. I get the feeling people here don't really answer polls honestly though.0 -
Simstar✭Please check out statistics I've posted in this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128060/my-enchanter-hirelings-never-bring-kutas-ever/p3Edited by Simstar on September 2, 2014 1:57PM0 -
charley222✭✭✭✭i play hardcore and find only 1 on the map in 5 or 6 month
drop rate are very rare you got more chance using the hirelingsthe wall of the covenant0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭I have got my second Kuta in a week after putting points in aspect extraction after not getting them for months after I respecced and took those points out. More anecdotal evidence to add. Take what you will from it. I also noticed @Simstar statistics the only ones that got Kuta had points in Aspect Extraction. I tried to make a poll about it, but we all know the polls around here are not very reliable, but only three people mentioned getting Kuta from hirelings without points in Aspect extraction.
.. enter the ramblings about luck and RNG etc.0 -
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✭I dunno how many came from hirelings, but with 4 for enchanting, only one of them 3/3, i have a total of 11 since pre launch (never used one).0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Make that 3 Kuta in a week now. If that is just random luck and RNG it is pretty amazing timing.0
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heyguyslol✭✭✭Third kuta in a week after putting 3 points in aspect extraction. After 3 months of getting none. Had 4/4 aspect improvement the whole time
I've been getting kuta now everyday no lie ever since i put in 3/3 aspect extraction. I'm now on my 6th kuta.@heyguyslol
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1 Kuta without Aspect Extraction since the start of ESO.
3 Kuta's in 2 days after having skilled Aspect Extraction.
I don't wanna kow, how many Kuta's I've missed because I thought Aspect Extraction was useless, thx a lot for making me aware of this issue.Noricum
Thx to Giny, Sarana, Thaili, Derra, Cherahim, Gloy, Raweelz and Drimacus, you make the game worth playing even with AoE-caps, no usefull progression past Assault / Support Rank 10, and with PvP being not even close to balanced.
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Simstar✭philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »1 Kuta without Aspect Extraction since the start of ESO.
3 Kuta's in 2 days after having skilled Aspect Extraction.
I don't wanna kow, how many Kuta's I've missed because I thought Aspect Extraction was useless, thx a lot for making me aware of this issue.
Spread the word! All players should have this knowledge!
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✭✭✭I had 3 kuta's in 1 week. Hopefully my hireling will keep this up. else he is fired.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Yet another one today lol. I know people want to argue luck and RNG all day long but it is back to exactly like it was before I took those points out of Aspect Extraction starting the day I put them back in. I guess it is possible it is just RNG, luck, and timing but that would be pushing the boundaries of RNG and luck.0
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✭Hireling sent me another kuta last week. I think it was actually from one of my alts with only 1 in hireling, too.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
You are pretty funny. Multiple people get none, they all put points in the same skill at the same time and start getting them and you are still guaranteeing that everything is completely random? Even with people that kept detailed statistics on how many they received over hundreds of hireling mails and 100% that received a kuta had points in Aspect Extraction but I guess 100% of those cases just all happened to be RNG and random luck?
Is it really that hard for you to accept the concept that it might be tied to Aspect Extraction? I love how you are so convinced that everything is luck you don't even want to accept that fact people are actually testing this and getting results.
Of course anyone who has been on this forum more than once knows how much you love to argue any point endlessly.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
You are pretty funny. Multiple people get none, they all put points in the same skill at the same time and start getting them and you are still guaranteeing that everything is completely random? Even with people that kept detailed statistics on how many they received over hundreds of hireling mails and 100% that received a kuta had points in Aspect Extraction but I guess 100% of those cases just all happened to be RNG and random luck?
Is it really that hard for you to accept the concept that it might be tied to Aspect Extraction? I love how you are so convinced that everything is luck you don't even want to accept that fact people are actually testing this and getting results.
Of course anyone who has been on this forum more than once knows how much you love to argue any point endlessly.
Holy Stendarr, it's a miracle!
Let me back up.
See, I went to the slot machines this morning. And I was losing everything. But then, I started just tapping my left foot on the ground twice before I pulled the handle on the machine. Started winning tons of money. Clearly, the machines are rigged so that they only pay out when I tap my foot on the ground twice before pulling the lever.
That is literally the type of "statistical analysis" you've performed on the Kuta drop rate in hireling mails. If I threw a hissy fit of this proportion every time my hirelings didn't send me a legendary item, there wouldn't be any other threads on the front page. It would just be a giant wall of "I didn't get what I wanted, therefore the game is broken!"----
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
You are pretty funny. Multiple people get none, they all put points in the same skill at the same time and start getting them and you are still guaranteeing that everything is completely random? Even with people that kept detailed statistics on how many they received over hundreds of hireling mails and 100% that received a kuta had points in Aspect Extraction but I guess 100% of those cases just all happened to be RNG and random luck?
Is it really that hard for you to accept the concept that it might be tied to Aspect Extraction? I love how you are so convinced that everything is luck you don't even want to accept that fact people are actually testing this and getting results.
Of course anyone who has been on this forum more than once knows how much you love to argue any point endlessly.
Holy Stendarr, it's a miracle!
Let me back up.
See, I went to the slot machines this morning. And I was losing everything. But then, I started just tapping my left foot on the ground twice before I pulled the handle on the machine. Started winning tons of money. Clearly, the machines are rigged so that they only pay out when I tap my foot on the ground twice before pulling the lever.
That is literally the type of "statistical analysis" you've performed on the Kuta drop rate in hireling mails. If I threw a hissy fit of this proportion every time my hirelings didn't send me a legendary item, there wouldn't be any other threads on the front page. It would just be a giant wall of "I didn't get what I wanted, therefore the game is broken!"
More like "I didn't get what I thought I should get" someone suggested try X, many people tried X and almost instantly got what they wanted and made the suggestion that trying X worked .. and you threw a fit for some reason.
Run some statistical analysis on the chances of getting 0 for months starting exactly when I took the points out of Aspect extraction then 4 in a week as soon as I put the points back in. Then add all the other people that had the exact same experience. Then run the statistics on which is more absurd still assuming it is all RNG or that Aspect Extraction is tied in to it.
If you were at a slot machine every day for months and never won ever, then started tapping your foot and won over and over again, then everyone else in your row tapped their foot and won over and over I would actually assume that there was something the tapping was triggering something that was making you win. I think it would would be a bit absurd to assume that it had nothing to do with it because it is theoretically possible although mathematically near impossible.0 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭I fully agree with Kitsinni's view on Aspect Extraction. I'm fully convinced that Aspect Extraction is tied to kuta hireling deliveries.
Don't want to put points in Aspect Extraction? Your problem. Not mine.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Let's assume that you measured time correctly, and that you actually didn't get a Kuta for two months (that's actually longer than you've claimed, based on your OP, but two is a nice whole number). That's about 60 days. So it is, at most, 120 hireling mails.
Now, you and I know that you haven't gotten to your hireling mail every day at exactly the same time, but again, let's just make it a clean number. So 120 opportunities to get a Kuta.
Even if the drop rate for legendary items is between 1 and 5% (as it almost assuredly is), that's still an acceptable scenario. You aren't playing with big enough numbers to see a pattern. And if you have a handful of people all insisting that they had their "special trick" that changed their results, that's also not a big enough number to be statistically significant.
Where are the standards here? All you're going on is a few people on a forum saying "I didn't notice any dropping, and now I got some." That's not good enough.----
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Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭
Keep spreading your words. I'd rather have people not believe that Aspect Extraction affects Kuta rates. If everyone had loads of kutas every day, then I wouldn't be able to sell them for as high as I can right now.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Let's assume that you measured time correctly, and that you actually didn't get a Kuta for two months (that's actually longer than you've claimed, based on your OP, but two is a nice whole number). That's about 60 days. So it is, at most, 120 hireling mails.
Now, you and I know that you haven't gotten to your hireling mail every day at exactly the same time, but again, let's just make it a clean number. So 120 opportunities to get a Kuta.
Even if the drop rate for legendary items is between 1 and 5% (as it almost assuredly is), that's still an acceptable scenario. You aren't playing with big enough numbers to see a pattern. And if you have a handful of people all insisting that they had their "special trick" that changed their results, that's also not a big enough number to be statistically significant.
Where are the standards here? All you're going on is a few people on a forum saying "I didn't notice any dropping, and now I got some." That's not good enough.
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭I have three enchanter hirelings and the chances of getting one are far higher than 5% or I am extremely lucky as I have never gone a week without getting at least one gold from every single one of my hirelings. Not to mention that including today I have got four since Aug 25th on just one hirelingwhen it was suggested in this thread that Aspect Extraction and I put 3/3 back in.
Also just ignore the multiple people in this thread and the ones in the support forum about the same topic all of which have got multiples since putting those points back in aspect extraction.
Also ignore all of this data that presented of 260 hireling mails with 100% of kuta coming only from ones with Aspect Extraction. Then ignore that 100% of the hirelings with aspect extraction also got Kuta.
These are the Aspect rune statistics from 79 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3, Pot 1/9, Asp Imp. 1/4 , Asp Ext. 0/3
Ta: 13%
Jejota: 10%
Denata: 14%
Rekuta: 0%
Kuta: 0%
Combined chance for any Asp rune: 37%
These are the Aspect rune statistics from 89 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3, Pot 2/9, Asp Imp. 2/4 , Asp Ext. 0/3
Ta: 9%
Jejota: 7%
Denata: 23%
Rekuta: 19%
Kuta: 0%
Combined chance for any Asp rune: 57%
These are the Aspect rune statistics from 11 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3, Pot 4/9, Asp Imp. 3/4 , Asp Ext. 0/3
Ta: 8%
Jejota: 8%
Denata: 17%
Rekuta: 17%
Kuta: 0%
Combined chance for any Asp rune: 50%
These are the Aspect rune statistics from 21 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3, Pot 2/9, Asp Imp. 2/4 , Asp Ext. 1/3
Ta: 5%
Jejota: 10%
Denata: 5%
Rekuta: 29%
Kuta: 5%
Combined chance for any Asp rune: 52%
These are the Aspect rune statistics from 23 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3, Pot 4/9, Asp Imp. 3/4 , Asp Ext. 1/3
Ta: 4%
Jejota: 9%
Denata: 4%
Rekuta: 17%
Kuta: 48%
Combined chance for any Asp rune: 83%
These are the Aspect rune statistics from 37 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3, Pot 2/9, Asp Imp. 3/4 , Asp Ext. 2/3
Ta: 8%
Jejota: 14%
Denata: 22%
Rekuta: 11%
Kuta: 19%
Combined chance for any Asp rune: 73%
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭As for standards show us some code or statistical evidence that it is NOT tied to Aspect Extraction since you seem to know for a fact. Where are your statistics proving it isn't other than you on the forum saying no it's all just RNG?0
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As for standards show us some code or statistical evidence that it is NOT tied to Aspect Extraction since you seem to know for a fact. Where are your statistics proving it isn't other than you on the forum saying no it's all just RNG?
I don't need to show that it is random. That's like asking me to prove Russell's Teapot doesn't exist.
Random is random, and a sampling of less than 100 of your own hireling mails at a time is not data. If you presented that analysis to any kind of published journal, they'd say it wasn't conclusive.Edited by nerevarine1138 on September 3, 2014 6:18PM----
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »As for standards show us some code or statistical evidence that it is NOT tied to Aspect Extraction since you seem to know for a fact. Where are your statistics proving it isn't other than you on the forum saying no it's all just RNG?
I don't need to show that it is random. That's like asking me to prove Russell's Teapot doesn't exist.
Random is random, and a sampling of less than 100 of your own hireling mails at a time is not data. If you presented that analysis to any kind of published journal, they'd say it wasn't conclusive.
I never said prove it isn't random. I said prove it isn't tied to Aspect Extraction which is the argument. Everyone agrees it is random, some of us feel it is tied to Aspect Extraction and you seem to know for a fact it isn't. I have noticed you are always big on these demands of evidence yet never follow through on providing any to back up your points.
.. last I checked there are no "published journals" about ESO hirelings .. you are really stretching thin here must mean you are out of meaningful contributions.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »As for standards show us some code or statistical evidence that it is NOT tied to Aspect Extraction since you seem to know for a fact. Where are your statistics proving it isn't other than you on the forum saying no it's all just RNG?
I don't need to show that it is random. That's like asking me to prove Russell's Teapot doesn't exist.
Random is random, and a sampling of less than 100 of your own hireling mails at a time is not data. If you presented that analysis to any kind of published journal, they'd say it wasn't conclusive.
I never said prove it isn't random. I said prove it isn't tied to Aspect Extraction which is the argument. Everyone agrees it is random, some of us feel it is tied to Aspect Extraction and you seem to know for a fact it isn't. I have noticed you are always big on these demands of evidence yet never follow through on providing any to back up your points.
.. last I checked there are no "published journals" about ESO hirelings .. you are really stretching thin here must mean you are out of meaningful contributions.
I'm not the one making extraordinary claims. Again, prove Russell's Teapot doesn't exist, and then you can demand that I provide evidence to refute your claims.
There is not enough data to support the notion that the passive skill is the reason for increased drops. It may be. It may not be. Right now, since there's nothing to support the notion that it is related, I'm erring towards the "not" side.----
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »As for standards show us some code or statistical evidence that it is NOT tied to Aspect Extraction since you seem to know for a fact. Where are your statistics proving it isn't other than you on the forum saying no it's all just RNG?
I don't need to show that it is random. That's like asking me to prove Russell's Teapot doesn't exist.
Random is random, and a sampling of less than 100 of your own hireling mails at a time is not data. If you presented that analysis to any kind of published journal, they'd say it wasn't conclusive.
I never said prove it isn't random. I said prove it isn't tied to Aspect Extraction which is the argument. Everyone agrees it is random, some of us feel it is tied to Aspect Extraction and you seem to know for a fact it isn't. I have noticed you are always big on these demands of evidence yet never follow through on providing any to back up your points.
.. last I checked there are no "published journals" about ESO hirelings .. you are really stretching thin here must mean you are out of meaningful contributions.
I'm not the one making extraordinary claims. Again, prove Russell's Teapot doesn't exist, and then you can demand that I provide evidence to refute your claims.
There is not enough data to support the notion that the passive skill is the reason for increased drops. It may be. It may not be. Right now, since there's nothing to support the notion that it is related, I'm erring towards the "not" side.
No one is talking about teapots. There are no extraordinary claims. There is some evidence to suggest it is tied to Aspect Extraction and the only evidence I see here that it isn't is your deceleration. What are you declaring that based on? Did some dev give you the inside scoop? Was there some published journal on the effects of Aspect Extraction with enchanter hirelings? Did you do any testing yourself? Was there something in the TOS stating that there would never be a time that Aspect Extraction could influence how often you got certain mats from hirelings? Maybe put the teapot down for a while?
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Simstar✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »There is not enough data to support the notion that the passive skill is the reason for increased drops. It may be. It may not be. Right now, since there's nothing to support the notion that it is related, I'm erring towards the "not" side.
I'll just make a comment as I'm the author for the above mentioned data which I posted here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128060/my-enchanter-hirelings-never-bring-kutas-ever/p3
In that thread I publish my results which is only from the past 1½ month in order to maintain relevance. (Older data (1½-4 months), which is based on 280 hirelings mails resulted in 0 kutas aswell)
I show the results from 179 hireling mails without Asp extraction. -> 0 Kuta gained
and from 81 hireling mails with 1-2 points invested in Asp extraction -> 22 Kutas gained (~27% chance on average)
I claim there is a trend showing the necessity for Asp extraction. I never claim statistical significance!!!
However, the hypothesis was supported by numerous other people with maxed out enchanters, but no points in Asp extraction, as example:
@Sadae: 4 Hirelings x 2 months x 30 days = 240 Hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
@Mujuro: ~60+ hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
@ViciousWayz: 28 Hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128060/my-enchanter-hirelings-never-bring-kutas-ever/p1
Another interesting part was, that when these people invested points into Asp extraction, they suddenly received Kutas.
Clearly, this thread receives justification from these observations alone, which is based on the experiences from several people and from a high amount of repetitions (179 in my case, 240 in the case of @Sadae)!
You @nerevarine1138 claim that we lack data! Well, let me ask you this: How many hireling mails in a row and from how many people would it take to satisfy you?
For the fun of it I'll play along with you and do a bit of simple math: Lets say you have 10% chance of getting a Kuta when you have reached the skills necessary to obtain it (This may be quite low, and to your favor, as my data says 27%)
179 repetitions with a 90% of not getting a kuta will happen with a probability of: 0,9^179 = 6,44776 x 10^-9 = 0,000000645 % for this event to occur.
This would hence be a natural event to happen once for every 150 million players. We are several people reporting this here on forums (probably more experiencing this, but not checking forums)
Enough justification now @nerevarine1138?
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »There is not enough data to support the notion that the passive skill is the reason for increased drops. It may be. It may not be. Right now, since there's nothing to support the notion that it is related, I'm erring towards the "not" side.
I'll just make a comment as I'm the author for the above mentioned data which I posted here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128060/my-enchanter-hirelings-never-bring-kutas-ever/p3
In that thread I publish my results which is only from the past 1½ month in order to maintain relevance. (Older data (1½-4 months), which is based on 280 hirelings mails resulted in 0 kutas aswell)
I show the results from 179 hireling mails without Asp extraction. -> 0 Kuta gained
and from 81 hireling mails with 1-2 points invested in Asp extraction -> 22 Kutas gained (~27% chance on average)
I claim there is a trend showing the necessity for Asp extraction. I never claim statistical significance!!!
However, the hypothesis was supported by numerous other people with maxed out enchanters, but no points in Asp extraction, as example:
@Sadae: 4 Hirelings x 2 months x 30 days = 240 Hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
@Mujuro: ~60+ hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
@ViciousWayz: 28 Hireling mails -> 0 Kuta gained
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128060/my-enchanter-hirelings-never-bring-kutas-ever/p1
Another interesting part was, that when these people invested points into Asp extraction, they suddenly received Kutas.
Clearly, this thread receives justification from these observations alone, which is based on the experiences from several people and from a high amount of repetitions (179 in my case, 240 in the case of @Sadae)!
You @nerevarine1138 claim that we lack data! Well, let me ask you this: How many hireling mails in a row and from how many people would it take to satisfy you?
For the fun of it I'll play along with you and do a bit of simple math: Lets say you have 10% chance of getting a Kuta when you have reached the skills necessary to obtain it (This may be quite low, and to your favor, as my data says 27%)
179 repetitions with a 90% of not getting a kuta will happen with a probability of: 0,9^179 = 6,44776 x 10^-9 = 0,000000645 % for this event to occur.
This would hence be a natural event to happen once for every 150 million players. We are several people reporting this here on forums (probably more experiencing this, but not checking forums)
Enough justification now @nerevarine1138?
Edit: spellings
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This is exactly how religions form.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Simstar✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »
/sigh
This is exactly how religions form.
From statistics? From objectively presented data?
I think the opposite...0