MercyKilling wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why people farm materials when loot falls from the sky like mana. I decon EVERYTHING green and above quality and have never had a shortage of materials for making my own stuff.

Deconning green and above loot has a much higher rate of temper material gain than refining raw materials in my experiences, and it also has the added bonus of providing valuable xp while leveling the crafting skill in the first place.

Gathering materials does nothing.

The term "farming" does not just describe gathering,,,, Hunting enemies and killing them for their loot (to vendor or deconstruct) is also "farming".

And my point still stands. You get more than enough loot by simple normal adventuring. Farming is totally unnecessary.

sometimes people get super bored and tired of doing quest after quest and want to mix it up a bit by mindlessly slaying enemies. Nothing wrong with it, you don't have to do it but some folks are add

Woolenthreads wrote: »

I guess I farm a little. I don't go for materials, could care less for motifs (although they are starting to build) but I want at least one Scuttle and one Dragon-sap recipe and I haven't gotten one yet, so I'll keep doing the rounds staying L15, until I get one. It's aggravating that I still often find L1 recipes but rarely find L10/L15 recipes. I know from one of my other Alts that as soon as I level up I'll only find L20 recipes .

Motif farming is one thing, I combine it with mats for provisioning and daeric hearts and the other rare style stones.
tend to comb the area I pass trough too while questing but has rarely done much grinding except running public dungeons multiple times.

sotonin wrote: »

They have lost a TON.... literally all my RL friends / family who played are gone.

Huh... All my friends/family are still playing so they must not have lost many players at all.

Maybe anecdotal evidence isn't the best thing to base your argument on.

I randomly looted a Kuta from a node last week and later noticed someone buying Kuta on zone chat for 3k each. I went ahead and sold it to the guy since I'm not an enchanter and I needed the coin, but noticed his character name was just basically gibberish. Later, I checked out one of these gold sites and saw what they were selling Kuta for...according to their gold-to-dollar exchange rate the Kuta was worth around 3500g, leaving them a healthy profit. (Randomly they were also selling Nickel and the other 9 basic style materials for what converted to over 1k gold each which made no sense to me since you can buy it in game for like 100g from an NPC)

The farmers are still there, but they're not botting at least which is a massive improvement. Probably all these people that you see in zone chat buying alchemy mats at a certain price, wanting to buy stacks of raw crafting mats for 1.5k, etc are the new gold farmers. They've adapted to what Zeni's been doing to stop them.

But the bots moving through the ground like sharks and popping their heads up to loot nodes was super annoying, glad that has been handled at least.

There is some debate as to whether the gold farmers left because ZOS chased them off or because they no longer found ESO profitable and just moved on to more fertile ground. Truth be told, it's probably some combination of the two.

Either way, I hope the game never goes F2P. Nothing attracts gold farmers like a F2P MMO.

sotonin wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why people farm materials when loot falls from the sky like mana. I decon EVERYTHING green and above quality and have never had a shortage of materials for making my own stuff.

Deconning green and above loot has a much higher rate of temper material gain than refining raw materials in my experiences, and it also has the added bonus of providing valuable xp while leveling the crafting skill in the first place.

Gathering materials does nothing.

The term "farming" does not just describe gathering,,,, Hunting enemies and killing them for their loot (to vendor or deconstruct) is also "farming".

And my point still stands. You get more than enough loot by simple normal adventuring. Farming is totally unnecessary.

sometimes people get super bored and tired of doing quest after quest and want to mix it up a bit by mindlessly slaying enemies. Nothing wrong with it, you don't have to do it but some folks are add

I'll do that if I'm close to leveling up and need to get to the next level to make some new armor or something. Though frankly, it's boring as hell and I much much prefer avoiding mobs than farming them (even if it costs me XP).

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Zen removed bots and gold sellers I am positive of this. Anyone that believes that all bots and gold sellers would suddenly pick up and leave is simply kidding themselves. It's a ridiculous notion.There's absolutely no way they would all just leave of their own accord and not ever be replaced by new ones. Make no mistake Zen got rid of them and are currently keeping them out.

The main argument here is that there profits were low or non-existent. There is simply no way to know this unless you are one of them. I highly doubt that they could offer so much and no players ever took advantage of it.

Give credit where its due. Thanks for winning the battle ZOS. A great many of us appreciate it and the game is better for it.

Go try to buy some gold off the internet. Bots are still alive and farming. Don't kid yourself. Guaranteed. They just aren't standing around in a bot train as they used to. They simply got smarter, as always. Name a game any game (MMO) there's bots. Easily proven by googling bots for that specific game. You are very naive if you really think they are gone or have never searched the internet before.

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Zen removed bots and gold sellers I am positive of this. Anyone that believes that all bots and gold sellers would suddenly pick up and leave is simply kidding themselves. It's a ridiculous notion.There's absolutely no way they would all just leave of their own accord and not ever be replaced by new ones. Make no mistake Zen got rid of them and are currently keeping them out.

The main argument here is that there profits were low or non-existent. There is simply no way to know this unless you are one of them. I highly doubt that they could offer so much and no players ever took advantage of it.

Give credit where its due. Thanks for winning the battle ZOS. A great many of us appreciate it and the game is better for it.

Go try to buy some gold off the internet. Bots are still alive and farming. Don't kid yourself. Guaranteed. They just aren't standing around in a bot train as they used to. They simply got smarter, as always. Name a game any game (MMO) there's bots. Easily proven by googling bots for that specific game. You are very naive if you really think they are gone or have never searched the internet before.

Not seeing bot trains not seeing spam. I consider it close enough

So true. When this game was first released, it was really bad. I understand that you will never be completely rid of bots but at least now they don't run the game the way they used to. +agree

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Zen removed bots and gold sellers I am positive of this. Anyone that believes that all bots and gold sellers would suddenly pick up and leave is simply kidding themselves. It's a ridiculous notion.There's absolutely no way they would all just leave of their own accord and not ever be replaced by new ones. Make no mistake Zen got rid of them and are currently keeping them out.

The main argument here is that there profits were low or non-existent. There is simply no way to know this unless you are one of them. I highly doubt that they could offer so much and no players ever took advantage of it.

Give credit where its due. Thanks for winning the battle ZOS. A great many of us appreciate it and the game is better for it.

Go try to buy some gold off the internet. Bots are still alive and farming. Don't kid yourself. Guaranteed. They just aren't standing around in a bot train as they used to. They simply got smarter, as always. Name a game any game (MMO) there's bots. Easily proven by googling bots for that specific game. You are very naive if you really think they are gone or have never searched the internet before.

Not seeing bot trains not seeing spam. I consider it close enough

So true. When this game was first released, it was really bad. I understand that you will never be completely rid of bots but at least now they don't run the game the way they used to. +agree

That's not what your last post said.... you are backtracking now. Yes it's much better but i think thats mostly due to them going to more profitable games. The economy in this one stinks.

You've completely missed the the entire point of my post.

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Zen removed bots and gold sellers I am positive of this. Anyone that believes that all bots and gold sellers would suddenly pick up and leave is simply kidding themselves. It's a ridiculous notion.There's absolutely no way they would all just leave of their own accord and not ever be replaced by new ones. Make no mistake Zen got rid of them and are currently keeping them out.

The main argument here is that there profits were low or non-existent. There is simply no way to know this unless you are one of them. I highly doubt that they could offer so much and no players ever took advantage of it.

Give credit where its due. Thanks for winning the battle ZOS. A great many of us appreciate it and the game is better for it.

Go try to buy some gold off the internet. Bots are still alive and farming. Don't kid yourself. Guaranteed. They just aren't standing around in a bot train as they used to. They simply got smarter, as always. Name a game any game (MMO) there's bots. Easily proven by googling bots for that specific game. You are very naive if you really think they are gone or have never searched the internet before.

Not seeing bot trains not seeing spam. I consider it close enough

So true. When this game was first released, it was really bad. I understand that you will never be completely rid of bots but at least now they don't run the game the way they used to. +agree

That's not what your last post said.... you are backtracking now. Yes it's much better but i think thats mostly due to them going to more profitable games. The economy in this one stinks.

You've completely missed the the entire point of my post.

I really don't care what your point was you stated something as fact and I was correcting you.

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

"Zen removed bots and gold sellers I am positive of this."

Then you proceeded to attempt to further support your made up fact with:

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

"Make no mistake Zen got rid of them and are currently keeping them out."

So stop trying to pretend like you weren't.

They are better in that they finally got rid of the very very ridiculously obvious bot trains that should have never been in the game in the first place. The fact that they failed miserably at keeping such obvious bots from the game in the first place should not be praised as an accomplishment. They finally did what is common sense.

/facepalm
Ok you're trying to fight with me over the fact that I wasn't specific enough in giving Zenimax praise for dealing with bots and gold sellers. Seriously dude get a grip.

I rarely see purple loot and I'm not sure I've ever gotten anything gold (outside of 2 Imperial motifs that I found), even at VR 7 now.

I've had pretty good luck deconstructing stacks of raw material. I always check the guild traders for cheap raw mats. Once I found 20 raw jute for 150-200 g (I forget exactly) and refined them and got one embroidery and one elegant lining. Much cheaper than buying those direct, but I was considerably lucky in that case. But I think that's a much better gamble than just buying those tempers directly.

In a stack of 100 raw cloth material, I usually get 3-4 hemming, 1-2 embroidery, 1-2 elegant lining, and 0-1 dreugh wax. With other trait stones mixed in. And you can usually find that stack of material for around 2k or a good hour's searching.

butterfly442 wrote: »

But you can actually outrun your ability to press print screen before the guy is gone.

Happened to me when I ambushed a guy who was jumping a wall. I fell for a bit and was back on ground. But was running about a billion miles an hour. Reset right away and it was gone. Many farmers were using it to level their characters fast.

Am i the only one here who cannot make any sense of what this guy is saying ??

It's like this guy cannot finish a single sentence and on top of that he translated his post from one language to another about 40 times before finally translating it to english, using a free translating software created by a first year programming student.

This post did not make more sense to me than saying something like :" OH !! Apple Gown Tornado !!!

Draxuul wrote: »

butterfly442 wrote: »

But you can actually outrun your ability to press print screen before the guy is gone.

Happened to me when I ambushed a guy who was jumping a wall. I fell for a bit and was back on ground. But was running about a billion miles an hour. Reset right away and it was gone. Many farmers were using it to level their characters fast.

Am i the only one here who cannot make any sense of what this guy is saying ??

It's like this guy cannot finish a single sentence and on top of that he translated his post from one language to another about 40 times before finally translating it to english, using a free translating software created by a first year programming student.

This post did not make more sense to me than saying something like :" OH !! Apple Gown Tornado !!!

In the first part I think he was trying to get a screenshot of a guy that was speedhacking but the guy got away before he had a chance to.

Then the second part he was explaining how he glitched himself gaining superspeed in the process