Block casting - yay or nay?

mousekime111rwb17_ESO
Do you think the ability to cast abilities while blocking is good or bad, should be kept, should be removed or what? Please give a short reason behind your answer.
Edited by mousekime111rwb17_ESO on September 3, 2014 7:42AM

Block casting - yay or nay? 227 votes

Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
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Block casting is stupid but the game is developing healthily around it.
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Block casting is fine.
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I'm not sure how I feel on the matter.
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Block casting should be removed but magicka based builds given other forms of survivability to compensate.
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Block casting is fine but another resource should be used for blocking instead of stamina so stamina builds can do it to!
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  • TehMagnus
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    Block casting is fine.
    Someone is mad they rushed alone in a zerg and got annihilated by blocking mages? 8)
  • Mo-ack
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    Block casting is fine.
    i have no problem withe it. Most time i forgott it to block while casting. Everyone can us this so is ok for me.
  • Phinix1
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    Block casting is fine but another resource should be used for blocking instead of stamina so stamina builds can do it to!
    Is there anything stamina builds can do better than magicka builds?

    ANYTHING?
  • mousekime111rwb17_ESO
    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    magnusnet wrote: »
    Someone is mad they rushed alone in a zerg and got annihilated by blocking mages? 8)

    Actually I was making a legitimate poll about a point of balance wherein you can obtain an absurd amount of tankiness whilst dishing out a huge amount of damage with magicka builds but not stamina. (I don't actually pvp that much and don't care about pvp balance at all)
    Mo-ack wrote: »
    i have no problem withe it. Most time i forgott it to block while casting. Everyone can us this so is ok for me.

    I really hate to say it but you're wrong to say this, stamina based damage builds can not do this as they'll end up silencing themselves due to stamina drain in just a couple of seconds. This is why I'm of the belief that for balance reasons something should be done in regards to block casting whether it be to make it a viable tactic for all or removed or something else.
  • TehMagnus
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    Block casting is fine.
    Is there anything stamina builds can do better than magicka builds?

    ANYTHING?

    Yes, cry. :trollface:
  • Phinix1
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    Block casting is fine but another resource should be used for blocking instead of stamina so stamina builds can do it to!
    magnusnet wrote: »
    Is there anything stamina builds can do better than magicka builds?

    ANYTHING?

    Yes, cry. :trollface:

    And something that rhymes. XD
  • TehMagnus
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    Block casting is fine.
    magnusnet wrote: »
    Someone is mad they rushed alone in a zerg and got annihilated by blocking mages? 8)

    Actually I was making a legitimate poll about a point of balance wherein you can obtain an absurd amount of tankiness whilst dishing out a huge amount of damage with magicka builds but not stamina. (I don't actually pvp that much and don't care about pvp balance at all)

    Not really. As a magicka user, I only have 1200 stamina. 4 or 5 hits and I'm out of stamina => no more blocking and then since I wear Light Armor I still take more damage from stamina attacks than a stamina user since I have less armor. The stam user can block longer and take on more damage.
    Edited by TehMagnus on September 3, 2014 9:00AM
  • mousekime111rwb17_ESO
    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    Is there anything stamina builds can do better than magicka builds?

    ANYTHING?

    Get the DR from block much much longer, basic attacks hurt more (like 50% more + the fact you're building weapon crit). That's about it really other than the epic scroll running.
  • mousekime111rwb17_ESO
    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    magnusnet wrote: »
    magnusnet wrote: »
    Someone is mad they rushed alone in a zerg and got annihilated by blocking mages? 8)

    Actually I was making a legitimate poll about a point of balance wherein you can obtain an absurd amount of tankiness whilst dishing out a huge amount of damage with magicka builds but not stamina. (I don't actually pvp that much and don't care about pvp balance at all)

    Not really. As a magicka user, I only have 1200 stamina. 4 or 5 hits and I'm out of stamina => no more blocking and then since I wear Light Armor I still take more damage from stamina attacks than a stamina user since I have less armor. The stam user can block longer and take on more damage.

    Even still, there's no consequence for you to run out of stamina from throwing up the additional 50% DR you get from blocking. Other than having to break cc (and many light armor users run a heavy chest and legs for the extra armor and access to immovable anyway.
  • Draxuul
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    I'm not sure how I feel on the matter.
    I often start blocking right in the middle of casting a spell which results in my spell being cast anyways while i`m in blocking position but i never ever tried to actually start casting a spell while holding down my right mouse button .

    I didn`t even know it was possible to do so and i never even thought about trying it because it`s simply stupid to think that a person could be able to cast a spell while he`s concentrating on blocking hits .

    That being said my vote was:`` i`m not sure how i feel on the matter`` simply because i`ve never tried it and i`m not sure if thats exactly what the OP meant by block casting.

    But if it really is possible to do it then it`s absolutly idiotic and should be removed for sure .

    For someone to change his mind while casting a spell and deciding to block an incoming attack is fine , even if it results in his spell being cast anyways . Especially if it was an instant cast spell.

    But for someone to actually hold the block button and spam spells , i could never agree with that . Now i`m not against it for the sake of balance because i can never see this game being perfectly balanced .

    I`m against it for the sake of realism and me being completly against nonsensical crap like that.

    I will always choose realism over balance in a game like this .

    Draxuul
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    The Prophet once said :``There is no perfect choice , there are only other choices. ``

    Same goes for your build. There is no perfect build, there are only other builds.

    My name is Draxuul and i approve this message .

  • Durban
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    Block casting is fine.
    Its pretty much required as a tank.
  • mousekime111rwb17_ESO
    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    Durban wrote: »
    Its pretty much required as a tank.
    Debatable, you really only need to block heavy attacks and a few other heavy hitting abilities in a dungeon as a tank depending on how you've built, what you have slotted, how good your healer is and how mechanically strong you are.
  • Stranglehands
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    Strikes me as a technical limitation of similar nature to weapon swapping having to happen server side
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  • Stranglehands
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    in the sense that if you couldn't do it you'd have to do something like drop your block for a split second to cast, which just wouldn't work well over a laggy connection, so you could make it client-side smoke and mirrors but that seems to be heading down a road leading to hacks and exploits
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  • Stranglehands
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    not that I know a damn thing about mmo netcode, this is just armchair speculation
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  • Sharee
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    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    If it is not possible to do a simple sword swing while blocking, neither should it be possible to cast a spell. IMHO.
  • AlexDougherty
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    Block casting should be removed but magicka based builds given other forms of survivability to compensate.
    Casting a spel; while you block is an oxymoron.

    If you block the spell should stop. If this becomes an issue, then the casting should pause when you block (ie the cast time continues from where you blocked and doesn't reset).

    I play a Sorc, but this is stupid.
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  • Xehmnus_Rayne
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    The whole "everyone can do it so it's fine" argument is starting to sound pretty damn old... Everyone can pick up a brick and throw it through your window. Is that okay too? lol
  • Tabbycat
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    Block casting is fine.
    After playing games without it, I can honestly say that this interactive combat is more fun.

    I wish people would stop trying to nerf the fun out of this game.
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  • Yusuf
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    IMO one should only be able to cast defensive spells while blocking.
    If someone wins by spamming funnelhealth while hiding behind his right mousebutton, there's nothing to be proud of, neither is it skillfull gameplayif you hold block and spam impulse. I admit i use this in pve when i'm gathering flowers in craglorn but in cyrodiil i already L'd2Play without acting cheap ;)
  • Mo-ack
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    Block casting is fine.

    Mo-ack wrote: »
    i have no problem withe it. Most time i forgott it to block while casting. Everyone can us this so is ok for me.

    I really hate to say it but you're wrong to say this, stamina based damage builds can not do this as they'll end up silencing themselves due to stamina drain in just a couple of seconds. This is why I'm of the belief that for balance reasons something should be done in regards to block casting whether it be to make it a viable tactic for all or removed or something else. [/quote]

    i play an tank i got the bord and 1h moste time is the shield up to survive in battle and in pve i have also to spot and doe dmg behind shild if i drope my shield iam deat realy fast and i got no prob withe the stami use the synergy who gave u from templer so iam never run out of stami same i play in pvp. Stami use for carge player and bord an 1h based stuff and the heavy armor skill so i must user bothe of the bars stami for survife and magica for dmg.
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    magnusnet wrote: »
    Not really. As a magicka user, I only have 1200 stamina. 4 or 5 hits and I'm out of stamina => no more blocking and then since I wear Light Armor I still take more damage from stamina attacks than a stamina user since I have less armor. The stam user can block longer and take on more damage.

    Even still, there's no consequence for you to run out of stamina from throwing up the additional 50% DR you get from blocking. Other than having to break cc (and many light armor users run a heavy chest and legs for the extra armor and access to immovable anyway.

    50% DR? Blocking with a stick? Maybe I missed something.

    You are correct though, there is no consequence at all...until you get hit.

    In regard to the other varieties, a spell is either a duration spell (which prevents you from blocking for the cast duration, or it's an instant, in which case the brief hand animation occurs and blocking resumes, almost instantaneously?



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  • Armitas
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    I'm not sure how I feel on the matter.
    I am not sure whether the problem is the fact that block casting exists or the fact that stamina builds cannot blockcast at the same level as magicka builds.

    It seems to be a chicken or the egg situation. I would prefer to go with the initial cause but they seem to be simultaneous. Fixing blockcasting would be easier because fixing stamina builds in the typical manner would result in them either having excessive resources in the lack of blocking or equal resources in the case of blocking. This is a tough one. My answer is "Yes, something", I agree with the notion there is something wrong here.
    Edited by Armitas on September 3, 2014 4:32PM
    Retired.
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  • c0rp
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    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    Ive been pushing for this for I dont know how long now.
    Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
    Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
    Disable abilities while holding block.
    Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
    Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
    Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
    Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
    Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.
  • aclarkob14_ESO
    Block casting is fine but another resource should be used for blocking instead of stamina so stamina builds can do it to!
    Just make blocking only a 180 degree frontal arc. Problem solved.
  • Drazhar14
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    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    Simple solution: Holding block makes skills turn gray and become unusable until block is released.

    This way, people actually have to think about when to block, and will be vulnerable when attacking, which kinda makes sense.
  • kieso
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    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake and everyone for block casting doesn't care about balance and is equally as stupid.
    Edited by kieso on September 3, 2014 4:35PM
  • danno8
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    Block casting is stupid and should be removed for balance sake.
    Let's see. Block casting...

    -Makes any spell or skill with a channel or cast time less desirable than instant cast for no good trade off,

    -makes basic attacks a terrible option at all times,

    -is a part of the stamina/magicka imbalance problem,

    -makes no sense, and is unintuitive, so much so that many people have no idea this is allowed and are surprised when they find out,

    -leads to an overly simplistic mechanic, ie : hold block at all times unless you need to move.

    It should be no problem server side to have "timed blocks". Other games do it, this game also has dodges which have to be "timed" so I don't buy that reasoning.

  • Shaun98ca2
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    Best answer EVER........

    Make HOLDING block COST STAMINA.

    Blocking an attack would cost EXTRA Stamina.

    Blocking mages......WONT block until necessary.
  • ThisOnePosts
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    It honestly doesn't matter to me. I don't care if others can do the same thing I can do in such regards to block casting. I don't need it but I also don't care if it stays or is removed as long as it's the same for all weapons and classes.

    However, if it will take ZOS a lot of effort to change which is very likely, I'd rather them focus that attention elsewhere.
    Edited by ThisOnePosts on September 3, 2014 5:06PM
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