I despise healers.

Elyna · August 2014

mips_winnt wrote: »

Elyna wrote: »

Than please explain to me what I was supposed to do when they instantly CC break my stun and heal themselves to full with a 75% hp shield?

In the words of the late Freddy Mercury ...
" Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking
Can't we give ourselves one more chance?"

In other words GET THE F' OVER IT and try to have some fun, bitchin' about it doesn't do you or anybody else any good.. so you got stomped by a healer In PvP.. it happens.

It's a GAME after all, quit crying.

Firstly, calm down. Take a seat and breath slowly. Remember your heart condition?
Secondly, how can I have fun in PvP when literally everyone is running the same set up?

mips_winnt · August 2014

The_Sadist wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

This is a first.

Thanks OP, you made my day.

{{{ The_Sadist }}}

"So if you're tired of the Same old story
Turn some pages, I'll be here when you are ready, To roll with the changes " -- REO Speedwagon

MMO Players will never cease to amaze.

aronothub17_ESO · August 2014

Ill agree on the dont heal Elyna part, but make sure to resurrect her so you can watch her die again.

Ill agree some of the mechanics are flawed, but hating on an entire group of people that have been essentially the most important group in every mmo since the dawn of mmo is not exactly wise.

let me guess you shoot the messenger too for delivering you the message. i mean seriously. why not hate on the fact that the game is AOE based and theres only a handful of single target spells, but then at the same time whine because you need stronger CC spells to combat the need to run single target, and then whine because the CC is so out of control in PVP that the whole of PVP turns into who gets off the CC first. Anyone remember DAOC theres the blessing of PVP and broken CC.

Its a game have fun, you dont want to play with healers DONT and enjoy dying, you dont want to spec as a healer GET RID OF THE DANG RESTO STAFF, you want a challenge then make your class your own stop looking up what the "spec of the month" is and play the game YOUR WAY.

Elyna · August 2014

aronothub17_ESO wrote: »

Ill agree on the dont heal Elyna part, but make sure to resurrect her so you can watch her die again.

Ill agree some of the mechanics are flawed, but hating on an entire group of people that have been essentially the most important group in every mmo since the dawn of mmo is not exactly wise.

let me guess you shoot the messenger too for delivering you the message. i mean seriously. why not hate on the fact that the game is AOE based and theres only a handful of single target spells, but then at the same time whine because you need stronger CC spells to combat the need to run single target, and then whine because the CC is so out of control in PVP that the whole of PVP turns into who gets off the CC first. Anyone remember DAOC theres the blessing of PVP and broken CC.

Its a game have fun, you dont want to play with healers DONT and enjoy dying, you dont want to spec as a healer GET RID OF THE DANG RESTO STAFF, you want a challenge then make your class your own stop looking up what the "spec of the month" is and play the game YOUR WAY.

But the only way to be viable in PvP is to run a heal and destro staff. Its a meta. A pretty bad one at that.

phaneub17_ESO · August 2014

I don't think it's really healers you despise, but the spell system mechanics when the game has almost no cast time spells except a select few and there almost no cooldowns except animation lock ups that prevent you from using certain combinations. You can spam away constantly in this with little in the way of making a choice of using a burst heal or using heal over time.

Soulshine · August 2014

Ok.... how bout this OP: go experiment - get a group together for CoH, or better yet for AA with no healers. When done, post the video. Let's see if you are correct.

EDIT: no cheating either - you dont get to use NB heals, or DK heals or any other healing nonesense you find so offensive. Pots are all you get.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · August 2014

Elyna wrote: »

...can i have your stuff, ect.

I care not one whit for the topic at hand, but allow me to correct the record.

When tempted to ask another character for his or her possessions, please use the following:

"May I have your things?"

There now. Maybe the rest of the world won't look at you askance...

Circuitous · August 2014

I'm amazed at how many people completely miss the point of the thread and try to act tough or make utterly stupid suggestions like "try playing the game without healers." That sentiment is actually the entire point of the OP. You can't play the game without healers: healers are too strong, and mechanics/encounters are designed around them being so strong.

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

If you wanna disagree with the point, that's fine, but make sure you're disagreeing with the right point before you post something unintentionally idiotic.

aronothub17_ESO · August 2014

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't think it's really healers you despise, but the spell system mechanics when the game has almost no cast time spells except a select few and there almost no cooldowns except animation lock ups that prevent you from using certain combinations. You can spam away constantly in this with little in the way of making a choice of using a burst heal or using heal over time.

I agree i would like to see more casting and less insta, dont get me wrong i hate cast timers at times but the insta system just feels too eh, i mean all over you have npcs talking about hold them off while i cast this spell, well hell if theyd let me "cast" it would be instant. Even skyrim had casted abilities, but here everything is instant. I would love to see far more casted abilities with drastically reduced magicka cost and less of the over priced instant. would make combat feel better to me. my newest toon is a sorc and i think the only spells that i "cast" are pet spells i mean i understand their decision to get rid of cool downs but cast times should have stayed.

Karnus · August 2014

OMG this reminds me of something totally unrelated!
Cars are pretty neat imho ...but I despise the wheels!! Stupid wheels just make driving too easy, like, any dummy can just drive with wheels.

mips_winnt · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

Probably for the same reason you can't , *SURPRISE* DEDICATED HEALERS CAN APPARENTLY HEAL....would you and the OP perhaps like a diagram, a compass and some org charts to help you figure it out?

Circuitous · August 2014

mips_winnt wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

Probably for the same reason you can't , *SURPRISE* DEDICATED HEALERS CAN APPARENTLY HEAL....would you and the OP perhaps like a diagram, a compass and some org charts to help you figure it out?

Yes, I know healers can heal. That's their function. They are a staple of the genre and exist for a variety of reasons. They are part of the trinity of roles around which all encounters are intended to be designed.

Because all encounters are intended to be designed around healers, and because ESO's heals work the way they do, the encounters occasionally turn out to be boring damage races where your team stacks together, throws out as much damage as they can, and is healed as much as possible to overcome what the enemy is throwing out at the same time.

That specific element is the OP's concern, not that healer's exist or do their job.

mips_winnt · August 2014

"Circuitous wrote: »

That specific element is the OP's concern, not that healer's exist or do their job.

LOL..

I have a solution to your and the OP's "problem" ... next time you get bored in an "encounter" that you don't like, do your healers a favor and stand in the fire.

Trust me they won't mind, after all nothing is gained without a little sacrifice.

*** meanwhile back in reality ***

Healers and healing in general is just fine, in fact it could use a few UI tools to make it easier to keep track of mass groups.

Have a nice day!

Soulshine · August 2014

If people are going to gripe they should put their money where their mouth is. I once organized a 12 person raid in another game I played where the whole raid was cromprised of CC class. We agreed no heals since part of our arsenal did include that. Well, we did it despite that ppl said it would be an epic fail. If you are that bent on not having heals be part of the equation because it's too boring, then bring your own spice to the table. Griping that basically the entire game is already flawed because of a "trinity" focus in instances is just a waste of time. Deal.

AoEnwyr · August 2014

Elyna wrote: »

Not my fault theyre a fundamentally flawed class that ruin everything they touch.

Did you get killed by a healer and are now all cut up about it? If a game were just about dps it would be boring as hell. I've played several MMO's as both dps and healer and if anyone does the spamming it's dps. Healing takes a good sense of timing, constant vigilance over the wellbeing of your party and a fairly thick skin for when some squishy mage gets himself killed because he doesn't understand the basic principle of "Don't stand inside the freaking huge red circle of death!" and gets all angsty at the healer.

Circuitous · August 2014

mips_winnt wrote: »

"Circuitous wrote: »

That specific element is the OP's concern, not that healer's exist or do their job.

LOL..

I have a solution to your and the OP's "problem" ... next time you get bored in an "encounter" that you don't like, do your healers a favor and stand in the fire.

Trust me they won't mind, after all nothing is gained without a little sacrifice.

*** meanwhile back in reality ***

Healers and healing in general is just fine, in fact it could use a few UI tools to make it easier to keep track of mass groups.

Have a nice day!

You're still missing the point. I play a healer. Stand in the fire all you like, I can heal over it.

Also, the scenario I discussed in the very post you quoted said explicitly that the entire group can stand in the fire and just outdamage the boss...

This is a huge waste of time, isn't it? You're not going to read this.

It's a shame, all I want to do is make the discussion remotely meaningful by getting people to understand what it is the OP actually wants to discuss, and this is the thanks I get. Telling a healer to stand in a fire. Makes a lot of sense.

mips_winnt · August 2014

UlanX wrote: »

Did you get killed by a healer and are now all cut up about it? .

*BINGO*

Valar Morghulis Mofuka

Circuitous · August 2014

mips_winnt wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

Telling a healer to stand in a fire. Makes a lot of sense.

Yeah okay, go ahead and stand in acid, or nuclear waste or oncoming traffic or just keep bitching about the role you chose to play in an MMO... let me know how it all works out, take your time, I'll wait.

In the meantime I'll keep giving props to all the good healers out there.

I love playing healers. My main's a healer. I'm clarifying the OP's point to generate actual worthwhile discussion. Please try to understand what I'm actually saying, and what the OP is actually saying, instead of reading a few lines and coming to a conclusion that has no bearing on the matter at all.

Xsorus · August 2014

Healers seem powerful right now because the method used to control them isn't currently working.

In games were you have instant cast heals like this game, esp ones with no cooldowns, The method usually to combat them is healing debuffs.

Right now Disease Weapon Enchants aren't proccing their healing debuff status effect.

once that is fixed, you'll see how quickly healers will drop.

Crumpy · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

I'm amazed at how many people completely miss the point of the thread and try to act tough or make utterly stupid suggestions like "try playing the game without healers." That sentiment is actually the entire point of the OP. You can't play the game without healers: healers are too strong, and mechanics/encounters are designed around them being so strong.

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

If you wanna disagree with the point, that's fine, but make sure you're disagreeing with the right point before you post something unintentionally idiotic.

Yeah? Well go try playing without a healer in your group.

seneferab16_ESO · August 2014

As long as the healer isn't turning around and melting your face off without using any Ultimate, I don't see a problem with them.

My question is if it is the healers you don't like or the self healing abilties? I can agree that I think the self healing as a dps is a bit over the top in certain situations.

As for playing a game with no healers, have you tried GW2? It does have healing, but not like traditional MMOs. Maybe you'll like it? Maybe it will make you change your mind? I though the no dedicated healers part made borth PvE and PvP incredibly flat and uninteresting. Mechanics were all about self healing, avoidance and dps. Looks good on paper, but not in practice.
It was a long time since I played, maybe it changed now.

Circuitous · August 2014

Crumpy wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

I'm amazed at how many people completely miss the point of the thread and try to act tough or make utterly stupid suggestions like "try playing the game without healers." That sentiment is actually the entire point of the OP. You can't play the game without healers: healers are too strong, and mechanics/encounters are designed around them being so strong.

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

If you wanna disagree with the point, that's fine, but make sure you're disagreeing with the right point before you post something unintentionally idiotic.

Yeah? Well go try playing without a healer in your group.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE POOOOIIIIIIINT. YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE THE GAME IS DESIGNED AROUND HAVING A HEALER AROUND AT ALL TIMES.

Also, I *am* the healer. Seriously, read the posts!

Crumpy · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

I'm amazed at how many people completely miss the point of the thread and try to act tough or make utterly stupid suggestions like "try playing the game without healers." That sentiment is actually the entire point of the OP. You can't play the game without healers: healers are too strong, and mechanics/encounters are designed around them being so strong.

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

If you wanna disagree with the point, that's fine, but make sure you're disagreeing with the right point before you post something unintentionally idiotic.

Yeah? Well go try playing without a healer in your group.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE POOOOIIIIIIINT. YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE THE GAME IS DESIGNED AROUND HAVING A HEALER AROUND AT ALL TIMES.

Also, I *am* the healer. Seriously, read the posts!

LOL! Just messin' with ya. Relax dude, it'll be OK

ThisOnePosts · August 2014

It's more catty than a Khajiit festival up in this thread.

Circuitous · August 2014

Crumpy wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

I'm amazed at how many people completely miss the point of the thread and try to act tough or make utterly stupid suggestions like "try playing the game without healers." That sentiment is actually the entire point of the OP. You can't play the game without healers: healers are too strong, and mechanics/encounters are designed around them being so strong.

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

If you wanna disagree with the point, that's fine, but make sure you're disagreeing with the right point before you post something unintentionally idiotic.

Yeah? Well go try playing without a healer in your group.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE POOOOIIIIIIINT. YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE THE GAME IS DESIGNED AROUND HAVING A HEALER AROUND AT ALL TIMES.

Also, I *am* the healer. Seriously, read the posts!

LOL! Just messin' with ya. Relax dude, it'll be OK

With the responses I've gotten so far you can't blame me for thinking you were just another idiot on the pile. /sigh

Stranglehands · August 2014

OP have you checked out the skills that say "reduces healing taken" in the description?

Elyna · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

I'm amazed at how many people completely miss the point of the thread and try to act tough or make utterly stupid suggestions like "try playing the game without healers." That sentiment is actually the entire point of the OP. You can't play the game without healers: healers are too strong, and mechanics/encounters are designed around them being so strong.

You can all clearly write, why can none of you read?

If you wanna disagree with the point, that's fine, but make sure you're disagreeing with the right point before you post something unintentionally idiotic.

This guy gets it.

Stratti · August 2014

Elyna wrote: »

I dont understand why healer classes are such a staple in games. They ruin PvP, and encourage developers to make lame boss mechanics.

PvP
I have yet to see a 1v1 fight that didnt revolve around "who can spam the most heals." Healing in PvP is less about who can outwit or outplay the other, but who has the biggest mana pool for healing and shields. Massive sheilds and heals effectively remove any sort of meaningful fights. Numerous times would I see people get the jump on someone, only to have the victim heal himself to full with a massive sheild and begin spamming AOE attacks winning the entire fight because he had more mana to spam heals. Is this what we call good design? Healers also discourage going in and going crazy. All fights are just 2 zergs pecking at each other until the other side rolls over because they ran out of mana for heals. I dont see people going in deep. This is because if they ever did go in, the entire damage would just get healed up in seconds and their death will be a waste.

Bosses and dungeons.
I played my first Trial. The trial of the Mage, to be exact. It was fun, until we got to the first major boss. The whole fight was just use spamming left click and healing. This was a MASSIVE let down and incredibly boring. Why is this even in the game? Healers. It would seem that the developers wanted to make the boss incredibly lame by giving him aoe as an attempt to make healers more valuable or something. This in my opinion, is bad game design. You shouldnt make a boss damage you for the sake of damaging you for artificial difficulty, it should damage you through mechanics you were couldnt dodge or block in time.

IB4: Learn to play, can i have your stuff, ect.

Trials there is more to do with with the mechanics being undermined and able to be healed through. I don't believe ZOS wanted us to ignore the mechanics . 3 of the 4 fights are able to be overpowered

The PvP issue is not an issue per se but part of group PvP . There is no way to avoid this that I can think of

AoEnwyr · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

THAT'S EXACTLY THE POOOOIIIIIIINT. YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE THE GAME IS DESIGNED AROUND HAVING A HEALER AROUND AT ALL TIMES.

Also, I *am* the healer. Seriously, read the posts!

The poooooooiiint is stupid though. It should be that a party requires a mixture of classes. What do you want to do? Just steam roll through with dps, no effort, no skill, no planning?

That just sounds lazy or childish. If you want easy mode buy a Wii.

Kos · August 2014

I actually agree with OP's point. Healing feels unnatural, can you imagine real fight and someone trying to use bandages and other crap? Applying buffs, e.g. eating, popping pills or drinking energy drinks before fight etc seems reasonable, but healing? I know it's a fantasy game, but I don't think healing is making it more fun.