Could a possible failure from ESO hurt future TES games by Bethesda?

Publius_Scipio · August 2014

I doubt it. Single player ES games sell well and win tons of awards. It would take a single player ES game to flop for there to be any affect on those games.

If ESO fails (is it a failure?) that means there most likely won't be another ES MMO.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Who keeps starting these threads? It has been said so many times that they are completely separate companies. The success of Skyrim has basically guaranteed that they will continue to make single player TES games. I really wish the devs would just delete these threads.

RazielSR · August 2014

Elad13 wrote: »

your only as good as your last game....i strongly feel TESO and Zenimax hurt the franchise name...this is not the game of the year reviews like skyrim and oblivion and morrowind. while it does have some great points it also has some very negative parts. TESO is not the benchmark for future games like oblivion was. And more and more developers will offer highly competitive titles coming up in the future. Many will feed off the negative features of TESO and actually make them better....which in time will hurt Elder scrolls a little. Basically the room is there for a new title to really shine through...but i am not sure which title that would be. I do believe TESO hurt future titles and i know 100% i will never buy a zenimax title again. IF elder scrolls stays with Zenimax it will be a terrible future for the series. However if they see the poor decisions of Zenimax and give the title to another company I think we all will be more than happy to buy the next title.

Solo games become successful for reasons and sometimes adding in MMO features hurt the series.

I DO think ESO hurts a lot TES franchise. And this was not necessary. Is just because of the money. I created this topic that maybe you and others find interesting: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113287/do-you-really-think-bethesda-agree-with-teso/p1

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

A lot of badmouthing and bashing for this game in every corner from the whole internet.I was thinking if it is possible that this bad press ESO is having could create a bad feeling against TES universe in the future.

So, what do you think? Could a failure from an spin off like ESO start a future disaster for real TES games by Bethesda?

@RazielSR Nice name, btw. (Can I assume you are a Soul Reaver?)

Anyway, two different worlds only related by consultation for lore and ownership of Mother company (intentional, by the way) with two different dedicated player bases, some of which enjoy each.

However, I don't understand this concept? Does someone think a Dev is going to accidentally lean on the Big Red Button while flirting with an intern and accidentally delete the entirety of ESO?

If they stopped right now they would continue to make money and have followers for years.

I'd say this 800 pound gorilla could not mess this up if they tried.

hehe yes!
My nickmane is because of LOK series (Legacy Of Kain). One of my favourites series and Raziel being the most interesting pre-created character for me ever. This comes from a long time ago...now im 31

Regarding your opinion...you know...these kind of things (to mix a mmo with a really great and interesting universe like TES...could be very bad for the universe itself)...there are some examples out there.

Pallmor · August 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Who keeps starting these threads? It has been said so many times that they are completely separate companies. The success of Skyrim has basically guaranteed that they will continue to make single player TES games. I really wish the devs would just delete these threads.

No, Microsoft and Sony are two completely separate companies. ZOS and Bethesda are two different divisions of the same company.

Makkir · August 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

A lot of badmouthing and bashing for this game in every corner from the whole internet.I was thinking if it is possible that this bad press ESO is having could create a bad feeling against TES universe in the future.

So, what do you think? Could a failure from an spin off like ESO start a future disaster for real TES games by Bethesda?

Do you realize the irony in your post? I will help you out, stop contributing to the problem.

RazielSR · August 2014

Makkir wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

A lot of badmouthing and bashing for this game in every corner from the whole internet.I was thinking if it is possible that this bad press ESO is having could create a bad feeling against TES universe in the future.

So, what do you think? Could a failure from an spin off like ESO start a future disaster for real TES games by Bethesda?

Do you realize the irony in your post? I will help you out, stop contributing to the problem.

So you mean theres a problem then?

aipex8_ESO · August 2014

brandon wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

Moonglum83 wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

If eso fails (doubt it) it will not hurt the tes franchise. Zenimax and Bethesda are 2 different companies, Bethesda has produced a lot of quality games and I really don't think one game by a different company is going to do anything.

But its all owned by the same one company, so if one branch lose a lot of monety, all the branches will be affected maybe?

Pretty sure that is not how business works, especially brands under an umbrella organisation.

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

if there are still comming single player TES games
how many warcraft games have you seen after wow ... exactly

This is not WoW or Blizzard. I'm not trying to invalidate your argument, but this old comparison is becoming so overused it is on the verge of becoming a cliché.

What is you argument, anyway?

my argument? that I fear we'll not see another single player TES soon

Bethesda will not just stop making tes games. I can almost guarantee you that they are working on it. I predict that it will be announced it 2015 or 2016. Bethesda has pretty much done tes games every 4 years and it's already almost time for the next one.

PS I can't believe how long its been since Skyrim.

Skyrim was huge! Hell, it's still huge. Still a top seller and one of the top 10 played games every day on Steam. If you think Bethesda is going to give up the TES series because of mediocre performance by ESO you're crazy! Rumor is that they will be doing a Fall Out game next though.

Pseudonym · August 2014

No.

Even if ESO were a failure, which it isn't, it still wouldn't affect future sales. People are fickle, and one bad title doesn't turn people away from an otherwise successful franchise.

I didn't like Mass Effect 3, but I'd buy number 4. I didn't like a whole list of previous Tomb Raider games, but I bought the latest one.

On another note; a friend of mine hated Oblivion, but loved Morrowind. He was first in line for Skyrim.

Venereous44 · August 2014

I hope you guys are wrong about the next Fallout hitting shelves before the next TES game. I like them, but not nearly as much as the TES series.

When you want to escape into a fantasy world, the bleak wasteland doesn't cut it as much as a gorgeous world does.

RazielSR · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

I hope you guys are wrong about the next Fallout hitting shelves before the next TES game. I like them, but not nearly as much as the TES series.

When you want to escape into a fantasy world, the bleak wasteland doesn't cut it as much as a gorgeous world does.

Sadly for you (and for me, and many more) Fallout 4 will be the next. It is supposed to happen fall 2015 and they will show it on E3 2015. I like a lot Fallout games and have hundred of hours spent in them, but I really would like a new TES instead.
2016. I guess the next TES will be here in 2016-2017.

Pallmor · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

I hope you guys are wrong about the next Fallout hitting shelves before the next TES game. I like them, but not nearly as much as the TES series.

When you want to escape into a fantasy world, the bleak wasteland doesn't cut it as much as a gorgeous world does.

Yeah, but you got to love that Vault-Tec Assisted Targeting System. Way cooler than anything in Skyrim.

PBpsy · August 2014

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

if there are still comming single player TES games
how many warcraft games have you seen after wow ... exactly

It is a very different situation. When Blizzard released WoW it was very clear that there will be no more Warcraft RTS game. They decided that they want a single RTS franchise and Starcraft was it. In this situation ZoS and Bethesda were very careful not to eliminate the possibility of future TES or even influence the lore to much. Blizzard made no such attempt and even WC3 seemed to be made more like a intro to WoW then a proper WC game.

In the case of TOR/KOTOR it was also pretty clear. Mass Effect was to be Bioware's single player action rpg in space franchise and they didn't need another one.Their approach as also the same as Blizzard no real room for turning back.

Elsonso · August 2014

Pallmor wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Who keeps starting these threads? It has been said so many times that they are completely separate companies.

No, Microsoft and Sony are two completely separate companies. ZOS and Bethesda are two different divisions of the same company.

Actually, Zenimax Online Studios, LLC, and Bethesda Softworks, LLC, are two subsidiary companies owned by the same parent. They are not divisions of Zenimax Media. Bethesda Game Studios is part of Bethesda Softworks, LLC.

Venereous44 wrote: »

I hope you guys are wrong about the next Fallout hitting shelves before the next TES game. I like them, but not nearly as much as the TES series.

Nothing has been announced, but I expect FO 4 to be announced in the next few days if the scuttlebutt is right.

That likely puts TES 6 around 2019.

Venereous44 · August 2014

Well then, hopefully ESO will be around to fit the bill until then.

raglau · August 2014

Pallmor wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Who keeps starting these threads? It has been said so many times that they are completely separate companies. The success of Skyrim has basically guaranteed that they will continue to make single player TES games. I really wish the devs would just delete these threads.

No, Microsoft and Sony are two completely separate companies. ZOS and Bethesda are two different divisions of the same company.

No, they are separate companies, and structured that way for many different - but sound - reasons.

I own several companies, one sells standard IT infrastructure architecture services, another sells solution architecture services, one sells cloud solution services and therefore is a direct competitor of the other two companies. The reason I have done this is to ensure that I mop up all available markets, including emerging (cloud) ones. At some point it's obvious the cloud solution company will actually out-compete the other companies, judging by Q1 figures of this year.

Why then did I set the cloud practise up as a different company and not a different business division within my established companies? Apart from any taxation reasons it's really to limit the liabilities in the event it failed, so if it went down with a load of angry creditors it would not infect my long-term and buoyant companies. And vice-versa of course.

It's a risk mitigation strategy to have separate companies instead of divisions. AND, by forming companies specialising in different - maybe even competing areas - I am playing Darwin and letting the market play selector. If one company is selected for extinction (the infrastructure practise because no one deploys real servers and infra anymore) so be it, there is another waiting in the wings to take pole position. It is a better strategy than putting all my eggs in one basket and having that failing.

If TES is selected by the gamer market for extinction and ESO for evolution, then the money still ends up rolling back to Mr Zenimax.

tordr86b16_ESO · August 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

A lot of badmouthing and bashing for this game in every corner from the whole internet.I was thinking if it is possible that this bad press ESO is having could create a bad feeling against TES universe in the future.

So, what do you think? Could a failure from an spin off like ESO start a future disaster for real TES games by Bethesda?

There is always going to be a mouth breather mouthing off on the new TES game but I hardly think a few internet trolls is going to cause major problems. The new TES game will stand on it's own if it's a good game.

Hadria · August 2014

This whole thread is hilarious no one knows *** about *** keep speculating

SirAndy · August 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

Could a failure from an spin off like ESO start a future disaster for real TES games by Bethesda?

I actually think it would probably have the exact opposite effect. Many hardcore TES fans don't like ESO in the first place, so a ESO failure would reinforce that view with many potential buyers of TES 6 ...

Venereous44 · August 2014

Pallmor wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I hope you guys are wrong about the next Fallout hitting shelves before the next TES game. I like them, but not nearly as much as the TES series.

When you want to escape into a fantasy world, the bleak wasteland doesn't cut it as much as a gorgeous world does.

Yeah, but you got to love that Vault-Tec Assisted Targeting System. Way cooler than anything in Skyrim.

True.. although it kinda made things too easy IMO. If they put something like that in TES i think it would ruin the game. Especially for bow users.

Ser Lobo · August 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

Are you aware of SKYRIM numbers?

Do you live on planet earth?

Putting it simply: Skyrim was a hit, and was a worse game fundamentally than it's predecessors. But those numbers you see are all related to ONE game purchase. And considering Skyrim sometimes sells for as low as 14.99 on Steam, those numbers aren't too fair a stretch either.

ESO, for better or worse, is not only a game purchase, but a constant stream of revenue. Dismiss that as you will, but I have a feeling we would ALL be surprised to learn just how much money Skyrim has made, since launch, versus just how much money ESO has made since launch (not counting ESO's sales on yet-launched console versions, which you *could* count for Skyrim).

I think the issue lies in most people not being familiar with how subscription MMO's work. TES VI will launch and be fun. But when it comes out with no co-op, only one zone (who'd think they would make it a crappy place like Blackmarsh, eh?), and only roughly 300h of content (if they don't follow their current trend and make TESVI shorter than it's predecessors, which they continue to do)?

At which point, ESO will have at least four new zones (two per year, if we go by current low expectations), all with no expansion cost, and how many hours of content for new players?

These of course are hypotheticals. TESVI could be smart and launch a full co-op model with more content than Morrowind, regular expansions for three years straight, fast and timely bug fixes and updates, and an amazing graphical improvement. But if you've been around Bethesda for any length of time ... well, you know not to get your hopes up.

TequilaFire · August 2014

I fell asleep reading this thread and had a daymare about a Fallout MMO created by Zenimax. lol

Resueht · August 2014

TequilaFire wrote: »

I fell asleep reading this thread and had a daymare about a Fallout MMO created by Zenimax. lol

A Fallout MMO was in the works for awhile, but not by ZOS. I think it was Interplay, if I'm not mistaken. I had signed up for email updates but haven't received one in over 2 years...

Now what I'm curious and cynical about is a Witcher MMO, which is taking beta signups now. This seems like a logical step since Witcher 3 is definitively the last of Geralt so storywise they can do whatever they want. Just not sure if it will have the same pull as TES. Still love both series though.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

The dude who keeps bragging about all the companies he owns in this thread needs to stfu and send me $10k. Then maybe I'll believe him and not be angry about his success.

Elsonso · August 2014

Resueht wrote: »

A Fallout MMO was in the works for awhile, but not by ZOS. I think it was Interplay, if I'm not mistaken. I had signed up for email updates but haven't received one in over 2 years...

I doubt you will ever get that email since Zenimax Media (Bethesda Softworks) owns any online version of Fallout.

Pallmor wrote: »

Yeah, but you got to love that Vault-Tec Assisted Targeting System. Way cooler than anything in Skyrim.

Please. No. VATS, or anything like it, has no place in any Elder Scrolls title. One could argue that it has no place in any Fallout title, too.

I have been thinking about things in ESO that could be rolled into a TES 6 title. I hated the skills in Skyrim (Perks) and while ESO has pretty much the same idea, they managed to do it without the crazy constellation GUI.

I always thought it was silly that spells had to be slotted in order to be cast, like a weapon. The idea of having the main and alternate hand weapons handled through the mouse buttons while casting spells from a small bar, like in ESO, is actually a better way to do it than slotting a spell in each hand.

ers101284b14_ESO · August 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

Resueht wrote: »

A Fallout MMO was in the works for awhile, but not by ZOS. I think it was Interplay, if I'm not mistaken. I had signed up for email updates but haven't received one in over 2 years...

I doubt you will ever get that email since Zenimax Media (Bethesda Softworks) owns any online version of Fallout.

Interplay gave Bethesda the rights to do fallout but in the agreement Interplay was not allowed to do any more Fallout games. They then started working on the MMO and Bethesda had to take them to court. But soon after Interplay started re releasing the original Fallout games since they where the original games and not new ones.

Resueht · August 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Resueht wrote: »

A Fallout MMO was in the works for awhile, but not by ZOS. I think it was Interplay, if I'm not mistaken. I had signed up for email updates but haven't received one in over 2 years...

I doubt you will ever get that email since Zenimax Media (Bethesda Softworks) owns any online version of Fallout.

Interplay gave Bethesda the rights to do fallout but in the agreement Interplay was not allowed to do any more Fallout games. They then started working on the MMO and Bethesda had to take them to court. But soon after Interplay started re releasing the original Fallout games since they where the original games and not new ones.

I wasn't aware of the exact terms in the deal between Interplay and Beth. Shame cause Interplay could have done a heckuva good job on it.

ers101284b14_ESO · August 2014

Resueht wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Resueht wrote: »

A Fallout MMO was in the works for awhile, but not by ZOS. I think it was Interplay, if I'm not mistaken. I had signed up for email updates but haven't received one in over 2 years...

I doubt you will ever get that email since Zenimax Media (Bethesda Softworks) owns any online version of Fallout.

Interplay gave Bethesda the rights to do fallout but in the agreement Interplay was not allowed to do any more Fallout games. They then started working on the MMO and Bethesda had to take them to court. But soon after Interplay started re releasing the original Fallout games since they where the original games and not new ones.

I wasn't aware of the exact terms in the deal between Interplay and Beth. Shame cause Interplay could have done a heckuva good job on it.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bethesda_Softworks_LLC_v._Interplay_Entertainment_Corporation

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/09/bethesda-settles-all-fallout-ip-related-lawsuits/

http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/09/interplay-loses-fallout-mmo/

Yeah......But Bethesda is doing an MMO called Battlecry

Probitas · August 2014

No. Failed MMOs rarely effect stand alone games, especially if the MMO grew from it. People remember how great TES series was (and still is). If this MMO tanks they could still make another TES game as a solo and succeed.

As for consoles, if they make them so you don't have to pay them a monthly sub fee to play multi-player then it's not a big deal, but I am in the position of having to explain to my 10 year old son that he's not getting an Xbox sub since I'm not giving MS any money at all for something they are quite capable to providing free, since they did it for decades before they got super greedy(er). Some friend of his bought a game for his birthday that requires a sub to do multiplayer (even locally, the pukes). Not gonna reward them for that.

PBpsy · August 2014

TequilaFire wrote: »

I fell asleep reading this thread and had a daymare about a Fallout MMO created by Zenimax. lol

You are truly sick and should seek immediate help. It's already a nightmare that Fallout is now made by Bethesda even if I like both Bethesda and ZoS if they make TES games.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

I fell asleep reading this thread and had a daymare about a Fallout MMO created by Zenimax. lol

You are truly sick and should seek immediate help. It's already a nightmare that Fallout is now made by Bethesda even if I like both Bethesda and ZoS if they make TES games.

I haven't played 3 or 4, myself (though I recently bought all of them for steam.)

I do like that it is more action than turn based now, though when I played the originals, I was very much more interested in turn based play.

In what way do you feel they butchered it?