Your Rig (please, no [snip] jokes)

Srugzal · August 2014

This is one time when the censored version of the title is funnier than the original.

Srugzal · August 2014

odiasuda wrote: »

What's the point of this?

This post? Or this thread? Did you not read the description? The question is not "what's my rig" but "Are there commonalities between rigs having a problem with FPS issues?" At least that was the plan.

AshySamurai · August 2014

I build my own.

squicker wrote: »

It does use all cores, most definitely, but it saturates only one. It would be nice if the thread that saturates this single core could be sub-divided into further threads that could therefore be executed on other cores. But AttorneyatLawl states this is tricky to do for an MMO.

Hmm. I needed to re-read your post a few times before I get what you're both talking about. And seems I get it. Thx.

Xeres14 · August 2014

I build my own.

Er misread the original post.

Oldtimer209 · August 2014

I voted I Build My Own

Gigabyte Z77X-D3H mobo
I5-3570K 3.4 GHz cpu
Samgung 840 Pro SSD system HD
WD 500GB data HD
EVGA GTX660 2 GB GPU
16 GB GSKIL RIPJAWS ram
24" ASUS monitor
Win7-64
I should have NO problems running in Cyrodiil but..........

Oldtimer209 · August 2014

odiasuda wrote: »

What's the point of this?

Just few players comparing system specs, flexing pc-peen, whats the point of your post?

Armianlee · August 2014

I build my own.

squicker wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

MULTICORE SUPPORT ZOS!!!

Really? It's hard to imagine to me that ESO runs only on one core. I tried to run game only on physical cores, and that was terrible.
I run game on Xeon X3450, GeFrorce 550Ti, 4Gb Ram (yep, I know). Seems pretty lame if you compare to what others have, but my system is old and still works fine on medium-custom (little freezes on ultra).

You and I both. I cannot imagine what was going through their, or any other developer releasing games past 2010, minds when they thought it was a good idea. Honestly most people have a dual core at the very least by now.

It does run on all cores - ESO spawns about 34 or more threads - but only one main thread does any meaningful work. I analysed the game quite deeply when it was released as I was surprised by the weak performance. Basically these other threads end up waiting for this main thread, so it may as well be single-threaded, in a sense!

It is very surprising and it seems possible to me that the game started being developed on dual core machines. In that scenario what would happen is this main thread would run on say Core 0 and then the other 35 ESO threads, plus lots of other key OS activity, would be scheduled on Core 1. This would most likely result in two busy, load-balanced cores. But of course the world has moved on and ESO was out of date in this way as soon as it was released.

It's a lot of work to change it, so I am not sure we'll see it ever happen.

M ESO must be broken then. It is most assuredly running on only one core. Windows is offloading it's background tasks to other cores. I've tried forcing affinity to other cores to see if it would like that but have no luck. I am not the only one that has it running on a single core with the rest either sleeping or running Windows priorities only.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

I build my own.

squicker wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

I have 4 cores, so with virtual cores I have 8 totally. Few times I tried to run only on physical, and I feel a very big difference. So I'd say that ESO more or less effectivly use all cores.

It does use all cores, most definitely, but it saturates only one. It would be nice if the thread that saturates this single core could be sub-divided into further threads that could therefore be executed on other cores. But AttorneyatLawl states this is tricky to do for an MMO.

Perhaps because of the rather event driven nature of such a game, meaning a key thread is always awaiting input\events etc., before driving the other 34 or so threads to execute.

You nailed it. Everything needs to sync back up with the primary game loop after completing its tasks (prediction can be used in some cases with correction after the fact for non-integral parts, an easy example being to think of how netcode works where it makes compromises based on what is expected and corrects the display on clients after the fact in some titles for example, particularly used in modern FPS games but to a lesser extent with client-side prediction in games like these, where you need to have a more authoritative server result).

While you can (as you pointed out other games have been engineered to do) work around it to some extent depending on how the entire thing's been built, and particularly when doing so from the ground up, it's both an architectural issue pretty much inherent to this kind of software, as well as a large investment in resources to really improve after a point, with it eventually becoming an ROI issue as to how far is really worth pursuing making it more performant in the cases it does get bottlenecked to what and where a lot of users will notice it.

crislevin · August 2014

I build my own.

I have an old system, built in 2010, graphic card, harddrive and memory are recently upgraded (2013).

AMD Athlon 64 II x4 640
12G RAM
Radeon 7950 3GB
Eyefinity 3x ACER 17"@4320x900
7200rpm 1TB WD

When I am on travel, I have an ASUS 17' ROG laptop with 8GB RAM, i7-4700, GeForce GTX 860M.

Swampster · August 2014

I build my own.

CPU - Intel i7-2600K OC @ 4.4Ghz Stable
M/B - Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3P
RAM - 16 Gb Corsair Vengence @‌ 1866 MHZ
OS/HDD : Sandisk Extreme SSD 120Gb
Games/HDD: Sandisk Extreme SSD 120Gb / Kingston HyperX SSD 120Gb
4 DISK RAID 5 Array - Media Storage 2Tb
GFX - EVGA Classified NVidia 780GTX
PSU - Corsair TX-1000 Modular
Case - Corsair 800D, all air inlets dust filtered
CPU Cooler - Corsair H100i

Connected Via BT Broadband..

Yes I suffer from microstutter and lags.. wasn't really a problem until they moved to the EU server, and the recent faffing about with bow skills is just borked now most of the time..

Oh and for some reason, if I go and sit in the middle of one of those water vapour collectors in Alikr my FPS grinds to a near halt.. 19FPS.

seaef · August 2014

Other

MacPro 3.7GHz 6-core, 64G RAM, Dual AMD D500 w/ 3G VRAM, 3 2560x1440 cinema displays and 1TB flash storage.

My primary machine because I need to run Logic and Final Cut Pro.

Stranglehands · August 2014

Other

Damn son

RedMiniStapler · August 2014

crislevin wrote: »

When I am on travel, I have an ASUS 17' ROG laptop.

If you travel a lot, you must be skinny, because carrying that enormous laptop is a serious work out.

raglau · August 2014

I build my own.

Armianlee wrote: »

M ESO must be broken then. It is most assuredly running on only one core.

What measurements make you say this?

raglau · August 2014

I build my own.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

it's both an architectural issue pretty much inherent to this kind of software, as well as a large investment in resources to really improve after a point, with it eventually becoming an ROI issue as to how far is really worth pursuing making it more performant in the cases it does get bottlenecked to what and where a lot of users will notice it.

Yes, I can appreciate this. In fact, I had some sympathy with Trion when they worked on splitting out some key activities in Rift, to make it parallelise more effectively. Trion kept saying that most people would not even see the performance improvement they were expecting, and I think when it was done, that was actually the truth of it.

Nestor · August 2014

I build my own.

Doc_Baconb14_ESO wrote: »

Literally bought an ibuypower yesterday, should arrive soon. It was one of those "pick the parts and we'll build it" things, and it was a pretty damn good deal too. Has an i7 4.0Ghz processor, a nvidia 760x 2gb graphics card, 16gb memory, terabyte hardrive, liquid cooling, and, yeah I think thats about it.

One thing about these "Build it for you" sites, when the PCs are shipped, cables frequently get dislodged in transit. So, pop the case sides and make sure everything is seated. They also tend to not apply the latest firmwares or BIOS updates. These may not be needed, but you could do some research and see if your rig could benefit from this. Finally, the driver packages are not always optimal, so look into that when you get the rig.

This is not a knock on IBuyPower or any of these build houses. I read a review where the magazine bought several rigs from builders and out of 12, only one worked out of the box, 10 had cables loose or heatsinks loose, and one had some Firmware/BIOS issues. Loose parts comes with shipping, so that is to be expected.

Armianlee · August 2014

I build my own.

squicker wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

M ESO must be broken then. It is most assuredly running on only one core.

What measurements make you say this?

Checking various core monitoring programs. C0T0 is running at 100%, C0T1 0-20%, C1T0 15%, C1T1 0-20%, C2T0 0-20%, C2T1- C3T1 normally sit around 0. Granted the programme pushes multiple strings but it seems to really only be utilising a single core while the rest are running Windows tasks.

I don't want to get this thread off track. The mods are leaving it up and that is more than I can say for the last "Share your Rig" thread. After work I will start a new thread complete with l links to core monitoring programmes to see what most people are getting.

raglau · August 2014

I build my own.

Armianlee wrote: »

squicker wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

M ESO must be broken then. It is most assuredly running on only one core.

What measurements make you say this?

Checking various core monitoring programs. C0T0 is running at 100%, C0T1 0-20%, C1T0 15%, C1T1 0-20%, C2T0 0-20%, C2T1- C3T1 normally sit around 0. Granted the programme pushes multiple strings but it seems to really only be utilising a single core while the rest are running Windows tasks.

I don't want to get this thread off track.

Fair enough re keeping it on track so I'll simply say that the core monitoring does not show you what cores the many ESO threads (I am in ESO right now and it has spawned 34 threads) are on. This is because they are scheduled and re-scheduled across multiple cores on a milli-second by milli-second basis. I will state that absolutely ESO is running across all cores it has affinity for (all of them by default) but there is one key thread, I actually think from memory it is Thread0, that saturates one core. The other 30 odd threads are running across the other cores, it's just their workload is so light your core monitoring prog does not pick up the work on a core.

I'd say that AttorneyatLawl has summed the reasons for this up perfectly.

Remember, a process devolves down to many constituent threads in normal operation and it is threads that Windows executes, not processes. You are merely witnessing the fact 1 thread does most work and that one thread is the final unit of execution and ergo singular core load.

Aeratus · August 2014

I build my own.

Custom built

i7 4770k
GTX 780 (ACX SC)
Saumsung SSD for running ESO

Postmaster · August 2014

I build my own.

I voted build my own

Chip: Watercooled Intel i7-3770K 3.5 GHz overclocked to 4.2 GHz

Motherboard: Asus Maximus IV Extreme - Z

Memory: Crucial 16gb DDR3 1600 2 x 8gb sticks

Graphics cards: Watercooled 3 Way SLI Asus GTX680

PSU: Thermaltake 1350W

Case: Customized Coomaster Haf X

Moonscythe · August 2014

Other

I wasn't going to say but I'm a Mac, too. Mine is an early 2011 iMac. I will leave it at that. I have played since beta and never crashed. I can't have the graphics on full, blow-your-mind-awesome and loading can be slow but I can't really complain. I don't PvP so that probably helps.

Cuyler · August 2014

Nice rigs guys! can't help but wonder tho why you'd play on small monitors when you've got so much invested in gear?! I can't even stand playing on anything less than 32" and even that seems small to me.

Pallmor · August 2014

I build my own.

Wow, you guys have some nice systems. Mine is a little old:

AMD Phenom II X4 940
6 GB DDR2
Radeon HD 7770 Videocard

Still, I have no problem running ESO at 1920x1080 with all settings on High (only a few things like anti-aliasing turned off) with decent fps. So it must not be TOO demanding.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Other

Asus G75V
Intel Core i7-3610QM 2.3GHz
12GB RAM
NVidia GEFORCE GTX 660M 2GB VRAM

Sallington · August 2014

I build my own.

FX-6300 @ 4.5Ghz (~1.475v, never gets above 45c during PvP siege)
Corsair H75 AIO Water Cooling
16GB 1600mhz RAM
Asus DCII GTX 660 x 2 (SLI)
NZXT H440

If you're not building your own, you need to start. It's easier than it sounds and you'll save a lot of money.

Ok, you won't save any money, but you'll get much more bang for your buck.

raglau · August 2014

I build my own.

Cuyler wrote: »

Nice rigs guys! can't help but wonder tho why you'd play on small monitors when you've got so much invested in gear?! I can't even stand playing on anything less than 32" and even that seems small to me.

Bit of a frustration but the NVidia 3DVision 2 kits all come with 27" monitors.

A secondary consideration for me is physical desktop space. I use 2 monitors for work and 2 x 27" fit nicely on my desk, 2 larger monitors would require lengthening my desk which in turned would put the squeeze on some other items in my home office.

Cuyler · August 2014

squicker wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Nice rigs guys! can't help but wonder tho why you'd play on small monitors when you've got so much invested in gear?! I can't even stand playing on anything less than 32" and even that seems small to me.

Bit of a frustration but the NVidia 3DVision 2 kits all come with 27" monitors.

A secondary consideration for me is physical desktop space. I use 2 monitors for work and 2 x 27" fit nicely on my desk, 2 larger monitors would require lengthening my desk which in turned would put the squeeze on some other items in my home office.

I Agree. I figure most of the time its a physical space issue. Wish the wife would let me turn the wall into a monitor

yiasemi · August 2014

Mine is like so awesome, with dwemer spiders to maintain all the threads, spun into a Mephala steamcooled core. Honest. They spin like more threads than I can count. Really. Execute me.

Nhines · August 2014

I build my own.

3570k @ 4.2/Corsair H100i (probably won't be upgrading for a while, Intel's still using crappy TIM and I don't de-lid my processors anymore)
Asus P8Z77-M
8GB GSkill (I just game and browse on this box, so 16 would be pointless atm)
Gigabyte 7870 (getting old)
Samsung 840 500GB SSD
Seagate 2TB
Seasonic 650W
Fractal Arc Mini
Bunch of Noctua fans
2 Dell U2410s

crislevin · August 2014

I build my own.

RedMiniStapler wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

When I am on travel, I have an ASUS 17' ROG laptop.

If you travel a lot, you must be skinny, because carrying that enormous laptop is a serious work out.

Tell me about it, it's 10 lbs of awesomeness that crushes my shoulders all the time.