When a 1997 mmo has a superior fishing system.

Thechemicals · August 2014

Heres a link of a 1997 made mmo's fishing system
http://uo2.stratics.com/skill-guides/skills-and-professions/fishing

It only covers the basics and not the million things that could be scooped up from the sea. Whats happened to mmo's that they gotten so ...simple-dumb?

Thechemicals · August 2014

http://www.uoguide.com/Fishing

DieAlteHexe · August 2014

Tell you what, I'll take all the vast improvements in this game over the "better" fishing from UO days.

Thechemicals · August 2014

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Tell you what, I'll take all the vast improvements in this game over the "better" fishing from UO days.

Other than graphics, what does this game have that is superior to Uo? Better mmo engine to support Cyrodiil? Those arent exactly ideas.....more like just technology.

I think my point flew right over your head.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO · August 2014

If fishing is focus for your ESO experience...you may be doing it wrong.

To point out, I really only have TESIV and TESV experience, but neither had fishing. So, I'm guessing that isn't a high priority or focus for Elder Scrolls.

Then again, I don't recall fishing in Ultima I-IX, Underworld I & II, Martian Dreams, Savage Empire...or in the original version of UO.

Thechemicals · August 2014

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

If fishing is focus for your ESO experience...you may be doing it wrong.

To point out, I really only have TESIV and TESV experience, but neither had fishing. So, I'm guessing that isn't a high priority or focus for Elder Scrolls.

Then again, I don't recall fishing in Ultima I-IX, Underworld I & II, Martian Dreams, Savage Empire...or in the original version of UO.

Here is a link to blacksmithing in UO 1997

http://www.uoguide.com/Blacksmithy

http://www.uoguide.com/Blacksmithy_Recipes#Blacksmithing

http://www.uoguide.com/Blacksmith_BOD

I can link every craft skill in this 1997 mmo game that is superior system in detail and creativity.

My focus is pvp. Occasionally i try out other aspects of the game and when i see how inferior it is....i go back to pvp.

DieAlteHexe · August 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Tell you what, I'll take all the vast improvements in this game over the "better" fishing from UO days.

Other than graphics, what does this game have that is superior to Uo? Better mmo engine to support Cyrodiil? Those arent exactly ideas.....more like just technology.

I think my point flew right over your head.

Another soul who thinks that because someone disagrees with them, they failed to understand their point.

Incorrect.

As for your other assertions, matter of opinion but I'm pretty confident that ESO is a vastly superior game in many, many ways, not the least of which is questing, combat and the world.

DieAlteHexe · August 2014

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

If fishing is focus for your ESO experience...you may be doing it wrong.

To point out, I really only have TESIV and TESV experience, but neither had fishing. So, I'm guessing that isn't a high priority or focus for Elder Scrolls.

Then again, I don't recall fishing in Ultima I-IX, Underworld I & II, Martian Dreams, Savage Empire...or in the original version of UO.

There was fishing in UO, one of the things I GM'd. And I'm not sure what was so spectacular about it. You fished, you cooked, you progressed. Suited a need, certainly.

KhajitFurTrader · August 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

I think my point flew right over your head.

Your point being that the ESO fishing system is somewhat lackluster, you don't like it, and there's room for improvement? (Well known) point taken.

Now, comparing ESO to a 27 year old game could be construed as intentional hyperbole. If it is, I'd say that your argument is somewhat lackluster, I don't like it, and there's room for improvement...

But we can agree that the fishing system could be made more useful (or useful in the first place, as it is).

Afterthought: the idea of linking it to Provisioning and Alchemy comes readily to mind.

Thechemicals · August 2014

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Tell you what, I'll take all the vast improvements in this game over the "better" fishing from UO days.

Other than graphics, what does this game have that is superior to Uo? Better mmo engine to support Cyrodiil? Those arent exactly ideas.....more like just technology.

I think my point flew right over your head.

Another soul who thinks that because someone disagrees with them, they failed to understand their point.

Incorrect.

As for your other assertions, matter of opinion but I'm pretty confident that ESO is a vastly superior game in many, many ways, not the least of which is questing, combat and the world.

Actually you agreed with me when you said youd take this games vast improvements over its inferior fishing. You did say this game has vast improvements and fishing is mediocre. Thanks for coming, and the feedback.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

I would like the fishing nets from UO that drag up sea serpents and ghost ships etc. That would be pretty cool.

DenverRalphy · August 2014

My only gripe about fishing in ESO... The wait time staring at the screen waiting for a bite to reel in. It doesn't necessarily have to be as short as gathering wood/plants/runes, heck it could be twice as long as other nodes for all I care. But sometimes you can sit for what seems like forever even with the right bait for the water, to the point it's just annoying.

Thechemicals · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I would like the fishing nets from UO that drag up sea serpents and ghost ships etc. That would be pretty cool.

Me too. Its not like UO was a fishing game, it was known for pvp first and then its pve/housing. Yet somehow they managed to make blacksmithing,cooking,fishing,alchemy, superior to anything eso currently has in the same category. How does something like that happen?

I spent 3 nights fishing in this game as a way to get away from the mess of trials and pvp only to be surprised how unattractive it is. In UO-I fished serpents,water elementals, house decor, treasure chests, and i did it on my own boat.

Seriously what is really going on?

Super_Sonico · August 2014

The guild went on a fishing expedition last night as a guild activity. Aside from the lack of being able to collect guts for bait, we had a blast!

We found that there weren't enough fishing holes to fill our needs though. We spent more time running around looking for fishing holes than we actually spent fishing. In about 2.5 hours I had 8/12 of the fish in Glenumbra.

I got some unexpected loot from the wet gunny sacks which was fun and unexpected.

The only part that I found could use some tweaking:
The instructions are clear (and the mechanism is a great one that I wouldn't recommend changing), having more people fish at a fishing hole increases your chance for rarer fish, but will dry out the hole more rapidly.

Yeah, these numbers need changing. At solo fishing holes I could catch between 20-30 fish. But it's seriously no fun when they're all white fish without even decent resale at a vendor. Probably could cut down on the number of fish at a hole so my chances of getting the prize fish don't drone on and on into boredom (which was why I ultimately stopped fishing for the night).

When we had 4-6 people fishing at the fishing holes, we had great luck getting prize fish. Almost at every hole someone walked away with a prize fish. However, there were multiple holes were only 1 or 2 people in the group would get a fish before the hole would dry up. WTH? At a minimum, with 4 people fishing, everyone should be allowed to at least catch 2-3 fish.

Fishing holes need to repawn faster. We found several foul water fishing holes, fished them dry, and after 2 hours none of them had respawned and no new fishing holes had shown up.

That makes it challenging, sure, but when you go on a fishing trip, you should spend time actually fishing, not just looking for a place to fish. I'd almost advocate a new system where you can fish at any location on the water. That'd be AWESOME.

Thechemicals · August 2014

I mean.....FFS YOU CANT EVEN COOK THE FISH lol.

DieAlteHexe · August 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

I mean.....FFS YOU CANT EVEN COOK THE FISH lol.

Now this...this I agree with. I was rather surprised that you couldn't. Instead...trophies. I'd rather cook 'em. :P

DenverRalphy · August 2014

Fishy Sticks should require fish as an ingredient.

Thechemicals · August 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Fishy Sticks should require fish as an ingredient.

Hell yes....thats called synergy.

Fishing should synergize with cooking. All craft skills should have some indepth synergy between themselves.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

My only gripe about fishing in ESO... The wait time staring at the screen waiting for a bite to reel in. It doesn't necessarily have to be as short as gathering wood/plants/runes, heck it could be twice as long as other nodes for all I care. But sometimes you can sit for what seems like forever even with the right bait for the water, to the point it's just annoying.

Sort of why I don't fish in real life, and surprisingly I don't enjoy doing it in a game either. To the OP there was fishing in the Sims, should we also watch our characters shower and defecate?

Vizier · August 2014

Over the years I've played some great games and had some awesome experiences with them. In the early years with Ultima, Wizardry, Castle Wolfenstein, (before the 3d versions, well early wizardry was kind of 3d but..) And the mid years with, Deus Ex, Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Morrowind, Company of Heroes and Metal of Honor, etc. Each game wonderful if I measure the enjoyment I got out of them at the time. As much as I absolutely loved those games I would not waste time playing them now because atm the ESO experience by far trumps those others...now. Even Morrowind...just sayin (please don't beat me bro...heh)

Like anything it's a give and take and honestly it's a waste of time to make comparisons like such as the OP did. The ESO system is what it is and serves whatever purpose it does. It can't in any way be reasonably compared to or criticized because of a fishing mechanic once experienced in a 1997 MMO. These new games offer new experiences according to the vision of the crafters, writers, developers, it's either good, bad or blah. It is none of those based on it's relation to X because it's not related to X in any way....IMO

Would I love to see the game Morrowind recreated with the new engines, voice acting, lack of fast travel, need to explore, less hand holding, more character development etc. YES, Absolutely, but I can't dis ESO for not going in that direction and act like it's a somehow inferior product, because it's not.

Much rather see you petition for a more detailed and intricate fishing system rather than take what I see as a cheap shot, quick point comparison. It just really serves no purpose IMO.

DenverRalphy · August 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

My only gripe about fishing in ESO... The wait time staring at the screen waiting for a bite to reel in. It doesn't necessarily have to be as short as gathering wood/plants/runes, heck it could be twice as long as other nodes for all I care. But sometimes you can sit for what seems like forever even with the right bait for the water, to the point it's just annoying.

Sort of why I don't fish in real life, and surprisingly I don't enjoy doing it in a game either.

To be fair, as someone who fishes A LOT in real life... I resign my day or weekend to do nothing but fish.

I can waste days doing it enjoying nothing but the peaceful activity. IRL, fishing is not a side activity, as it is in an MMO.

Evandus · August 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Fishy Sticks should require fish as an ingredient.

Definitely. I still don't get why it isn't this way.

Thechemicals · August 2014

Vizier wrote: »

Over the years I've played some great games and had some awesome experiences with them. In the early years with Ultima, Wizardry, Castle Wolfenstein, (before the 3d versions, well early wizardry was kind of 3d but..) And the mid years with, Deus Ex, Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Morrowind, Company of Heroes and Metal of Honor, etc. Each game wonderful if I measure the enjoyment I got out of them at the time. As much as I absolutely loved those games I would not waste time playing them now because atm the ESO experience by far trumps those others...now. Even Morrowind...just sayin (please don't beat me bro...heh)

Like anything it's a give and take and honestly it's a waste of time to make comparisons like such as the OP did. The ESO system is what it is and serves whatever purpose it does. It can't in any way be reasonably compared to or criticized because of a fishing mechanic once experienced in a 1997 MMO. These new games offer new experiences according to the vision of the crafters, writers, developers, it's either good, bad or blah. It is none of those based on it's relation to X because it's not related to X in any way....IMO

Would I love to see the game Morrowind recreated with the new engines, voice acting, lack of fast travel, need to explore, less hand holding, more character development etc. YES, Absolutely, but I can't dis ESO for not going in that direction and act like it's a somehow inferior product, because it's not.

Much rather see you petition for a more detailed and intricate fishing system rather than take what I see as a cheap shot, quick point comparison. It just really serves no purpose IMO.

Lay your shield down, you dont need to defend lack of creativity. I fished Duhfish and Salmon for 4 hours per night....none of which can be cooked or sold for any money. Ocassionally you get a wet bag with some craft stones in it. Im not throwing a cheap shot, eso did that to itself when it offered fishing in the first place. Let me ask you this, because eso added fishing in this game does that allow it to suck as bad as it does that a 17+ year old game has more options and imagination to it. Let me ask you something else, does this new experience in Elder Scrolls Online also involve the inability to go underwater. Thanks for your feedback but you dont need to defend eso's poorly implemented features.

And btw, i love this game. Its a 8/10 for me so dont think im a hater.

Mission · August 2014

Ocarina of time had better fishing than this game!

Vahrokh · August 2014

A 2003 MMO called Horizons Empire of Istaria had better fishing and crafting. You could actually create your fishing tools from bare minerals and wood, building each sub-piece down to the fishing line and the materials to make it.

The lack of depth of post-WoW era is still hurting to those who had the great fortune of being there to see the golden age of online gaming.

Yes, nowadays we have shiny windows projecting light. But today's games are 100 time more shallow than a simple text game (known as MUDs).

Heck, who played Planescape:Torment knows the huge drop in quality and depth we had in the last years.

ThePonzzz · August 2014

There are a lot of systems that leave a lot to be desired. Best thing you can do is sell your bait to an achievement hunter at 10g a piece.

Spottswoode · August 2014

I'd prefer we stick to fixing combat and class balance at the moment to fixing the side activities. I'd much prefer this game had a music system like LOTRO, but such things are wasted developer time at this point. I'd like to see some improved fishing as well, but until much of what is lacking in the game currently is fixed, this isn't a very worthwhile discussion.

Armann · August 2014

According to Richard Garriot, the fishing simulation in UO was simply a 50/50 chance each time, skip to 1:37:00 in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBjUdnAt1GM&index=12&list=PLC4AF467F9391D767

sagitter · August 2014

I know very well uo fishing system, i was grandmaster fisher:p , be patience because i bet that in future updates they will improve fishing.There are a lot of more important things coming and fixing.

Pseudonym · August 2014

Just let us cook the fish and I'll be happy.. or use their oil for alchemy.. or give us the ability to fish slap people.

Xsorus · August 2014

As someone who played UO back then, a few things...Fishing in that game was fairly useless for a good first part of that games life. It didn't become useful till you could fish up Treasure Chests basically.

It was kind of interesting when that happened, I had heard rumors they were planning on fixing fishing in that game and make it useful, so I spent like 2 hours GMing my Fishing skill (as the more people doing it, the slower it was to raise) and then when the patch came, I made millions of Gold getting treasure chests outta the Ocean. my friend on the other hand had to raise fishing up with the huge zerg of people trying to do it, and by the time they got it to GM, they'd already nerfed it.