WraithAzraiel wrote: »

I've never seen the Blue Icon on the population screen anything other than a lock.

Whenever our group logs in its just us (or sometimes just me!) and a handful of stragglers and we have the joy of planning how best to slow down the onslaught of the 6:1 odds (plus an emperor group) coming our way from AD...

Ive voiced my opinion in zone trying to get people to drop back and defend instead of taking property when we obviously way outnumber the other alliances put together. People don't get that chasing the enemy off the server isn't winning. Nobody wins when you kill the pvp in a pvp game.

I don't know what the fix is here other than doing away with the points system to win a campaign. They need to rethink the whole system. There are plenty who want to play this type of pvp. There is no one who wants to play somewhere they feel there is no hope of ever competing to "win" a campaign.

I'm seeing a lot of back and forth accusing each faction of being terrible, zerging, using troll camps, etc. This is all true, but what people need to understand is that it isn't one faction. All three do it. The outcome may be different on different campaigns, as generally one faction will be doing better than others but by switching sometimes you'll see the opposite.

I completely agree that it's only fun if you play to win, and not to kill the server. I understand that the factions are at war, and being in the military I have a distinct and personal view of this. That being said, most people are letting their emotions get away from them. A faction will pull their forces together to roll a map after they get mad at another and it essentially kills the server. I realize that there's no way to really combat this, but just wanted to make sure people saw it for what it is, rather than blame the other factions and call them out for exploits, trolling, and other things that all use equally (at least to some extent).

The only thing for us to do as the players is to get over petty arguments and try our best to have fun, because it's just a game. No one wants to quit because they have no hope or because it isn't fun when they dominate a server and don't even let a resource be taken. I guess I'm just asking for the community to calm down a bit, and just have fun and play the game for what it is. I've spoken to people from all factions and have friends from all three, and when given a chance most players are really good people and just want to have a good time. Everyone please stop blaming each other and fueling the fire. This game has potential, but unless we as a community decide to take advantage of that, we'll only end up driving others away.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to get this out there and hopefully some will listen and agree.

jaybo1727 wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of back and forth accusing each faction of being terrible, zerging, using troll camps, etc. This is all true, but what people need to understand is that it isn't one faction. All three do it. The outcome may be different on different campaigns, as generally one faction will be doing better than others but by switching sometimes you'll see the opposite.

I completely agree that it's only fun if you play to win, and not to kill the server. I understand that the factions are at war, and being in the military I have a distinct and personal view of this. That being said, most people are letting their emotions get away from them. A faction will pull their forces together to roll a map after they get mad at another and it essentially kills the server. I realize that there's no way to really combat this, but just wanted to make sure people saw it for what it is, rather than blame the other factions and call them out for exploits, trolling, and other things that all use equally (at least to some extent).

The only thing for us to do as the players is to get over petty arguments and try our best to have fun, because it's just a game. No one wants to quit because they have no hope or because it isn't fun when they dominate a server and don't even let a resource be taken. I guess I'm just asking for the community to calm down a bit, and just have fun and play the game for what it is. I've spoken to people from all factions and have friends from all three, and when given a chance most players are really good people and just want to have a good time. Everyone please stop blaming each other and fueling the fire. This game has potential, but unless we as a community decide to take advantage of that, we'll only end up driving others away.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to get this out there and hopefully some will listen and agree.

I get what you're trying to say here and agree but honestly it's never going to happen, it's hard with this, I don't blame the Oceanic players that have all moved to AD because honestly nobody wants to get steamrolled it's not fun. The spies and stuff oh well these things happen, you're never gonna stop that. I just wish there was better pop control over NA off peak times (pacific time) like only ever allowing 1 bar above the other factions until the numbers pick up to maintain some semblance of balance at all times.

Maybe it's just me but I rather be getting steamrolled than being on the other side fighting over action like seagulls over a chip...

The only reasonably possible solution is

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

As an AD member, I'm not really enjoying this, tbh. Our side is less organized than DC, so there are times when our pop is higher and we are still losing ground, but more and more we just end up owning everything. EP doesn't have much of a presence at all.

I like to win, but I want to earn it, you know? Rolling the other factions because they are low pop is not exactly fun.

The alternative is to go to Chillrend for the exact opposite effect. But I also want a chance of winning.

There's no middle ground it seems. I either have the win handed to me, or fail completely.

Honestly, neither is very conducive to gaining AP like I would like.

This^^ if only more people shared your view ZOS might take notice to the fact that their PVE is so unimpressive, the major population of their re-subs are pvpers. And their pvp system vs faction populations and adding guesting to the equation makes it impossible for anyone but AD to win whichever server has the most action. More and more will be discouraged from pvp and be left with nothing to look forward to, the slow death many games with amazing potential have endured.

As for what others keep mentioning 'stupid dc farming ap near arrius with only their inner keeps'... those are the emp ap farmers.... objective goers don't do that, the emp farmers do... you know the ones with millions of AP in the first week or two. You don't get that from objectives, but that's just another flaw in ZOS' vision of Cyrodil.

Another set of awesome comments in this thread are that the map has never been blue... Clear sign of an Aussie/Oceanic. During U.S. TZ... its at least 2/3 blue EVERY DAY, and we've turned every keep blue and had all 6 scrolls, and while this might not seem like an extraordinary feat...to Oceanic AD... We do it with a triple lock popped server. You might remember this last week... the day before you took the lead.

I'm not sure if I'm more upset that the AD Oceanic population is so high vs the other factions making it impossible to defeat, or if I'm more sad that they don't even get to experience the challenge of real triple lock popped pvp that the U.S. does because ZOS didn't really think about how population COULD destroy Cyrodil... and after watching populations seems they're thinking "eh eventually some AD will get bored and spend an eternity levelling in a different faction and regear )

It's really perplexing though that such a large amount of people in one region of the world overwhelmingly chose the same faction.

Renuo wrote: »

Maybe it's just me but I rather be getting steamrolled than being on the other side fighting over action like seagulls over a chip...

Yup. This is largely why I joined the underdog Pact over the fair weather factions.

Also EP would be quite a force if they didn't have welfare winners on chillrend in oceanic. You realize sometimes they lock pop on oceanic when you're sitting on thornblade at 1 bar? Classic underdog pact as you put it.

I play AD. During the day, pacific time, AD doesn't fair so well. Blue comes down and takes back there scrolls. But at night AD dominates bad. Blue and red seem to have no coordination with maybe 10-15 person zergs which are handled easy. We say where we are all going to hit in zone and 3-4 full raids show up to capture or defend. You know a few weeks ago AD was in 3rd place in points. So I think some people just gave up in blue and red.

All DC have been here from the beginning that's why since day 1 we've rocked the scoreboard on NA... You must be Oceanic, but you're right EP have been dropping off.

It's interesting you mention timezones though, perhaps you can analyze what happens when all 3 factions are poplocked and DC runs the map... and then things change when AD continues its poplock... and everyone else falls off.

Do you even know what it's like to try and take a map with a full poplock? It's a ton of fun, I hope you switch factions some day and find out since there's only one that can do it.

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Whatever the reason (and no it's not an army of Aussies) the fact is that AD wins on numbers and numbers alone in those off hours and that's what's killing the campaign. It's a lame way to win for sure but no one did it intentionally. So what's the solution? So far the solution for me and most people I speak to is to unsub.

It's probably too late already but without some quick thinking and acting from ZOS, Cyrodiil will be a ghostzone next month.

But at least we get to see Orsinium...

FluffiestOne wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Whatever the reason (and no it's not an army of Aussies) the fact is that AD wins on numbers and numbers alone in those off hours and that's what's killing the campaign. It's a lame way to win for sure but no one did it intentionally. So what's the solution? So far the solution for me and most people I speak to is to unsub.

It's probably too late already but without some quick thinking and acting from ZOS, Cyrodiil will be a ghostzone next month.

But at least we get to see Orsinium...

Dev time well spent. Almost as awesome as upper&lower Crag.

IKilled007 wrote: »

It's clear that EP's number one priority on Thornblade is to harass DC. They'd rather see AD hold all 6 scrolls and Emp than let DC keep its two scrolls. That's fine, all is fair in love and war, right? But don't then come on the forums and whine about DC.

You obviously have failed to notice the nightly battles between EP and AD in the Alessia to Sejanus corridor. While some of EP have an unhealthy obsession to attacking Aleswell and Dragonclaw regardless of any other higher priorities, EP does focus on AD.

That being said. DC spends far more time farming EP than attacking AD so any hatred you think EP has for DC is more than matched by DC going out of their way to antagonize EP.

IKilled007 wrote: »

At most 10% of EP battles AD. They just play games at the Sejanus/Alessia bridge. The rest of EP harasses AD in the North.

Very few DC attack EP. Mostly we push South.

Please tell me you don't include situational awareness as a life skill you cherish because the above statements are way off base and lack any sort of awareness.

While you clearly have a DC only bias, you are simply wrong. EP spent more time this past week trying to obtain our stolen scrolls from AD than we spent battling DC in the north. Yes, we did engage DC but not nearly as much as we did AD.

Now that the Oceanic AD crew has stolen our scrolls again, I expect more of the same this week. Or maybe AD will strike Arrius mine again like they did on Saturday. That sure drew out the DC forces en masse. I guess you guys needed a break from your march southward, eh?