To the DC on Thornblade NA

PlagueMonk · August 2014

DC People, what the hell are you doing?!

I heard about a lot of DC/EP guild drama lately (and the moving of some of EPs major guilds over to Chill because they are obviously [snip]) but I am NOT a part of those guilds, nor are many others. So you DC need to stop all the incessant EP hate.

I was playing at 1AM MST last night and the pop stood at AD locked, EP 1 bar, DC 2 bars.

Can't you see that AD is steamrolling BOTH of us (especially because of the oceanic presence) and the only way to put AD in their place is to not attack each other and hit AD? Now I'm not suggesting we shake hands and get all chummy but we need to come to some general understanding and hit AD exclusively, especially during the twilight hours when the "Sea Elves" are up and about. Otherwise we will continue to lose our scrolls during the night and have AD do nothing but dominate, or would you rather be happy with always being distant second? (which is still the first loser)

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Naw_Sunrest · August 2014

A lot of people in my faction (DC) still insist on provoking EP guild leaders and farming AP at Arrius and Farragut. The short term thinking of these individuals and lack of strategy hurts my brain.

Xallus · August 2014

PlagueMonk wrote: »

(especially because of the oceanic presence)

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

It's not especially, it is the sole reason. As for both factions focusing only on AD during oceanic, with our typical oceanic populations we would still be outnumbered by multiple full groups. Things are probably going to get worse with the addition of a new 30 day and ZOS ignoring the issues of guesting vs time zone pops. Its not a fair system but it seems like its the nature of the beast, if they wanted pvp to be fair the maximum population would be a 1for1for1 queue in system. Which would not only be an incredibly difficult (I imagine) system to implement smoothly, but it would anger a lot of people that depend on that population advantage for victory.

Rylana · August 2014

MURDER EVERYTHING

SoulScream · August 2014

EP is attacking DC and not even trying to get their scrolls from AD. It's funny you want DC to focus on AD but EP won't attack AD.

Dleatherus · August 2014

from an AD player's point of view, DC and EP remind me of two ex gf's who had a beef with me, but upon seeing each other would either team up and rag on me or drop everything and start trying to claw each other's eyes out - no middle ground

D.

wllstrt75b14_ESO · August 2014

It is well know that AD and DC cant do crap with out their zergs while EP has been under popped most of the camp. Why DC who fails miserably, when they are under popped cant use their intelligence on thorn is for the simple reason that it is much easier to try and pick on the guys that have fewer numbers then to try and fight the zerg that is AD.

Why people complain about it is beyond me..the fact is they attack the side AD is attacking so they can get easier kills cause they know they are useless without their zerg.

perfect example is at aswell..instead of trying to get their keep back they try and ambush EP as AD is pushing out on EP.

Meanwhile they have capped pop and have like 2 keeps cause well they are terrible.

PlagueMonk · August 2014

SoulScream wrote: »

EP is attacking DC and not even trying to get their scrolls from AD. It's funny you want DC to focus on AD but EP won't attack AD.

And I can tell you why this is the case because I experienced it all last night........we tried and tried and tried to take our scrolls but were repelled every damn time because we were also trying to split our forces defending DC s attacks.

It took a scroll raid on ADs part to finally get DC to focus on keeping the last scroll. Sadly, by that point the EP pop was so low we didn't have the pop to take an AD keep, even if AD had its force split.

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

It is well know that AD and DC cant do crap with out their zergs while EP has been under popped most of the camp. Why DC who fails miserably, when they are under popped cant use their intelligence on thorn is for the simple reason that it is much easier to try and pick on the guys that have fewer numbers then to try and fight the zerg that is AD.

Why people complain about it is beyond me..the fact is they attack the side AD is attacking so they can get easier kills cause they know they are useless without their zerg.

perfect example is at aswell..instead of trying to get their keep back they try and ambush EP as AD is pushing out on EP.

Meanwhile they have capped pop and have like 2 keeps cause well they are terrible.

But this is exactly my point, if we STOPPED the DC/EP fighting and focused on AD we would both have a fighting chance together. I don't know which EP guilds pissed off DC but with those EP guilds on Chill now, we need to stop cutting off our nose to spite our face, so to speak.

The whole point behind a 3 sided war is the two weaker gang up on the strongest. It worked pretty well in DAoC but here DC sees nothing but red literally.

As I said though I am not willing to go as far as say the enemy of my enemy is my friend, EP/DC skirmishes would be fine. We just let each side have the keeps that belong to them and go after AD. Maybe when we have beat AD back to their gates for a couple weeks we can turn on each other to decide who get's the AD keeps

Krinaman · August 2014

DC was done to 3 keeps because while the entire EP faction was attacking at Ales the entire AD faction was taking our keeps. Honestly, I don't get how EP can be whining about DC after that stunt. But whatever, the campaign is over and I got a crap ton of AP from the defense ticks.

Cody · August 2014

just come to the non-vet campaign. its the best so far, save the slightly OP keep guards:)

jackyd · August 2014

ZOS created this mess by dividing the players onto EU and US servers, if we'd be all playing on the same server factions locks would be in place 24/7 and noone could complain about night capping as the factions could control their assets in shifts.

Komma · August 2014

I would love to play with the eu folks! That would mean them moving back to a na located server which they complained about for a very long time though =(

Anazasi · August 2014

Ha ha working as intended...

Skwor · August 2014

jackyd wrote: »

ZOS created this mess by dividing the players onto EU and US servers, if we'd be all playing on the same server factions locks would be in place 24/7 and noone could complain about night capping as the factions could control their assets in shifts.

Preach it! I have posted repeatedly about this very thing. We need to promote more PVP and less PVDoor in the campaigns.

LonePirate · August 2014

Within the past 30 minutes, DC decided to join in on AD's farming of my foolish EP brethren at Arrius Mine. DC controlled only their three inner keeps and Dragonclaw at the time. Any reasonable person would have thought that would have been a good time for DC to retake their home keep of Aleswell or Ash. Evidently DC on this campaign doesn't think so. Apparently only DC is allowed farm EP on Thornblade and doing that is far more critical a mission than reclaiming their lost real estate or cutting into AD's lead.

shimmyatwa_ESO · August 2014

We've been trying to take Ash and Ales back all day, just not enough people against AD's infinite pop lock. Doesn't help that EP only wants to fight us either

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

As an AD member, I'm not really enjoying this, tbh. Our side is less organized than DC, so there are times when our pop is higher and we are still losing ground, but more and more we just end up owning everything. EP doesn't have much of a presence at all.

I like to win, but I want to earn it, you know? Rolling the other factions because they are low pop is not exactly fun.

The alternative is to go to Chillrend for the exact opposite effect. But I also want a chance of winning.

There's no middle ground it seems. I either have the win handed to me, or fail completely.

Honestly, neither is very conducive to gaining AP like I would like.

shimmyatwa_ESO · August 2014

Most of DC has given up...only a matter of time before AD kills pvp

Skwor · August 2014

shimmyatwa_ESO wrote: »

Most of DC has given up...only a matter of time before AD kills pvp

Gee if only someone saw this coming.. Oh wait....

WraithAzraiel · August 2014

You have to talk to DC like you would a school of fish or any other swarming animal. Simple sentences with a food reward at the end.

WraithAzraiel · August 2014

And honestly, I've lost count of how many times AD has come up against the Purple alliance or hell JUST DC only to have the entire map turned blue or mostly blue and slightly red.

If they're "Zerg everything and AOE spam until the enemy is dead or we crash the server" tactic is being finally outsmarted. They can take their dresses and sticks and their butthurt elsewhere.

shimmyatwa_ESO · August 2014

Nah problem is most people hopped on the AD bandwagon so they can keep pop locked 24/7. EP and DC cant draw anywhere near the same numbers consistently. Its just sad most people would rather take the easy win then fight for it

WraithAzraiel · August 2014

It wasn't a fight, it was "get rolled over by the hivemind because trying to put together a PUG with AD is akin to herding cats with another cat or bust"

serenenightmare · August 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

And honestly, I've lost count of how many times AD has come up against the Purple alliance or hell JUST DC only to have the entire map turned blue or mostly blue and slightly red.

If they're "Zerg everything and AOE spam until the enemy is dead or we crash the server" tactic is being finally outsmarted. They can take their dresses and sticks and their butthurt elsewhere.

Thornblade has been no where near full blue, ever.

Krinaman · August 2014

I guess the only saving grace is that it's blatantly obvious that the current system doesn't work. Which should hopefully result in some changes.

RedTalon · August 2014

Basically hate to say this, but basically the only purpose with AD now the offical winners of this campaign is to farm ap by any means and rise your alliance rank to get more skill points and gear.

So don't expect people to play nice.

Columba · August 2014

because it annoys ep? That's the only reason to play. Not to win, but to annoy both enemies.

Columba · August 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

And honestly, I've lost count of how many times AD has come up against the Purple alliance or hell JUST DC only to have the entire map turned blue or mostly blue and slightly red.

If they're "Zerg everything and AOE spam until the enemy is dead or we crash the server" tactic is being finally outsmarted. They can take their dresses and sticks and their butthurt elsewhere.

lol an AD complaining about exploits. Imaginary intentional server crashing. get that tinfoil hat. Let's ignore the gliching through the DC gates.

Dleatherus · August 2014

serenenightmare wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

And honestly, I've lost count of how many times AD has come up against the Purple alliance or hell JUST DC only to have the entire map turned blue or mostly blue and slightly red.

If they're "Zerg everything and AOE spam until the enemy is dead or we crash the server" tactic is being finally outsmarted. They can take their dresses and sticks and their butthurt elsewhere.

Thornblade has been no where near full blue, ever.

then this map of Thornblade taken today at 5:30pm PST is what?

part of the normal ebb and flow of AvAvA

D.

WraithAzraiel · August 2014

serenenightmare wrote: »

Thornblade has been no where near full blue, ever.

I've never seen the Blue Icon on the population screen anything other than a lock.

Or wait better yet, I'm supposed to chock up the reason you have 12 keeps right now to what? Superior tactics? More like multiple zerg balls (to include those guesting in on AD alts to drop troll camps) coordinating on a voice server, all wearing dresses and wielding either destro/resto staves or destro OR resto/sword+board.

WraithAzraiel · August 2014

Columba wrote: »

lol an AD complaining about exploits. Imaginary intentional server crashing. get that tinfoil hat. Let's ignore the gliching through the DC gates.

It's not an exploit, it's just poor sportsmanship. "Hay gaiz, lets all rock the same gearset and build and run through areas spamming abilities and HOPE to hit something....OOOPS we broke the server again TEHE"

The glitching through the gate was handled appropriately, the individuals were banned and shunned. DC seems to celebrate their cookiecutter shennanigans and encourage it.

Let's not forget the incessant troll camping.