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I am currently using this build, managed to push it to 550 by acquiring my vr 12 spelldamage rings finnaly. With all the necessary buffs (testing without any buffs nor ultimates) and the evil hunter ability you should be able to do some nice dps to kill valariel. Going to test it out tonight if I can reach the minimum 700 dps.

550 dps seems way off... I'll have to check out that NB build.

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Yes.

I use Hunding's Rage 5-piece, Twilight's Embrace 3/4 piece, and the Ophidian jewelry/bow set as a two-piece (I'll be upgrading to 3 shortly). In general, as long as I can stay close to the boss, I do. I make sure that Focused Attacks is always up, and I spam Rapid Strikes. If Surprise Attack falls off, I re-apply it. When the boss gets to low health, I usually switch to bow and start spamming Impale and Poison Injection as much as possible.

Do you have any dps numbers on that? Spamming rapid strikes without cancelling heavy attacks doesn't sound very effective to me.

I don't use DPS meters, and I don't plan to. This isn't WoW, and I hate math. And I don't do animation canceling because I'm against using a programming glitch as though it's a "mechanic."

What I do know is that when I hit bosses, they go down a lot faster than when I'm not hitting them, and I know that my build has been helping my guilds through timed trials (no, before you ask, not everyone else is wearing light armor and wielding staves there). I've also completed all my VR Crypt of Hearts achievements, so again, please spare me the "You must be getting carried," arguments. They're boring.

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I don't use DPS meters, and I don't plan to. This isn't WoW, and I hate math. And I don't do animation canceling because I'm against using a programming glitch as though it's a "mechanic."

What I do know is that when I hit bosses, they go down a lot faster than when I'm not hitting them, and I know that my build has been helping my guilds through timed trials (no, before you ask, not everyone else is wearing light armor and wielding staves there). I've also completed all my VR Crypt of Hearts achievements, so again, please spare me the "You must be getting carried," arguments. They're boring.

Looking at a dps meter is literally clicking one button and looking at a number. That's it. No math involved anywhere.

Also, you are probably getting carried. If this doesn't sit right with you, maybe it would be a good idea to check that one single number to see if it's right.

I'm not here to get in a measuring contest with you. Go ahead and believe whatever you like about my in-game prowess. I really don't care. I've been an asset to my groups for quite some time without a DPS meter, and I plan on continuing to be so.

lathbury wrote: »

I would get a dps meter just for my own piece of mind. Also it encourages you to work harder and perfect your rotation as It highlights any slips.

This game doesn't have rotations, but it does have actual combat mechanics. A DPS meter tells me that you're obsessing over numbers, and that you're probably causing the healers a great deal of concern because you aren't actually paying attention to the fight. That mentality is why people find the Warrior so hard. Very few bosses in this game are meant to be tank-and-spank bosses.

Jixjax wrote: »

So... back on topic. Any other suggestions? I seem to running up dry on competitive melee builds.

Really?

Last time I try to help anyone...

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Yes.

I use Hunding's Rage 5-piece, Twilight's Embrace 3/4 piece, and the Ophidian jewelry/bow set as a two-piece (I'll be upgrading to 3 shortly). In general, as long as I can stay close to the boss, I do. I make sure that Focused Attacks is always up, and I spam Rapid Strikes. If Surprise Attack falls off, I re-apply it. When the boss gets to low health, I usually switch to bow and start spamming Impale and Poison Injection as much as possible.

Do you have any dps numbers on that? Spamming rapid strikes without cancelling heavy attacks doesn't sound very effective to me.

I don't use DPS meters, and I don't plan to. This isn't WoW, and I hate math. And I don't do animation canceling because I'm against using a programming glitch as though it's a "mechanic."

What I do know is that when I hit bosses, they go down a lot faster than when I'm not hitting them, and I know that my build has been helping my guilds through timed trials (no, before you ask, not everyone else is wearing light armor and wielding staves there). I've also completed all my VR Crypt of Hearts achievements, so again, please spare me the "You must be getting carried," arguments. They're boring.

@nerevarine1138
I'm getting fed up of you making posts I'm forced to agree with...lol

DPS meters... GET A LIFE ! If the Boss/Mob goes down and you're still standing that's a 'WIN' ! ! ! (and I don't need a damn meter to tell me that)

"Competitive", not really, but viable yes. I've seen dual wield or 2h users pull 1k or so on AA fights. Compared to a good staff dk or nb dot build of 1.7k-2.0k+ by a skilled player, it just isn't there, but then again 99.9% of people don't pull that kind of dps anyway and it's far in excess of what's needed to clear the trials well above their dps checks.

lathbury wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Yes.

I use Hunding's Rage 5-piece, Twilight's Embrace 3/4 piece, and the Ophidian jewelry/bow set as a two-piece (I'll be upgrading to 3 shortly). In general, as long as I can stay close to the boss, I do. I make sure that Focused Attacks is always up, and I spam Rapid Strikes. If Surprise Attack falls off, I re-apply it. When the boss gets to low health, I usually switch to bow and start spamming Impale and Poison Injection as much as possible.

Do you have any dps numbers on that? Spamming rapid strikes without cancelling heavy attacks doesn't sound very effective to me.

I don't use DPS meters, and I don't plan to. This isn't WoW, and I hate math. And I don't do animation canceling because I'm against using a programming glitch as though it's a "mechanic."

What I do know is that when I hit bosses, they go down a lot faster than when I'm not hitting them, and I know that my build has been helping my guilds through timed trials (no, before you ask, not everyone else is wearing light armor and wielding staves there). I've also completed all my VR Crypt of Hearts achievements, so again, please spare me the "You must be getting carried," arguments. They're boring.

@nerevarine1138
I'm getting fed up of you making posts I'm forced to agree with...lol

DPS meters... GET A LIFE ! If the Boss/Mob goes down and you're still standing that's a 'WIN' ! ! ! (and I don't need a damn meter to tell me that)

And when it doesn't? When you meet a boss with a dps check/enrage mechanic that you don't clear?
As for running with a dps meter causing the healers consternation just lol. It seems to me you are scared of finding out the truth that actually after all your talk you may have been carried. If not where's the harm and to be clear I don't run mine all the time just when I'm testing new gear or altering my rotation. Eso doesn't have rotations you say again I disagree. Every dps I know that competes in trials uses there skills in a set order to gain maximum benefit from each skill.

There are very few bosses with a true enrage mechanic.

And as I said, I'm not interested in measuring contests. Not going to play that game. You're welcome to engage in schoolyard insults all you want. Any DPS with half a brain in this game doesn't have a rotation. They have effects they keep active on the boss, and main attack abilities they use situationally. Your basic lack of knowledge is enough evidence to me that the DPS meter hasn't done you a lick of good.

This game doesn't have rotations, but it does have actual combat mechanics. A DPS meter tells me that you're obsessing over numbers, and that you're probably causing the healers a great deal of concern because you aren't actually paying attention to the fight. That mentality is why people find the Warrior so hard. Very few bosses in this game are meant to be tank-and-spank bosses.[/quote]

you dont know what dps meter is then. you never have to look at it. it switches on when fight starts and off when combat ends. then you can look at it to see dps or healing etc for that combat period. it resets next combat start. you dont need to look at during the combat unless specifically testing something.

i was feeling like my templar dps was getting good. I finally sucked it up and looked at dps and was sorely wrong. sure i can easily get 2k+ on mobs because of aoe hitting so many but on single target bosses forget about it, still havent found a way to pull more then 500 (not counting when you can use evil hunter). all our best dps moves are really slow, fortunatley they have great utility (which bosses are immune to)and not meant for pure dps; they are great in pvp but bad in trials dps. i know that last paragraph got a little of topic sorry.