Here are several quotes from the other thread on this in General Discussion. When I read stuff like this, I think it's understandable to be upset that my two master enchanters have never got a single Kuta from a hireling in the history of the game, ever.

Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »

I was lucky and got one from mine about every day for a week. XD That was a month or so ago though. I'm still getting them off/on. I know I got one yesterday though.

SpAEkus wrote: »

I got probably 3 Kuta over the week on my 3/3 Hireling...

But the Kuta are still coming at least every few days for me at least.

nudel wrote: »

I get Kuta from the hireling still...a few a week typically.

Ridicularded wrote: »

Yeah, i get either a purple or a gold twice a day

For one character to get zero Kutas during the course of the entire game, while others get a healthy supply like this cannot be put off as bad luck with a random number generator. There has to be some other factor involved. And that I have TWO characters who've never received a Kuta from their hireling, well that just seals things I think. There's definitely a problem somewhere.

A few other people have also said they've never got one either, while many more say they used to, but not for a few months now. There may be more than one factor affecting the problem: People who have never received a Kuta ever, and people who used to but haven't for the last few months.

Sadae wrote: »

For one character to get zero Kutas during the course of the entire game, while others get a healthy supply like this cannot be put off as bad luck with a random number generator. There has to be some other factor involved. And that I have TWO characters who've never received a Kuta from their hireling, well that just seals things I think. There's definitely a problem somewhere.

A few other people have also said they've never got one either, while many more say they used to, but not for a few months now. There may be more than one factor affecting the problem: People who have never received a Kuta ever, and people who used to but haven't for the last few months.

I have done alot of statistics on hireling rewards from my 7 hireling alts during the past months. If you don't have the right skills you will have 0% chance to get Kuta. Mail me ingame for more info.

Simstar wrote: »

I have done alot of statistics on hireling rewards from my 7 hireling alts during the past months. If you don't have the right skills you will have 0% chance to get Kuta. Mail me ingame for more info.

First off, there's nobody in-game with the name @Simstar or just Simstar. Secondly, if you know something we don't, everybody here will want to know, so just post it here please.

@Simstar - Thank you! (I am on the NA server, hence why I couldn't mail you.)

So it seems to be the same problem Potency runes once had. The hirelings bring you the level above where you're at, and when you're at max level they bring you nothing. But in this case it's for "Aspect Improvement".

To help confirm this, is there anybody who has received a gold Kuta from their hireling while their "Aspect Improvement" was maxed out at 4/4? (And please be sure before you respond. No guessing, and be POSITIVE you were at 4/4 when you received a gold Kuta from your hireling.)

Honestly I read stuff like this and just come to the realisation that an awful lot of people don't actually understand probability as a concept.

Sadae wrote: »

I think it's understandable to be upset that my two master enchanters have never got a single Kuta from a hireling in the history of the game, ever.

Yes indeed! And you have now convinced me of this bug. I did not believe it earlier, but I think the following numbers sums up the problem clearly:

1)
@Sadae: Asp improvement 4/4, no kutas for months from 2 hirelings. That's probably ~120+ hireling mails.

@Mujuro: Same thing, Asp improvement 4/4, no kutas for months: ~60+ hireling mails.

My own observations:
@Simstar: Asp improvement 3/4, 11 Kutas gained out of 40 Hireling mails = 28% chance.

Clearly there seem to be an unintended difference between Asp improvement 3/4 and 4/4.

2)
You mention a previous similar bug:

Sadae wrote: »

So it seems to be the same problem Potency runes once had. The hirelings bring you the level above where you're at, and when you're at max level they bring you nothing. But in this case it's for "Aspect Improvement".

Now, a verification of the hypothesis would of course be a rescue-control: If you @Sadae respec'ed to Asp improvement 3/4 and started receiving Kutas. However, the profit made from this will unlikely pay for the respec costs.

@Tallarra - I'm not saying I don't believe you, but could you please post a screenshot of your Enchanting skill tree. Too many times I've seen people mistake something and skewer the facts. Every shred of evidence suggests otherwise. Are you sure your "Aspect Improvement" is 4/4, and that you're not looking at your "Potency Improvement"? (I realize you said you have all passives, but I want to be extra sure.)

If what you say is true, then there must be another factor involved also, but I have no doubt the "Aspect Improvement" level is the key factor in all this.

Simstar wrote: »

Now, a verification of the hypothesis would of course be a rescue-control: If you @Sadae respec'ed to Asp improvement 3/4 and started receiving Kutas. However, the profit made from this will unlikely pay for the respec costs.

The problem with respeccing to 3/4 isn't just the cost, but the fact you can no longer craft gold glyphs after either. But since I have two master crafters, and my alt doesn't have a lot of skill points, I respecced it yesterday. And, I got some rather odd results:

The four deliveries between my two characters yesterday netted me a white, green, blue, and purple Aspect rune. Today however I just got a surprising result: My alt got no aspect rune at all, but my main got a gold Kuta! Yes, my first Kuta ever in the history of the game, and on the character I did NOT respec to 3/4.

I'm not sure what to make of this. The only thing I can hypothesize is that multiple enchanters on the same account somehow affect each other's deliveries, but I still have no doubt whatsoever that the level of "Aspect Improvement" is involved. It's too much of a coincidence that after never receiving a Kuta in the history of the game, I finally get one after respeccing one of my character's "Aspect Improvement" to 3/4. That fact that I respecced one character but got a Kuta from the character I left at 4/4 is the question.

This might explain Tallarra's reults as well. @Tallarra, do you have more then one character with an Enchanting hireling?

Thank you Tallarra!

Tallarra wrote: »

nope i am the only one with any hirelings~

Hmm, well then here's a thought: They just did a hotfix for this during the night!

@Tallarra - Do you recall ever getting a Kuta from your hireling before while your "Aspect Improvement" was at 4/4?

EDIT: lol, and that would explain why the alt I respecced didn't get an Aspect rune at all today. It WOULD have got a Kuta, but didn't since I respecced it to 3/4 yesterday. (Asssuming they did in fact do a hotfix during the night.)

Simstar wrote: »

Sadae wrote: »

First off, there's nobody in-game with the name @Simstar or just Simstar.

Strange! As that is my account exactly. - But perhaps we are on different serves. I play the EU server.

Sadae wrote: »

Secondly, if you know something we don't, everybody here will want to know, so just post it here please.

As you wish!
I'll here spend a little time and share my results with you. Please note that this is my personal experiences only. I can't answer for the game mechanics or why you in particular may get other results or be in bad luck. I share these results with good intent.

I'll just submit here the latest results from the past month, as older data may be unrelevant due to game changes.

These are the Aspect rune statistics from 79 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3 Pot 1/9, Asp 1/4

Ta: 13%
Jejota: 10%
Denata: 13%
Rekuta: 0%
Kuta: 0%

These are the Aspect rune statistics from 81 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3 Pot 2/9, Asp 2/4

Ta: 10%
Jejota: 7%
Denata: 22%
Rekuta: 19%
Kuta: 0%

These are the Aspect rune statistics from 40 hireling mails with the following skills:
Hireling 2/3 Pot 4-5/9, Asp 3/4

Ta: 5%
Jejota: 10%
Denata: 20%
Rekuta: 15%
Kuta: 28%

The obvious conclusion is, that the drop of the rarer apsect runes highly depends on aspect improvement. You need aspect improvement lvl 2 for Rekuta and atleast lvl 3 for Kuta. Without it your chances are 0%.

The assumption bolded above is wrong.

I received a Kuta this week with an Aspect level of only 2.

Well as far as I'm concerned at this point, they either did a hotfix during the night, or else they've got some really messed up code concerning Enchanting hirelings and the loot they bring.

There's zero doubt that skills and at what levels, and also having multiple Enchanters on the same account, can affect things. Even if I ignored all other evidence from other players, the fact that both my master Enchanters never got a Kuta ever, and then suddenly my main gets one the day after I respec my alt's "Aspect Improvement" to 3/4 is far too much coincidence for me.

And some people getting several a week while others get none at all is too much to believe it's just bad luck with random rolls. That's like saying that over the course of several months, 90% of the people can flip heads or tails twice a day and get random results, but the other 10% of the people will roll nothing but heads the entire time. Sorry, but that just ain't gunna happen!

The developers need to examine all the code pertaining to this and make sure things are happening as they should.

K.
Like many I complained that I hadnt receive a single Kuta from 3 hirelings since last patch, and thought there was some kind of bug ...
There is ..
I did a respec taking advantange of the low cost, I dropped "Aspec extraction"
Today I took it back, first delivery; bingo ! One Kuta from the hireling with aspect extraction ...

Got a second one right now, second in a row after month w/o
So either they did a stealth fix or aspect extraction is a must. Too much of a coincidence to be due to rng (At least after last patch ... hence the possible bug ...)
I had aspect improvment 4/4 before droping extraction and I was receiving Kuta, I have improvment 4/4 now ..

Sadae wrote: »

Oh, Vanzen's comment reminded me that I did one other change also. I did up "Aspect Extraction" all the way to 3/3 on my main. Waste of 3 skill points, but I was trying to see if anything would change the results (even though they shouldn't, but it's obvious the code is messed up). So I don't know if it was that change, the respec on my alt, or a hotfix that finally gave me my first Kuta ever.

I have received one Kuta in the last several weeks and I don't have any points in Aspect Extraction. However, after that I have not received any.. not on any characters. Something in the code is causing an "if this, then that" type of RNG I believe and that's why a large amount of people are reporting problems with this. However, still no acknowledgement from ZOS --- hopefully they are silently looking at this and not ignoring it as it's worth looking into at the very least!

Epona222 wrote: »

Honestly I read stuff like this and just come to the realisation that an awful lot of people don't actually understand probability as a concept.

This.

I have two enchanting hirelings.
One on my main, vr3, Enchanting 20, only enchanting skill points in hireling (2/3) and as far as I can tell, her hireling only brings Potency and Essence runes.

Alt: level 40, Enchanting level 40, maxed out on all enchanting passives other than Keen Eye. Her hireling brings one rune of each kind and I have received at least one Kuta in the last week (I honestly don't pay that much attention.)

Ya, "Aspect Extraction" is definitely affecting whether some people get Kutas from their hirelings or not. The other thread on this topic confirms it as well. I guess that's finally what did it for me too. I got so caught up in the "Aspect Improvement" thing that I had completely forgot I also did up "Aspect Extraction" also until Vanzen mentioned it.

ZOS, you need to look into this. "Aspect Extraction" may not be the trigger for everybody, but it's definitely affecting results for many people. This passive should have nothing to do with hireling deliveries whatsoever, but it is. It may be part of a larger problem, but that's all the more reason this needs looking into.