Deleted, as in removed, gone, poofies. Thanks ZOS.....

TehMagnus · August 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

"Play as you want" does not equate to making poor build decisions.

This should be ZOS's new moto.

liquid_wolf · August 2014

Only two possibilities exist:
You deleted your character and you quit the game.
or
You didn't delete your character and are still playing.

You can respec all the skill points you have... so there is no reason to delete your main. Stop playing him? Yes. Create a new character? Sure.

Unless you are quitting the game.

If you rerolled, then you wouldn't delete him. He would make a useful mule/bank for the new character you played.

So this is an "I Quit" thread, or a lie.

In either case it should be locked.

LtCrunch · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor. Turns out what I was 'supposed to do' was a majika build as most things I used wanted majika, not stam. Then I found out that bows suck badly. Medium armor is like wearing toilet paper, and nothing I did worked.

I chose to become a werewolf. That turned out to be a complete waste of skill points on something that was a horribly thought out concept that after several months ZOS is completely ignoring. Another wrong choice I made.

At 48 I attempted to do those annoying solo quests again, all of which are grey to me. Tried the sancre tor quest, I died 5x trying that. I tried the fighters guild quest, died 4x, and some arena tournament quest, where I died 6x.

I tried playing other ways, and yes, when I turned to a popular build that everyone uses for my NB, I rocked, I was able to kill things, I could survive. But that's NOT MY STYLE OF PLAY. I hated it and the abilities.

So as a result of wanting to play MY way, I can't complete the game or advance beyond 48. I am not happy. Just insert here a TON of really bad language directed toward ZOS. I mean just think of the absolute WORST you can dream up and that's what im saying right now to ZOS and their design staff.

Funny, my NB is at VR12 and has been specced as many different builds throughout the leveling process. Tank, stealthy archer, blood mage, dual wield, two hander, healer. All of it has been viable. Stamina or not the builds were fun and effective.

Were all of them optimal? Definitely not but not every build is going to be optimal. You can play the way you want just fine, but that doesn't mean your build will be able to compete with the most optimized build(s) out there created by people who had months of time to theorycraft on the PTS before launch.

The game has it's balance issues and stamina does still need its buffs when it comes to sustained damage output. That being said the only time you "have" to be a build that wears a dress and wields a stick is if you're a bleeding edge player and want to compete for the best times possible to get on to the trial leaderboards.

If you're not a bleeding edge player focused on being part of the best of the best progression groups then prentty much any build you can think up is viable.

Just an FYI I have all weapon skill lines at level 40+, all NB skill lines at 50, all armor skill lines at 50 and have the fighter's guild amd mage's guild skill lines maxed out. NB is one of the more versatile classes in the game honestly.

Welka · August 2014

Just my 2 cents... I have a DK stamina build full medium armor with bow and DW, and near since the beginning.

I know am V9 and all the quests are pretty easy and I can solo everything apart from group content.

Yes, stamina builds are lacking and worse off. Yes it is harder but still easy. And ESO is my first MMO...

Sorry to say but if you can't complete gray quests and come here with a flaming useless post to insult ZOS and blame them for your incompetence, all you get from me is:

lol and L2P

Goodbye

Srugzal · August 2014

commander_vaas wrote: »

I hate how people complain about games that are to hard so it ruins it for them, games should be impossible to complete so only the best people can get the best gear. This game is way to easy

True. 90% of the players should never make it out of Wailing Prison.

/sarcasm

Srugzal · August 2014

EliteZ wrote: »

£100 says he didn't even delete the character, instead he died X times and rage quit to the character creation screen, clicked DELETE typed in "DELETE" swore a few times, then came here to try and act as "cool" as he felt when he had the idea to delete his character. His prob playing said character right this second, probably still dying because he makes poor choices and blames the game for his own mistakes.

On the other hand, I'm sure everybody at ZoS is crying and have quit their jobs now knowing you pretended to delete your character. GG good sir.

On topic, I don't have a NB that high lvl so I can't completely speak about it, however I have been playing a DK (which is 49 atm) and was able to do All fighters guild quests (apart from one, forgot the name) and main story quests without dying once. Actually no, I died on the fight before Manimarco, but that was due to a fault of my own. While I know people say DK's are stronger then a NB, but surely the class can't be that bad that you can't do a quest 8 lvls higher.

Yes they said "Play how you want to", but take that with a pinch of salt. I might want to play the game naked with no abilities and only a single dagger for dps, would I get very far? No.

There's no reason to mock the OP, no matter how over the top his post might seem to you. He has as much right to vent as the next person. And no, you don't have a right to mock him for it.

I would say, though, that dying 6 times sounds like a good beginning. I've died 20-30 times before finishing some fights along the way up the leveling mountain. Persistence like that isn't always necessary, but it helps. Perhaps I was a little slow to learn. Whatever. The game does force certain combat/skill mechanics on you, and if you're not willing to adapt to them, things might indeed prove to be impossible.

I'd recommend to the OP that he start over with a similar build in a different alliance, and take your time. The game is evolving around you, I'll bet those same fights will get easier for you.

I know one thing. Now that I've fought my way through the difficulties of this game, I absolutely KILL at first person shooters. Like I said, there's something to be said for persistence.

Zorrashi · August 2014

...Dude....can't finish grey quests? Can't play as a NB? Can't play as a stamina based build?

I'll have you know, sir, that I am NB, Stamina based character who has so far maxed out her dual wielding and medium armor. I am now working with heavy armor and two handed and you know what? I'm still progressing!

It may not be optimal, but so far I have done anything but rely on dress and stick when I play on my main.

I mean, you....you just...almost any combination you had would have been adequate for progressing in the game, its not like you were stuck. Did you truly feel so stuck in the mud in this game? Enough just throw out your main that you already worked to at least lvl 40?

Man, I though I would never say this but...L2P....

Zebug · August 2014

I wanna play my way, I'm a lover not a fighter so why can't I kill things just using healing spells...its my way right?

kids are so spoiled (and god I hope dude is a kid and not an adult).

I finally went and rolled a stamina based dual wield NB to see what all the impossible was all about. I'm only level 12 for now so nowhere near hard content, but I don't even think I got hit once yet by a PVE mob and I'm loving it so far. Take that back, the big snake in the Bad Man group public dungeon area hit me a couple times.

daneyulebub17_ESO · August 2014

Play your way, yeah, right!

Where's my damn light saber?????

/rage quit

SenselessNoise · August 2014

I sailed through content on my NB with just bows. When I hit VR1, though, the issues with stam builds really showed. I couldn't take packs of 3-5 on my own very easily. My sustained dps is lower than my destro staff sorc at 45, though thanks to stealth and Focused Aim I can almost three-shot anything my level. The problem is that in prolonged fights, or those with roll dodge mechanics, you really eat away at your primary resource. That's the problem I have.

If attacking with staves used magika or stam, you'd probably see consistent dps across all classes.

darkdruidssb14_ESO · August 2014

Hmm the only thing I am upset about with their "Play it your way" theme is that I can't change classes and just keep my 1 character. You can respec everything else.. become a vampire and decide you don't want it... you can remove it.. decide you want it again.. get bit again... same with werewolf, but your class is set in stone from character creation. That is odd.

Anyway, enjoying my time coming back to ESO from WildStar. Already had a VR1 Sorcerer and VR1 Templar on EP before I left for WildStar. Since my guild died here I decided to roll DC as a Nightblade and haven't regretted it so far. Love the class and enjoying the updates to the game has received.

DenverRalphy · August 2014

darkdruidssb14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm the only thing I am upset about with their "Play it your way" theme is that I can't change classes and just keep my 1 character. You can respec everything else.. become a vampire and decide you don't want it... you can remove it.. decide you want it again.. get bit again... same with werewolf, but your class is set in stone from character creation. That is odd.

Anyway, enjoying my time coming back to ESO from WildStar. Already had a VR1 Sorcerer and VR1 Templar on EP before I left for WildStar. Since my guild died here I decided to roll DC as a Nightblade and haven't regretted it so far. Love the class and enjoying the updates to the game has received.

Actually, I'd argue the opposite. Become a Vampire and then decide later you don't want it? The solution should be an challenging arduous quest that takes a while to get rid of it. I'm not a big fan of being able to simply pay pocket change to a priest to remove it. Decisions should matter more than they already do.

Khami · August 2014

I wonder how much of his problem with his NB is he's not wearing the right gear. I don't mean medium armor, I mean sets and their bonuses.

Not all sets are created equal.

My main is a VR12 NB. I dumped the bow when I was VR7 after I notice how poorly the bow does in vet dungeons. I'm now using restro/destro staff and light armor.

The bow is a bad PvE weapon. It works wonderfully in PvP.

The best stam builds that function well in vet group content are either 2H or DW.

Just by changing sets, my dps went up over 150 points on average in trials.

To complain about being unable to complete things in Coldharbour with the bow is nonsense. I completed all the VR zones before the nerf and the bow was fine until I started doing vet dungeons.

Gix · August 2014

I don't know what's the problem about NB with bow. I was level 45 shooting things in 2-3 hits in Veteran Rank 1 areas.

Mark, Poison Arrow, Snipe, Shadow Cloak, Veiled Strike.

That's how I normally run although some times I replace Mark with Agony depending on the situation.

I'm level 50 now with 15/10/24 (magicka/health/stam) and I can kill things in 1 hit (particularly enemy casters). It's not the best in PvP but I found a way to contribute.

Like many have said before me, "Playing the way you want" also implies that you live with the consequences of your decisions. If you want to be a stubborn, that's your loss... but that's, essentially, the way you want it.

You can blame Zenimax for the really poor balancing, but whenever or not you succeed is up to you.

Hurbster · August 2014

Did you (the OP) at least have your bow tricked out to give you back whatever stat you needed on each hit ?

ThisOnePosts · August 2014

Again, don't play Nightblade if you are expecting easy mode. My main NB has a medium set of armor and a light/heavy mixed set. It's for two different purposes. Medium is viable, I also do the hybrid thing with my attribute points for THAT character as I use a mixture of weapon and magicka based abilities. I have tweaked my attributes once just to reduce the overkill on stamina after doing lots of testing and finding out what I needed. I use DW/Bow unless I am running Trials (unless it's a specific group I run with which is good enough to not need everyone running Destro).

Werewolf, sure it isn't great atm but fyi, Vamp is much more in tune with a NB than WW is. Sure you can use either for either, but this is my experience after trying both first hand. There will be fixes to WW, it's just not a priority now and I don't blame them nor is it a game-breaker for me.

If you find Medium armor to be like toilet paper and a Bow to be weak... you are DOING IT WRONG. I know, because I 1st hand have a VR12 NB and did all content Solo other than Group Dungeons, Trials, and 4-man Craglorn quests. I have completed EVERY QUEST in this entire game and I did so before the nerf to VR mobs!!!!! In fact the most play-time I had in a row was when they doubled the VR Mobs health and they were 1-shotting most people, because I LOVED that challenge and had a blast and couldn't put the game down.

Nightblade is not the class for you. You want to play stealthy, but apparently you don't want everything else that comes along with it including the learning curve which is far higher than any other class (I have now almost 3 VR12's, my 4th will be Templar as I want to experience all classes and in doing so I realize how much bullcrap most of the forum rantings are thus far).

Venereous44 · August 2014

I gotta say.. ZOS is responsive as hell... this thread is a good example.

VlVEC · August 2014

I love your determination to be grouchy at Zenimax for your choices and lack of skill.

Black_Wolf88 · August 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

EliteZ wrote: »

£100 says he didn't even delete the character, instead he died X times and rage quit to the character creation screen, clicked DELETE typed in "DELETE" swore a few times, then came here to try and act as "cool" as he felt when he had the idea to delete his character. His prob playing said character right this second, probably still dying because he makes poor choices and blames the game for his own mistakes.

On the other hand, I'm sure everybody at ZoS is crying and have quit their jobs now knowing you pretended to delete your character. GG good sir.

On topic, I don't have a NB that high lvl so I can't completely speak about it, however I have been playing a DK (which is 49 atm) and was able to do All fighters guild quests (apart from one, forgot the name) and main story quests without dying once. Actually no, I died on the fight before Manimarco, but that was due to a fault of my own. While I know people say DK's are stronger then a NB, but surely the class can't be that bad that you can't do a quest 8 lvls higher.

Yes they said "Play how you want to", but take that with a pinch of salt. I might want to play the game naked with no abilities and only a single dagger for dps, would I get very far? No.

There's no reason to mock the OP, no matter how over the top his post might seem to you. He has as much right to vent as the next person. And no, you don't have a right to mock him for it.

I would say, though, that dying 6 times sounds like a good beginning. I've died 20-30 times before finishing some fights along the way up the leveling mountain. Persistence like that isn't always necessary, but it helps. Perhaps I was a little slow to learn. Whatever. The game does force certain combat/skill mechanics on you, and if you're not willing to adapt to them, things might indeed prove to be impossible.

I'd recommend to the OP that he start over with a similar build in a different alliance, and take your time. The game is evolving around you, I'll bet those same fights will get easier for you.

I know one thing. Now that I've fought my way through the difficulties of this game, I absolutely KILL at first person shooters. Like I said, there's something to be said for persistence.

@EliteZ , I think you havent read much of the previous pages. back in june he had a thread with 3 pages of tip and advice for builds and more to help with the quests he mention in the OP.by the look of it he didnt take any of them or didnt like that he had to use different tactics or skills to complete something. and now he delete his character and complains that its too difficult....its basically rage quit and raging and blaming ZOS for his own incompetence.

Venereous44 · August 2014

VlVEC wrote: »

I love your determination to be grouchy at Zenimax for your choices and lack of skill.

If you're talking about me... I meant that.. they seem to be on top of this forum for sure.

DenverRalphy · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

I gotta say.. ZOS is responsive as hell... this thread is a good example.

Really not quite sure which direction you're going with this.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · August 2014

I never thought I would say this, but the OP needs to take some of the advice we are trying to give here -- to put it bluntly, "L2P". Find a friendly guild to get help with your play style, or just experiment to learn on your own. The game is nowhere near as difficult as you think it is, you are just playing it wrong. I am pretty sure there is a way of playing the game in PvE that feels like "your way".

Fights in ESO are different from some other MMOs in that you need to move around a lot, especially if you want to keep your distance and use a bow. Unlike games like Skyrim where you can just pick any weapon and do nothing but left-click in a fight, you also need to use your abilities to control the fight, heal up and deal more damage. If you don't make good use of what you have in your toolbox, your character is useless in a fight. That goes for any class, any weapon. You simply must use a combination of weapon attacks and skills.

It's not as if it's an easy ride to play a NB using a bow in PvE, but it's definitely possible. In VR zones I have to use CC to handle 3-mob groups, or pop the very nice and reasonably low cost Soul Tether ultimate on them. It charges up pretty quickly, and I can use it a couple of times in a drawn-out fight. I sometimes sneak around some large groups because I know they can be lethal, but I can deal with them if I have to.

Focusing on single targets, I can solo many overworld and public dungeon bosses, sneak and dodge away from most melee damage, block and outheal most ranged and spell damage, and generally feel like I'm doing things right even while using a bow. When I pull more than one target, I am often pretty dependent on Siphoning Strikes, but that's one of the nice tools available to the class, and I use it. A typical PvE fight has me taking minimal damage, doing decent but not stellar damage with the bow and a few abilities, and self-healing for way more than I get hurt.

In summary, the NB is a fun class to play with a bow, nowhere near as difficult as the OP suggests. I don't expect to stay safe in the shadows for the entire fight like I can in some single player RPGs (Oblivion, Fallout, Skyrim, I'm looking at you), but the game was designed not to allow that, for good reasons.

Bows are also getting a buff soon. I think I will stick with my bow for some time.

Ragefist · August 2014

It is very sad that OP didnt make it to VR content before it was dumbed down for people like him.

Can you imagine the nerdrage if he did see the real VR as it was at launch?

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs · August 2014

What are you taking about? After 3 vet characters i made this nightblade, its the strongest ive played i would even call it OP!

NB bow,duel rocks!

Mondo · August 2014

Dear TO you can play as you want but it must not be the best way

Uisi · August 2014

inspiral1 wrote: »

What are you taking about? After 3 vet characters i made this nightblade, its the strongest ive played i would even call it OP!

NB bow,duel rocks!

No, no, nooo, now they know

, i feel a nerf hammer coming! (*)

darkdruidssb14_ESO · August 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

darkdruidssb14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm the only thing I am upset about with their "Play it your way" theme is that I can't change classes and just keep my 1 character. You can respec everything else.. become a vampire and decide you don't want it... you can remove it.. decide you want it again.. get bit again... same with werewolf, but your class is set in stone from character creation. That is odd.

Anyway, enjoying my time coming back to ESO from WildStar. Already had a VR1 Sorcerer and VR1 Templar on EP before I left for WildStar. Since my guild died here I decided to roll DC as a Nightblade and haven't regretted it so far. Love the class and enjoying the updates to the game has received.

Actually, I'd argue the opposite. Become a Vampire and then decide later you don't want it? The solution should be an challenging arduous quest that takes a while to get rid of it. I'm not a big fan of being able to simply pay pocket change to a priest to remove it. Decisions should matter more than they already do.

Well I'm not saying that it has to be easy, but the option should be there. They could make it all quest driven that has challenge if they wanted. I would be ok with that as well. More options doesn't necessarily mean the game has to be dumbed down.

fredarbonab14_ESO · August 2014

"I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. " Your way is what exactly, do as you please? Because of your pompous arrogant attitude, you get no pity from me. Tough if you don't like - good riddance.

P.S. I thought 'I quit' posts were not going to be allowed; this one is a waste of space.

Brizz · August 2014

Ya! Nightblades suck, buff Nightblades!!

Melian · August 2014

Huh, at 48 my stealthy DW/bow NB was well into veteran content. Maybe they aren't viable for trials, but they're certainly more than adequate for solo content!

Oh, wait, you wanted to use magicka abilities but refused to stack magicka? I don't think that's what "play how you want" means. That's kind of like "well, I WANT to shoot in the complete opposite direction and still hit the mobs, why can't I play like I want"?