PlagueMonk wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I could add to that list with Zenimax's inability to bring the NB class up to DK/Soc lvls (while still nerfing the NB class ironically)

Hmm, NBs are one of the most sought after classes in the game for Trials, along w/ DKs atm.

While I would also love to see some fixes to NBs (I have 2 of them currently), it's a little silly to say that ZOS hasn't done anything to bring them up to speed.

Life is pretty good for NBs right now.

If you're talking specifically about stamina-based NBs, that's definitely not a NB-only issue.

Maybe I need to clarify.......a melee/DW NB and not a skirt wearing resto staff NB is in need of help. In my experience, DK and Sorc are all that the high end groups want for that high AoE DPS.

As a NB I cannot stand toe to toe with either a Sorc or DK. If I don't surprise kill them in the first 2-3 secs they will pull of a few simple maneuvers to negate most of my attacks.

Trying to play a NB as the class was described is at best challenging and often times infuriating.

Again, none of your issues are specific to NBs. They are issues w/ stamina-based builds in general.

A high-end group that doesn't want a Destro / Resto NB is probably not nearly as "high-end" as they think they are. But that's not what we're talking about, is it? What you're talking about is the failure of stamina builds to keep up w/ magicka-based ones.

After all, Sorcs don't have any sort of amazing AoE baked into their class. They are spamming Impulse just like you are able to. In fact, NB AoE is every bit as great (better, imo) than a Sorc any day of the week.

One of my NBs is stamina-based w/ dual 2 handers. The other is a dual resto-staff wielder in light armor. They are both extremely fun to play, but the resto NB is far and away more efficient.

I also have 2 Sorcs; one is a DW / 2h stamina-based Sorc, the other is a more traditional dual Destro staff magicka-based Sorc. The magicka-based Sorc is, again, far more efficient at DPS.

NBs themselves are in a good place, and will be even better when certain abilities are fixed.

Stamina-based ANYTHING, outside of ganking people in Cyrodiil, is the issue.

So if you want changes, REAL changes, stop asking for NB buffs and start asking for buffs to stamina weapons and builds. THEN you can have your DW rogue archetype character. Otherwise, you're just asking them to make Nightstaves even better.

As I figured, you are talking about skirt and staff using NBs which I was not. I am referring to the NB SPECIFIC SKILLS. Our NB skills lack a decent AoE, Sorc and DK can out DPS us, we have virtually no group CC, what individual CC we have is easily negated with a roll out (and in PvE bosses are now immune to ALL our CC abilities), we have to split our damage between spell and weapon because our few necessary NB skills (like TS and devour soul) are spell based, and I could continue but will stop there.

Sure, I could pick up a staff and wear a skirt and use the few good NB skills as utility while doing most of my damage by staff but that is NOT the type of NB I signed up for. I'm a 70% magicka, 30% stamina based Assassin/DW NB amd am not wanted in high end groups.

So trying to play a NB AS DESCRIBED (i.e. being a med armor single target stealthy assassin) is the problem and is not being addressed. (and yes, part of that is stamina but not completely). The traditional NB is NOT in a "good" place. sorry.

1) NB has much better AoE than Sorc does, w/ Drain Essence morphs + the usual AoE weapon abilities. Add to that the fact that Sorc doesn't get a good AoE Ultimate, while NB gets awesome Ultimate generation and one of the best AoE ultimates in the game. Sorc does not out-dps NB, but LA users will out-dps stamina builds all day long. Built equally, NB pulls ahead of Sorc currently.

2) You are NOT talking about NB specific skills, because staff NBs are still using NB-specific skills and doing fine. You are talking about melee-specific stamina builds.

3) You are not wanted by high end groups because they are supposedly high-end groups, and you have chosen to play a sub-par build. Welcome to PvE. Hop into a casual group and you'll be fine.

4) Every single class ability in the game is spell damage based and scales w/ Magicka, so I'm not even sure what you're on about for "splitting between spell and weapon". If you focus on a weapon, then focus on stamina and weapon damage. If you are split 70% magicka / 30% stamina while getting most of your damage from weapons, you're doing it wrong. Sorry, but you are.

But make no mistake, NBs are not in some kind of especially terrible situation that other classes aren't when it comes to having to make that choice. Every class has to choose whether to hybridize or focus on magicka or stamina. All of them.

5) There is no such thing as a "traditional NB". I don't care what anyone told you, or what you assumed because you saw a picture of 1 NB in the art who looked like an assassin.

I'll repeat that: There is no such thing as a "traditional" NB. There are only NBs and how you choose to build them, period.

So the CLASS is in a good spot no matter what special rules and stipulations you may want to try to saddle the debate w/. Stamina builds in general need work.

But sure, keep on begging for more NB buffs. It will just make my Restoblade even stronger.

/shrug

Varicite wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I could add to that list with Zenimax's inability to bring the NB class up to DK/Soc lvls (while still nerfing the NB class ironically)

Hmm, NBs are one of the most sought after classes in the game for Trials, along w/ DKs atm.

While I would also love to see some fixes to NBs (I have 2 of them currently), it's a little silly to say that ZOS hasn't done anything to bring them up to speed.

Life is pretty good for NBs right now.

If you're talking specifically about stamina-based NBs, that's definitely not a NB-only issue.

Maybe I need to clarify.......a melee/DW NB and not a skirt wearing resto staff NB is in need of help. In my experience, DK and Sorc are all that the high end groups want for that high AoE DPS.

As a NB I cannot stand toe to toe with either a Sorc or DK. If I don't surprise kill them in the first 2-3 secs they will pull of a few simple maneuvers to negate most of my attacks.

Trying to play a NB as the class was described is at best challenging and often times infuriating.

Again, none of your issues are specific to NBs. They are issues w/ stamina-based builds in general.

A high-end group that doesn't want a Destro / Resto NB is probably not nearly as "high-end" as they think they are. But that's not what we're talking about, is it? What you're talking about is the failure of stamina builds to keep up w/ magicka-based ones.

After all, Sorcs don't have any sort of amazing AoE baked into their class. They are spamming Impulse just like you are able to. In fact, NB AoE is every bit as great (better, imo) than a Sorc any day of the week.

One of my NBs is stamina-based w/ dual 2 handers. The other is a dual resto-staff wielder in light armor. They are both extremely fun to play, but the resto NB is far and away more efficient.

I also have 2 Sorcs; one is a DW / 2h stamina-based Sorc, the other is a more traditional dual Destro staff magicka-based Sorc. The magicka-based Sorc is, again, far more efficient at DPS.

NBs themselves are in a good place, and will be even better when certain abilities are fixed.

Stamina-based ANYTHING, outside of ganking people in Cyrodiil, is the issue.

So if you want changes, REAL changes, stop asking for NB buffs and start asking for buffs to stamina weapons and builds. THEN you can have your DW rogue archetype character. Otherwise, you're just asking them to make Nightstaves even better.

My issue with nightblade stems from the broken and ignored mechanics of the class abilities. Specifically the fact that you cannot get the crit bonus off of shadowy disguise if you use it while you are in stealth. That means you have to leave stealth and then use the ability. Second problem is that if an enemy has a DoT then you cannot stay in invisibility for the duration which hampers melee combat with them. These are class specific bugs that need to be addressed not ignored.

Vizier wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I could add to that list with Zenimax's inability to bring the NB class up to DK/Soc lvls (while still nerfing the NB class ironically)

Hmm, NBs are one of the most sought after classes in the game for Trials, along w/ DKs atm.

While I would also love to see some fixes to NBs (I have 2 of them currently), it's a little silly to say that ZOS hasn't done anything to bring them up to speed.

Life is pretty good for NBs right now.

If you're talking specifically about stamina-based NBs, that's definitely not a NB-only issue.

Maybe I need to clarify.......a melee/DW NB and not a skirt wearing resto staff NB is in need of help. In my experience, DK and Sorc are all that the high end groups want for that high AoE DPS.

As a NB I cannot stand toe to toe with either a Sorc or DK. If I don't surprise kill them in the first 2-3 secs they will pull of a few simple maneuvers to negate most of my attacks.

Trying to play a NB as the class was described is at best challenging and often times infuriating.

Have to agree with @PlagueMonk here. NB may be ok for PVE but it's crap for PvP. If they fixed shadowcloak to actually WTF make the NB disappear and freaking stay unseen for 2.5 seconds that would be a nice start. As is for the magicka expended it should trump magelight and actually remove the multiple dots it's supposed to when morphed.

Fix that one thing and 90% of NB QQ would disappear.

Neither morph works as described. It's complete BS that they don't make this a priority. It's a class defining skill and for most of us it's the first one we take. Imagine if the sorcerer's pets randomly didn't show up or if the templar's healing actually caused damage to the party instead, or if the DK's fiery grip just pushed it's target back. You can bet that those would be fixed post haste.

I would appreciate at least some communication from Zenimax about when they might address the following issues or at least where they are in the fix priority/cue:

Heavy/medium armor that is viable compared to light
Stamina builds
Bow (or are the 1.4 changes really the fix?)
and the one I am really waiting on: Werewolf fixes

Varicite wrote: »

PS) I'm not sure why you would want the 70% crit bonus when you are already stealthed. Attacks made from stealth technically cannot "crit", but they receive the "sneak attack bonus" which is basically an even bigger crit w/ a 100% chance.

Of course, the caveat to that is that it needs to be an ability that receives the sneak attack bonus, so no AoE, etc.

I actually was not aware that's how the stealth bonus worked. Perhaps it's not really that big of a deal.

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I could add to that list with Zenimax's inability to bring the NB class up to DK/Soc lvls (while still nerfing the NB class ironically)

Hmm, NBs are one of the most sought after classes in the game for Trials, along w/ DKs atm.

While I would also love to see some fixes to NBs (I have 2 of them currently), it's a little silly to say that ZOS hasn't done anything to bring them up to speed.

Life is pretty good for NBs right now.

If you're talking specifically about stamina-based NBs, that's definitely not a NB-only issue.

Maybe I need to clarify.......a melee/DW NB and not a skirt wearing resto staff NB is in need of help. In my experience, DK and Sorc are all that the high end groups want for that high AoE DPS.

As a NB I cannot stand toe to toe with either a Sorc or DK. If I don't surprise kill them in the first 2-3 secs they will pull of a few simple maneuvers to negate most of my attacks.

Trying to play a NB as the class was described is at best challenging and often times infuriating.

Again, none of your issues are specific to NBs. They are issues w/ stamina-based builds in general.

A high-end group that doesn't want a Destro / Resto NB is probably not nearly as "high-end" as they think they are. But that's not what we're talking about, is it? What you're talking about is the failure of stamina builds to keep up w/ magicka-based ones.

After all, Sorcs don't have any sort of amazing AoE baked into their class. They are spamming Impulse just like you are able to. In fact, NB AoE is every bit as great (better, imo) than a Sorc any day of the week.

One of my NBs is stamina-based w/ dual 2 handers. The other is a dual resto-staff wielder in light armor. They are both extremely fun to play, but the resto NB is far and away more efficient.

I also have 2 Sorcs; one is a DW / 2h stamina-based Sorc, the other is a more traditional dual Destro staff magicka-based Sorc. The magicka-based Sorc is, again, far more efficient at DPS.

NBs themselves are in a good place, and will be even better when certain abilities are fixed.

Stamina-based ANYTHING, outside of ganking people in Cyrodiil, is the issue.

So if you want changes, REAL changes, stop asking for NB buffs and start asking for buffs to stamina weapons and builds. THEN you can have your DW rogue archetype character. Otherwise, you're just asking them to make Nightstaves even better.

As I figured, you are talking about skirt and staff using NBs which I was not. I am referring to the NB SPECIFIC SKILLS. Our NB skills lack a decent AoE, Sorc and DK can out DPS us, we have virtually no group CC, what individual CC we have is easily negated with a roll out (and in PvE bosses are now immune to ALL our CC abilities), we have to split our damage between spell and weapon because our few necessary NB skills (like TS and devour soul) are spell based, and I could continue but will stop there.

Sure, I could pick up a staff and wear a skirt and use the few good NB skills as utility while doing most of my damage by staff but that is NOT the type of NB I signed up for. I'm a 70% magicka, 30% stamina based Assassin/DW NB amd am not wanted in high end groups.

So trying to play a NB AS DESCRIBED (i.e. being a med armor single target stealthy assassin) is the problem and is not being addressed. (and yes, part of that is stamina but not completely). The traditional NB is NOT in a "good" place. sorry.

That's not even mentioning that our one defensive spell is a flipping joke compared the MANY that the other three classes get. Blur is practically useless as it is now. Why couldn't they make it a toggle instead of a crappy 20 seconds. Sorcerers get a full set of on demand heavy armor and we get a slight increase to our dodge? And what about siphoning strikes?? We lose 25% of our damage for a very small magicka and stamina gain which I find myself forced to use constantly because if I attempt to take out a group of mobs with my class abilities I WILL run out of magicka or come very nearly close to. Our AoE's are crap damage. Sure they have utility, but they don't even come close to DK. And fear, our one CC we have only effects 2 targets and lasts 4 seconds. And don't even get me started on our "pet".

Blur is mostly a tanking skill.

Siphoning Strikes is one of the better abilities in the game for a stamina user, tbh. You do realize that because of the way that damage is calculated, it's actually only an 11% (Siphoning is a 22% spell damage / weapon damage decrease at max rank) debuff.

You definitely aren't losing 25% of your damage.

Nobody's AoE comes close to a DK, unfortunately. But NB AoE is 2nd best among all of the classes, so I'm not sure what you're on about here.

Also, you do realize that there is a whole other morph to fear (Manifestation) that isn't limited to 2 targets, right? Or the fact that Mass Hysteria is the only unblockable CC in the entire game, making it the best CC in Cyrodiil?

And maybe you should have gotten started on the "pet", since it's one of the best PvP skills in the game currently. Both morphs are awesome in Cyrodiil for the amazing utility they provide. It won't tank for you, sure, but it reduces damage (which stacks w/ Veil of Blades), depletes stamina for opponents who hold down block (moreso w/ Dark Shades), or lets you teleport to safety (Shadowy Image).

There are some broken abilities like Dark Cloak and some passives that need to be fixed, but the majority of this post is just based on misinformation. I'd probably be mad too if I didn't understand how my class worked. < . <

Varicite wrote: »

Blur is mostly a tanking skill.

Siphoning Strikes is one of the better abilities in the game for a stamina user, tbh. You do realize that because of the way that damage is calculated, it's actually only an 11% (Siphoning is a 22% spell damage / weapon damage decrease at max rank) debuff.

You definitely aren't losing 25% of your damage.

Nobody's AoE comes close to a DK, unfortunately. But NB AoE is 2nd best among all of the classes, so I'm not sure what you're on about here.

Also, you do realize that there is a whole other morph to fear (Manifestation) that isn't limited to 2 targets, right? Or the fact that Mass Hysteria is the only unblockable CC in the entire game, making it the best CC in Cyrodiil?

And maybe you should have gotten started on the "pet", since it's one of the best PvP skills in the game currently. Both morphs are awesome in Cyrodiil for the amazing utility they provide. It won't tank for you, sure, but it reduces damage (which stacks w/ Veil of Blades), depletes stamina for opponents who hold down block (moreso w/ Dark Shades), or lets you teleport to safety (Shadowy Image).

There are some broken abilities like Dark Cloak and some passives that need to be fixed, but the majority of this post is just based on misinformation. I'd probably be mad too if I didn't understand how my class worked. < . <

But you have to admit, the survivability of NB really isn't up to par with either DK or Templars ( IDK about sorcs so no comment). Whether this is by design or just a lack of balance, I'm not sure. I don't see how VoB is that great in Cyrodil since everyone moves out of it (in my experience). And cloak is buggy as hell, works one time and the next you're visible for no apparent reason (has happened in PvE and PvP for me).

Edit: My quoting skills need work >.<

I don't know. The friends I group with most of the time are mostly NBs, as is my main. They are mostly Bow/DW NBs and I am mostly a Bow/Resto NB, and we seem to be doing ok. In fact, when I took my sorc to PvP last night, I was having a harder time than I usually do.

I think the concept of the NB as the assassin from the shadows that has to kill the target before they know what's happening is pretty much in character for the class.

If you are facing a group, you have to strategize, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

I have recently gotten the Shade ability and it is very nifty.

Super_Sonico wrote: »

Tendeep wrote: »

I am tired of complaining about the direction of this game ...

Then stop complaining. It's that simple. Go play the game and find a way to enjoy it or QQ. It's really not that hard. If you can't find something to enjoy about it, why are you spending the money on it every month?

Funny you should ask... I don't anymore, sadly was a 6 month sucker, but that will run out soon ;-)

Deluged wrote: »

Developers, listen to what is being said by the "majority" of subscribers.

You are not the majority. There has been polls already, and they show an overwhelming support for where this is going. Most people don't even go on the forums, they are ingame playing.

Sorry you don't like it. I hope you find a game you enjoy.

Nestor wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

As a NB I cannot stand toe to toe with either a Sorc or DK. If I don't surprise kill them in the first 2-3 secs they will pull of a few simple maneuvers to negate most of my attacks.

Trying to play a NB as the class was described is at best challenging and often times infuriating.

NB's are not supposed to stand toe to toe with a Sorc or a DK. They are supposed to hide in the shadows and pounce for a one shot kill, or near one sot kill. That is what my NB is now doing (MA 1H/S no secondary weapon ATM). Prior to the last patch, he kept his butt home by the Forge (he is my Blacksmither also) because he was too weak or limited in resources to fight in the game. Now, he is effective. I may even switch him into DW, but I need to build up a secondary combat skill first (all other combat skills are less than 10 on this guy, well, Bow is 15), and the Character is VR1

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I understand your line of thought, but I will say to you -- almost the exact opposite has been stated in many, many threads in these forums. Ergo something along the lines of -- "oh NB? They used magic in the 'real' ES games ya know...and by the way, stop trying to be a paper tiger here -- EVERYONE SHOULD BE HYBRID-ING IT UP (*except lA wearers who primarily use magicka for their builds of course"

MORE STAM REGEN ZOS, AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT: MORE MAGICKA REGEN FOR OUR TEMPLAR DPS BRO'S and SISTA'S!

Tendeep wrote: »

Round 1 goes to Tendeep ;-)

I get it. You had to find another game to play since you quit, so now you play Forum Warrior - The Game.
Well good luck with that. I'll be playing ESO.

Tendeep wrote: »

bearclawmcbainb16_ESO wrote: »

Tendeep wrote: »

Round 1 goes to Tendeep ;-)

I get it. You had to find another game to play since you quit, so now you play Forum Warrior - The Game.
Well good luck with that. I'll be playing ESO.

Why so against core game mechanic fixes?

I would state what I am playing, but I think that is against ZOS TOS lol

Why am I still here? Well ***, I guess because I like to argue.

I think you pretty much conceded exactly what he was saying, though.

Round 2 goes to @bearclawmcbainb16_ESO‌ : P

Varicite wrote: »

Tendeep wrote: »

bearclawmcbainb16_ESO wrote: »

Tendeep wrote: »

Round 1 goes to Tendeep ;-)

I get it. You had to find another game to play since you quit, so now you play Forum Warrior - The Game.
Well good luck with that. I'll be playing ESO.

Why so against core game mechanic fixes?

I would state what I am playing, but I think that is against ZOS TOS lol

Why am I still here? Well ***, I guess because I like to argue.

I think you pretty much conceded exactly what he was saying, though.

Round 2 goes to @bearclawmcbainb16_ESO‌ : P

Since this has devolved into nothing but a pi**ing match, nobody cares any more, and everybody has gone home. @bearclawmcbainb16_ESO‌, you and I are probably the only one's left, and I'm leaving. Do you need a lift someplace? ;-)

Varicite wrote: »

1) NB has much better AoE than Sorc does, w/ Drain Essence morphs + the usual AoE weapon abilities. Add to that the fact that Sorc doesn't get a good AoE Ultimate, while NB gets awesome Ultimate generation and one of the best AoE ultimates in the game. Sorc does not out-dps NB, but LA users will out-dps stamina builds all day long. Built equally, NB pulls ahead of Sorc currently.

Ah yes the engineering solution.

While it looks good on paper, by the time I have used drain essence and then tried to use say whirling blades, I am laying dead on the ground due to PBAoE spam from all those I just hit.

A single step attack from multiple users will almost ALWAYS win over a trying to pull of a two step attack. It may work on the rare occasion but in the chaos of mass combat rare is not worth the investment (imho)

2) You are NOT talking about NB specific skills, because staff NBs are still using NB-specific skills and doing fine. You are talking about melee-specific stamina builds.

Nope, talking about NB skills. We do have a few good gems (which you staff/skirt users use) but they are lost within a mire of near useless or hopelessly broken skills.

3) You are not wanted by high end groups because they are supposedly high-end groups, and you have chosen to play a sub-par build. Welcome to PvE. Hop into a casual group and you'll be fine.

So I either jump on board and play a staff wielding caster or forget it? Talk about your lame excuse.

And while it may be a sub-optimal build (you know, playing the class as it was DESCRIBED) I like playing the stealthy assassin type. If I had wanted to play a pseudo Sorc I would have PICKED a Sorc to play.

4) Every single class ability in the game is spell damage based and scales w/ Magicka, so I'm not even sure what you're on about for "splitting between spell and weapon". If you focus on a weapon, then focus on stamina and weapon damage. If you are split 70% magicka / 30% stamina while getting most of your damage from weapons, you're doing it wrong. Sorry, but you are.

But make no mistake, NBs are not in some kind of especially terrible situation that other classes aren't when it comes to having to make that choice. Every class has to choose whether to hybridize or focus on magicka or stamina. All of them.

You need to do your research because this is false. For NB's, any NB ability that is within melee range (<7 meters) utilizes your weapon damage. Any ranged ability (>7 meters) utilizes spell damage.

If it was as you say then I shouldn't be wielding weapons as a NB. If you can't see how flawed that logic is then you are beyond rationality.

5) There is no such thing as a "traditional NB". I don't care what anyone told you, or what you assumed because you saw a picture of 1 NB in the art who looked like an assassin.

I'll repeat that: There is no such thing as a "traditional" NB. There are only NBs and how you choose to build them, period.

The NB base class is designed around the rogue concept of a stealthy assassin (just like the DK is a tank, Temp is a healer and Sorc ranged DPS) . Did you even LOOK at the names of the skill trees?

Now you do have many options so play a NON traditional version (which a staff skirt wearer is) but there is a "traditional" view of the class and the reason why I specifically qualified it.

Nestor wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

As a NB I cannot stand toe to toe with either a Sorc or DK. If I don't surprise kill them in the first 2-3 secs they will pull of a few simple maneuvers to negate most of my attacks.

Trying to play a NB as the class was described is at best challenging and often times infuriating.

NB's are not supposed to stand toe to toe with a Sorc or a DK. They are supposed to hide in the shadows and pounce for a one shot kill, or near one sot kill. That is what my NB is now doing (MA 1H/S no secondary weapon ATM). Prior to the last patch, he kept his butt home by the Forge (he is my Blacksmither also) because he was too weak or limited in resources to fight in the game. Now, he is effective. I may even switch him into DW, but I need to build up a secondary combat skill first (all other combat skills are less than 10 on this guy, well, Bow is 15), and the Character is VR1

lol WHAT? While a Tank type I agree should put NBs at a disadvantage, a caster traditionally should be at the mercy of a DPS class in melee range.

With the way the system works though, NO class should have a distinct advantage over the others but yet NBs don't have the survivability of ANY other class.

Varicite wrote: »

It just riles me up when somebody whines that "NBs are terrible" because they are using daggers and stamina which is simply not optimal right now (and I want fixed just as much as everyone else, I play a lot of melee toons as well).

funny, I never said they were terrible. I used the word "challenging". They are much more difficult to play effectively as a traditional rogue type than a caster running around spamming 2 abilities.

PS) I'm not sure why you would want the 70% crit bonus when you are already stealthed. Attacks made from stealth technically cannot "crit", but they receive the "sneak attack bonus" which is basically an even bigger crit w/ a 100% chance.

Why? Because in COMBAT you don't have 3 secs to enter sneak mode once the initial attack is made. Do you even play a melee NB? Because I'm beginning to believe you really haven't else you would have known the reason.

Varicite wrote: »

Blur is mostly a tanking skill.

A 15% chance to not take damage is a waste of a slot.

Siphoning Strikes is one of the better abilities in the game for a stamina user, tbh. You do realize that because of the way that damage is calculated, it's actually only an 11% (Siphoning is a 22% spell damage / weapon damage decrease at max rank) debuff.

You definitely aren't losing 25% of your damage.

Rank 4 : weapon and spell damage reduced by 22%.

Pretty straightforward and my stats with siphoning on and off demonstrate the reduced damage exactly.

Nobody's AoE comes close to a DK, unfortunately. But NB AoE is 2nd best among all of the classes, so I'm not sure what you're on about here.

Also, you do realize that there is a whole other morph to fear (Manifestation) that isn't limited to 2 targets, right? Or the fact that Mass Hysteria is the only unblockable CC in the entire game, making it the best CC in Cyrodiil?

And maybe you should have gotten started on the "pet", since it's one of the best PvP skills in the game currently. Both morphs are awesome in Cyrodiil for the amazing utility they provide. It won't tank for you, sure, but it reduces damage (which stacks w/ Veil of Blades), depletes stamina for opponents who hold down block (moreso w/ Dark Shades), or lets you teleport to safety (Shadowy Image).

If they were so great I would see them used all the time in PvP but <acts shocked here> I have yet to see either ability used a single time