Will you cancel your subscription if the VR14 change is launched?

Rammi · August 2014

Yes

Exarch wrote: »

Rammi wrote: »

ZOS created a wonderful experience up until VR levels. Then they got lazy and created a gear centric grind that removed any focus around the journey and made it a race to get gear not evolve with the ride.

I have always maintained that progression kills great experiences as if people are gated from something or they are expected to do something that is not pleasurable to get to that experience well then it ruins the experience.

The easiest way i can get this across is instead of going through the whole process of adding two new VR levels, which includes scaling bosses, scaling gear, QA everything to make sure it works. why not spend the same effort on new public dungeons and getting imperial city out the door, you know actual experiences that players can enjoy.

Its a pretty simple answer and it evolves time and money! They want to make more money for the least amount of effort on their part and gear grinds and level caps are how you achieve that.

You really think they sat in some design review meeting early this year and someone said "Well, those time and resource estimates for some amazing end-game system that will last until the expansion without being in any way gear-centric are completely feasible, but it sounds like too much work, let's do something easier so we can all go home early"? They only make more money if they attract new customers, you think their marketing department got the market research back and said "Hey, forget that shiny new content, what will totally get people who weren't interested before to buy the game is two new levels at the cap"?

I'll be the first to acknowledge that software development can be an odd business, but it is generally run as a business; high-level design decisions usually aren't banged out half-assed because someone wanted to go to lunch early.

You missed my point entirely, They made the choice to feed us something to say they did something because they would rather have us think we are getting something cool by adding a new bar to watch than do the right thing. The reality is we live in a crazy world where the pace of consumption for entertainment has never been higher and the ability to provide it is hard. So ZOS like many others look for filler like adding new VR levels to hang on to subs to the detriment of the game.

You could argue that either way they are screwed and will loose player and I would agree with you but at least what I'm advocating along with others is that if they left the VR stuff as is and still came out with everything else they would be better off in the long run as people would have a much wider pool of end game to deal without the feeling of logging in and feeling they have to reach a certain level before they can partake in said new content.

@Csub‌ As I mentioned, this in isolation was not why I'm canceling but the cherry on top. Stam builds, more grinds without any horizontal progression and bugs are other reasons why I'm leaving.

Thankfully ArchAge comes out soon!

Braddass · August 2014

Yes

I di not like the fact that they seem to be going to WoW route of catering to the hardcore raiders (at the expense of 95% of their playerbase).

suelothvar · August 2014

No

level rises havn't made me quit in past 20 years, wont make me quit now. Level rise and new gear is the norm of the mmo, complaining about it is like complaining it gets dark every day.

All the boo hoo, I will need new gear is comical, how boring would an mporg be if you played it 3-4 months then never needed to get new gear till day servers shut.

Artis · August 2014

Undecided

They really add new ranks too fast. I'm SO disappointed, that I will never do trials on actual difficulty, since I haven't even reached VR12(barely got vr10). And that's my first chat, I just don't grind. I do quests and don't play 24/7, because I have other things to do

Ghostbane · August 2014

DDuke wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

It sucks butt that they've raised the levels for a gear perspective. Although, it would not be so bad if your bound gear became unbound as soon as you leveled past it. You could need perhaps sell it on.

And no one would buy it.

Why? Simple, they'll rather just spend a day leveling & get VR14 gear.

I can agree with you there. But I was referring to the minority that hate grinding. Also, 'by selling', I'd never mean we'd get the 'proper' value for them. No chance

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shiva7663 · August 2014

No

Due to my slow all-eight-characters play-style, I doubt max level will have any effect on me for quite some time.

DDuke · August 2014

Undecided

Audigy wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

It's an MMO. You're never going to be at the end. Deal with it.

That's a paradox.

In most MMOs you'll be doing end-game content once you're finished leveling, so in a way you're at "the end", but then an expansion comes out with a new leveling period, so you're no longer at the end.

The difference is, most MMOs release these big expansions/patches yearly, and they contain much, much more content than Craglorn.

Big expansions yes, but every time a new raid tier is added you must start from scratch.

I don't understand why this seems to be fine for some but actual new content wont?

At WOW you have three months to finish a raid tier, after this amount of time a new raid is released and your current gear becomes worthless. Especially in pvp this is a big issue, I hated that but also at PVE you will notice quite fast that you are no longer done but at the start again.

But its not all about items its also about content becoming obsolete. At WOW trying to do a raid or dungeon from the start of the expansion is impossible once the second tier is out. You simply put wont find anyone to run that dungeon with you, as its worthless.

With the VR system this wont happen as the content is level content and this everyone has to do. So if you are VR 10 in a year then you will still have people playing with you so that you can do Craglorn

That is simply not true.

Back in the days I played WoW (vanilla/TBC), you pretty much had to get Tier 1 gear to even have a shot at Tier 2 (BWL). Gear never became worthless, not until TBC was launched (which is when the level grind continued). You also had guilds running Molten Core just to get the gear to advance further in BWL. Also, it took the first guild 3 months (if I recall correctly) to clear Molten Core. Three months. In ESO Trials were cleared on the PTS, but this is off-topic.

Vanilla and TBC yes, but Blizzard changed this system with WOTLK.

I know very well what it meant to get items at Vanilla we worked our butts off at MC too, when we had our gear we could move on to BWL etc.

This however was because of specific boni on the set pieces, mainly resistances. You also had to kill dragons for AQ resistance gear etc.

Such a system however is very "newbie" unfriendly. It was incredible hard to find people for your guild that stood inside Naxx as there was no catch up system.

It was a double edged sword so to speak. Content stayed current at any time, but it also was very hard to find people for your guild especially in the later tier.

Didn't they start bleeding subscribers shortly after that change? I quit mid-TBC due to real life stuff. I wonder if it's just coincidence...

I think the problem with that system could have been alleviated by making more content to newbies, which in turn would get them to the level required to do harder content, instead of making the harder content more newbie friendly.

Audigy wrote: »

ZO announced a similar system at Quakecon and this would lead to the same problem that WOW suffers under now.

Therefore I see VR as a way to keep the content current at all times. In future and this is my hope, those VR levels will gate content so that people who are VR 10 will do Craglorn and not just go to a vendor and buy Craglorn gear so that they can skip it.

If this is how it will work out? I don't know, its just what I hope.

I would hate a system where you can just buy the gear as well.

If it had multiple layers, like you had the hardest content (say, Tier 3), previous one (Tier 2), and Tier 1 was buyable, maybe that would be fine. Just throwing some ideas around

About the VR system keeping content relevant, I don't see that happening unless they give a damn good reason for people to do lower level content at higher level.

Stonesthrow · August 2014

No

Maverick827 wrote: »

It's starting to appear more and more like those who are upset are end-game players with legendary equipment and those who aren't are casuals who are still leveling up and who won't lose anything.

Casuals… that make up way more of the player base and keep the game alive with their subscriptions. Probably.

I'm not casual and not Hardcore endgame go go go…

I play the game 3-4 hours a day and more on the weekend… I'm VR12 and just getting into trials and the like. I have a few pieces of Legendary VR12, I get it, it sucks to have to redo your gear… but to QUIT THE GAME because of this is just silly, per the OP Poll.

Maverick827 · August 2014

Yes

deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

What's another MMO that has increased the level cap twice and forced their players to replace end game gear three times in a four month period?

Gear is just gear, yes you can make it shiny and great, but in the end that's all it is. Yes if you just spent everything you had to get a full set of Legendary Armor then hey more power to you, but 2 more lvls will hardly effect the stats on the armor that much. Only if you're a min/max player will you be angry at this. If I want to work on getting a new set of armor or weapon I'll work towards it because I want to play the game and I have fun doing it. Maybe I can try something different now, or maybe I could make the same thing point is no matter what gear can always change or be changed.

As for changing the lvl cap so quickly and rapidly, idk, I've only played 4 mmo's and none of them have as much as ESO, actually none have period so in all of those other MMO's I'm sitting at max rank bored with nothing else to do except do more grind, and more grinds to maybe get some type of rare drop or lvl up a different type of skill or something because I have nothing else to do in them.

I have no problems with what they're doing because at least they're giving me something to do and make me want to play the game. I don't see how that can be a problem.

I'd like to know which MMOs you've played that don't have as much as ESO's meager content.

deathmasterl_ESO · August 2014

No

Maverick827 wrote: »

]I'd like to know which MMOs you've played that don't have as much as ESO's meager content.

When you have almost 4000 hours spent on an MMO you start to run out of stuff to do, just saying...

Bazzakrak · August 2014

No

Nope will not quit over something as small as what is mentioned.

And I would hope, and laugh very hard, if Zos went through this thread, took all the accounts that voted yes and closed them when the update came out, since they said they would leave

jelliedsoup · August 2014

No

I don't want the increased level as I don't power level.

Maverick827 · August 2014

Yes

deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

]I'd like to know which MMOs you've played that don't have as much as ESO's meager content.

When you have almost 4000 hours spent on an MMO you start to run out of stuff to do, just saying...

That does not support your original statement that ESO has more content than other MMOs.

DogFaceInBananaPatch · August 2014

No

Gigglesnort wrote: »

"DogFaceInBananaPatch" I like the Steve Martin reference

A @Gigglesnort would get the reference. ~laughs~

Mambo dogface to the banana patch was too long.

TRIP233 · August 2014

No

VR14 was mistakenly announced when Vet 12 went live. All of the Vet 12 glyphs that you can by from the NPC's ALL said Vet 12-14. We've known about Vet 14 for a long time now.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Madval · August 2014

No

Of course no, it's fabulous. But goodbye then.

GnatB · August 2014

No

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. If all you want out of this game is player skill based PvP, then not only did you manage to pick the wrong game, but you somehow manage to pick the entire wrong genre. This is supposed to be an RPG. Which means, by definition, it's supposed to be all about character abilities not player abilities. And the characters abilities are usually determined in some fashion by their level. And, since this is an MMO RPG, the cap on said level will keep going up.

So, buh bye. Maybe you should send a petition to EA to get them to work on a fantasy themed version of Battlefield. (which would rock)

P.S. How did the first 50 + 12 levels somehow fail to hammer home the fact that this game doesn't have pure player skill based PvP?

arkansas_ESO · August 2014

Undecided

Honestly, I'm a bit worried about how often they're raising the level cap. Raising the cap a decent amount twice within the first 5 or 6 months isn't a good thing for an MMO to do, and, quite honestly, it's really annoying. I don't really see people crafting anything above purple in quality after this, because you'll only get maybe a month or two's use out of it anyways.

Artemiisia · August 2014

No

for the 11% that said yes, remember to send me your stuff, ill keep it in a safe space

phreatophile · August 2014

No

I for one (of probably many) am fine with the VR14 change. It's bugged me a lot knowing that I'm gaining nothing for my efforts until debut of the the "Champion System" because I'm at VR 12.

There will be some form of VR level to Champion Points exchange rate, and I'd rather get 14 Vet ranks worth than 12 Vet Ranks worth. If I understand correctly, Champion points is an open ended (or close to it)progression that they claim will take a very long time to max. Without this I'd most likely shelve my VR12 character and activate a storage alt for something to do.

Vannor · August 2014

No

Have already cancelled. I had high hopes for this game (same as I did for AoC, Warhammer, Rift etc) but as good as the graphics are the gameplay is lacking. Most of my guild are going back to WoW for the new expansion.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

No

I get the frustration, but not something worth quitting over.

Smiteye · August 2014

No

CANCEL!? I just made a six-month purchase since they are making good changes and actively working on the game because of the 1.4 notes.

@Funkhead you must be kidding, it is under a 1 percent change in a few months in character power. Don't make me laugh....

The_Drexill · August 2014

No

I do believe the increases are coming much too fast....

But no. Why would I? This is the nature of an MMO.

Oolou · August 2014

No

Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.

Venereous44 · August 2014

No

If I just blew my wad of draugh earwax on my current armor I could see why people could get miffed... but it would seem that same high level armor should easily carry you to the next level cap giving plenty of time to accumulate more.

Definitely not worth quitting over.

Maverick827 · August 2014

Yes

Oolou wrote: »

Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.

But more is not ahead of you to achieve.

If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.

By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

No

Maverick827 wrote: »

Oolou wrote: »

Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.

But more is not ahead of you to achieve.

If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.

By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.

Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.

Maverick827 · August 2014

Yes

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Oolou wrote: »

Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.

But more is not ahead of you to achieve.

If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.

By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.

Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.

So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

No

Maverick827 wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Oolou wrote: »

Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.

But more is not ahead of you to achieve.

If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.

By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.

Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.

So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?

One can only assume that would be the case like how PVP bags scale to you and loot drops in craglorn... but losing 3 magicka on a warlock ring trait is hardly something I'd nix the set bonus for, even if they don't. That is a mile away from making them "last tier" when you are running around with 2500+ magicka in the first place.