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Will you cancel your subscription if the VR14 change is launched?
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fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Fanboyism at it's finest .. the forums are ALWAYS unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole, but you're quite happy to be highly selective when it suits your argument.DogFaceInBananaPatch wrote: »But all the [upset] people that voted yes are probably all on the forums. So all the votes for Yes is Absolute (so not too many people) and the people voting no is Relative and accurate to the percentage.
Therefore it's really a very [very] small portion of the player base that is upset, which is currently at 25 people total that "claim" they'll quit. ~cheers~
LMFAO.
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nofromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Fanboyism at it's finest .. the forums are ALWAYS unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole, but you're quite happy to be highly selective when it suits your argument.DogFaceInBananaPatch wrote: »But all the [upset] people that voted yes are probably all on the forums. So all the votes for Yes is Absolute (so not too many people) and the people voting no is Relative and accurate to the percentage.
Therefore it's really a very [very] small portion of the player base that is upset, which is currently at 25 people total that "claim" they'll quit. ~cheers~
LMFAO.
Love how when you actually enjoy the game, you're automatically a "Fanboy"
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Potenza✭✭✭✭✭Noj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
I'm saying if 10% left over an issue, that's a lot of players. I'd bet a lot of that is empty threats, but some players voted no and are still at least irritated. This poll doesn't give any indication of how many players dislike the change, but just how many seem to be on the final straw. Irritated players lose interest faster and every single time something changes around here, a significant portion of the players get irritated by it.
I will accept that as your opinion of the matter sir.:)
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DogFaceInBananaPatch✭✭✭✭Nofromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Fanboyism at it's finest .. the forums are ALWAYS unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole, but you're quite happy to be highly selective when it suits your argument.DogFaceInBananaPatch wrote: »But all the [upset] people that voted yes are probably all on the forums. So all the votes for Yes is Absolute (so not too many people) and the people voting no is Relative and accurate to the percentage.
Therefore it's really a very [very] small portion of the player base that is upset, which is currently at 25 people total that "claim" they'll quit. ~cheers~
LMFAO.
...says the user with one thousand more comments than me and been on the forums for only half the time. [again] ~cheers~
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Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesIt's starting to appear more and more like those who are upset are end-game players with legendary equipment and those who aren't are casuals who are still leveling up and who won't lose anything.1 -
Black_Wolf88✭✭✭NoI voted no.
apparently I dont mind the higher vr ranks compared to lots of other ppl here on the forums."The key to immportality is first living a life worth remembering." -Bruce Lee0 -
SharranAes✭✭✭NoIf you're going to get worked up every time the max level increases, or new gear gets into the game, you might as well save yourself the trouble and quit right now...
No point waiting for VR 14 to be launched
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Exarch✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »It's starting to appear more and more like those who are upset are end-game players with legendary equipment and those who aren't are casuals who are still leveling up and who won't lose anything.
That certainly applies to me, but also I enjoy leveling, and consider PvP to be an occasional diversion, so more leveling sounds more fun than more PvP; I wonder if there's a correlation. In addition this is my, let's see, 8th or 9th MMO, and I expect them to change constantly, part of the appeal of MMOs, at least for me, is that they aren't static.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.2 -
Potenza✭✭✭✭✭Noj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.
Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Undecidedj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.
Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!
That 9 out of 10 don't quit over this issue doesn't mean that they are all happy. In fact, if you take a look at the other poll, most of the people are against the VR increase to 14.1 -
Rammi✭✭✭YesIm surprised at the results so far. I have already cancelled as I'm tired of the bugs and the crappy support for stam builds. The addition of a gear grind every 2 months has pushed me over the edge. Im not sure why MMOs do the whole gear grind thing instead of spending time creating great experiences.
I guess its easier to say here go sheep, go get these shiny objects and repeat everything you have been doing for weeks/months and low and behold as this poll shows the sheep follow and ZOS make money.
Until gamers change the developers wont, have fun with Elder Mages online grinding to your hearts content.The Champion System should have rewarded Champion Points based off of achievements and feats earned through excelling at end game content not grinding your life away vs mobs in order to stay competitive. This system is uncreative and is a great example of extremely lazy system design. Yes, you should be embarrassed0 -
Exarch✭✭✭NoIm not sure why MMOs do the whole gear grind thing instead of spending time creating great experiences.
If you know how to consistently create great experiences for a large number of widely divergent players over an indefinite period of time then I urge you to get into the industry, I'll totally play.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.
Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!
That isn't all profit it takes a lot of money to recoup development costs and pay the bills. Also that is 1/10 about one specific change .. there are quite a lot of changes on the horizon. I won't cancel over this but it pushes me that direction, depending on how a few other things play out I'll adapt or move on.1 -
Rammi✭✭✭YesIm not sure why MMOs do the whole gear grind thing instead of spending time creating great experiences.
If you know how to consistently create great experiences for a large number of widely divergent players over an indefinite period of time then I urge you to get into the industry, I'll totally play.
ZOS created a wonderful experience up until VR levels. Then they got lazy and created a gear centric grind that removed any focus around the journey and made it a race to get gear not evolve with the ride.
I have always maintained that progression kills great experiences as if people are gated from something or they are expected to do something that is not pleasurable to get to that experience well then it ruins the experience.
The easiest way i can get this across is instead of going through the whole process of adding two new VR levels, which includes scaling bosses, scaling gear, QA everything to make sure it works. why not spend the same effort on new public dungeons and getting imperial city out the door, you know actual experiences that players can enjoy.
Its a pretty simple answer and it evolves time and money! They want to make more money for the least amount of effort on their part and gear grinds and level caps are how you achieve that.
Edited by Rammi on August 20, 2014 5:08PMThe Champion System should have rewarded Champion Points based off of achievements and feats earned through excelling at end game content not grinding your life away vs mobs in order to stay competitive. This system is uncreative and is a great example of extremely lazy system design. Yes, you should be embarrassed0 -
jrgray93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Noj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.
Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!
That isn't all profit it takes a lot of money to recoup development costs and pay the bills. Also that is 1/10 about one specific change .. there are quite a lot of changes on the horizon. I won't cancel over this but it pushes me that direction, depending on how a few other things play out I'll adapt or move on.
Are you one step closer to the edge and about to break? Huh, Chester?
But seriously. That's what I was trying to say. For some, this is a minor irritant. For others, this is a breaking point after tons and tons and tons of problems from the start. I'm not there yet but a lot of things are bothering me.EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job0 -
Cyberwolffe✭✭✭NoI voted no because I'm a casual enough player that out of 8 characters my highest one is level 15 so I have a long ways to go before I have to worry about the level cap. Plus it's highly doubtful that I'll be doing anything in Craglorn anyway since i don't worry about doing a lot of group stuffEdited by Cyberwolffe on August 20, 2014 5:13PM0 -
Rammi✭✭✭Yesj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.
Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!
That isn't all profit it takes a lot of money to recoup development costs and pay the bills. Also that is 1/10 about one specific change .. there are quite a lot of changes on the horizon. I won't cancel over this but it pushes me that direction, depending on how a few other things play out I'll adapt or move on.
Are you one step closer to the edge and about to break? Huh, Chester?
But seriously. That's what I was trying to say. For some, this is a minor irritant. For others, this is a breaking point after tons and tons and tons of problems from the start. I'm not there yet but a lot of things are bothering me.
This is a good point. This was really the final straw for me in a long list of issues. My primary gripe has always been the ineffective nature of Stamina based builds. The new patch continues to not address this whilst adds something to the game I hate (more grind). I will not even talk about bugs!
So while I'm voting yes here this was really the cherry on top for me.
Edited by Rammi on August 20, 2014 5:11PMThe Champion System should have rewarded Champion Points based off of achievements and feats earned through excelling at end game content not grinding your life away vs mobs in order to stay competitive. This system is uncreative and is a great example of extremely lazy system design. Yes, you should be embarrassed0 -
Potenza✭✭✭✭✭Noj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.
Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!
That 9 out of 10 don't quit over this issue doesn't mean that they are all happy. In fact, if you take a look at the other poll, most of the people are against the VR increase to 14.
This poll is not asking if you are happy. Its asking if you will QUIT because of the change. 9 out of 10 obviously will not.0 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesMaverick827 wrote: »It's starting to appear more and more like those who are upset are end-game players with legendary equipment and those who aren't are casuals who are still leveling up and who won't lose anything.
Ding ding ding. The first time they run COH and spend a couple hours to learn it(may not even finish) and promplty go to a crafting station and break down any items they have will certainly understand.
The main problem with them raising the cap and adding new content is the old content was already irrealevant and massive balance issues still present with armor types and builds. craglorn translated poorly people ignored the Good chalenging content because the rewards were poor and went right to grinding to V12 and right into trials where the rewards were, then promplty left them either because they recieved the gear or did not enjoy the the implementation of a limited res timed Zerg mechanic.Edited by Wifeaggro13 on August 20, 2014 5:20PM1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Undecidedj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »This poll is not asking if you are happy. Its asking if you will QUIT because of the change. 9 out of 10 obviously will not.
Are you talking to yourself?
Edited by DDuke on August 20, 2014 5:18PM1 -
Gigglesnort✭✭✭No"DogFaceInBananaPatch" I like the Steve Martin referenceOIIIIIIIO
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Potenza✭✭✭✭✭Noj.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »This poll is not asking if you are happy. Its asking if you will QUIT because of the change. 9 out of 10 obviously will not.
Are you talking to yourself?
Oh your so funny playing with words ha ha I get it. Don't get out of context - that comment was a reply to another conversation that did not include you.0 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
I have 4 VR characters the highest at VR3, and all three gear crafts plus cooking at 50 .. your theory fails.Maverick827 wrote: »It's starting to appear more and more like those who are upset are end-game players with legendary equipment and those who aren't are casuals who are still leveling up and who won't lose anything.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 20, 2014 5:25PM0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UndecidedYes, and my first reply to you was regarding that conversation, just wanted to clear some misconceptions. Here's the whole comment chain:j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »
1/10 is extremely significant.
Its only significant to the 1 out of 10 - which is a very, very small.
The numbers speak for themselves, you cant say 10% is bigger than it is.
You don't accept the results - I get it.
If there are a million people playing 1/10 is $1.49 million a month, if 500k are playing it is $750,000 a month. Maybe you a a billionaire but if I was ZOS 750k-1.5 million a month would be a significant to me.
Keep 9 out of 10 happy? - Lots of money baby!
That 9 out of 10 don't quit over this issue doesn't mean that they are all happy. In fact, if you take a look at the other poll, most of the people are against the VR increase to 14.
But this is very much off-topic already
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Stonesthrow✭✭✭✭NoHow dare they give me more content, stupid MMO…
A couple more levels and new gear? New Mini-Trial? New half-a-zone? More quests, achieves, mobs, dungeons and loot? New trait and new matts maybe? Those jerks…. the nerve...
I wanted to wait a year before I had to do new stuff. WTF!!!
To think... I could have used up all my gold upgrade materials after they announced the Champion System is coming down the pike and then they reshuffled all the traits on the gear sets. I felt really confident that with Champion a few months away (probably) that the best thing I could do was use up at least a hundred grand in gold on matts to squeeeeeek out those few points of uber leetness. Seemed like the right move, sorry I didn't partake now. And if I had, I could have come to a forum and whined about it. Maybe even quit! Over gear… wow.
That said… I REALLY will have to uber upgrade my new VR14 goodies because that will really be it before Champion goes into play I bet… /facepalm
Where is my Rosin? Where is my Bow? I need to fiddle…
TLDR: To bad, not telling.
@ZOS… Keep up the good work! Looking forward to most of what you have stated is coming.1 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
I do love a well reasoned and thought out opinion .. guess I'll have to look elsewhere for one because this is entirely fatuous.Stonesthrow wrote: »How dare they give me more content, stupid MMO…
A couple more levels and new gear? New Mini-Trial? New half-a-zone? More quests, achieves, mobs, dungeons and loot? New trait and new matts maybe? Those jerks…. the nerve...
I wanted to wait a year before I had to do new stuff. WTF!!!
To think... I could have used up all my gold upgrade materials after they announced the Champion System is coming down the pike and then they reshuffled all the traits on the gear sets. I felt really confident that with Champion a few months away (probably) that the best thing I could do was use up at least a hundred grand in gold on matts to squeeeeeek out those few points of uber leetness. Seemed like the right move, sorry I didn't partake now. And if I had, I could have come to a forum and whined about it. Maybe even quit! Over gear… wow.
That said… I REALLY will have to uber upgrade my new VR14 goodies because that will really be it before Champion goes into play I bet… /facepalm
Where is my Rosin? Where is my Bow? I need to fiddle…
TLDR: To bad, not telling.
@ZOS… Keep up the good work! Looking forward to most of what you have stated is coming.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UndecidedStonesthrow wrote: »How dare they give me more content, stupid MMO…
A couple more levels and new gear? New Mini-Trial? New half-a-zone? More quests, achieves, mobs, dungeons and loot? New trait and new matts maybe? Those jerks…. the nerve...
I wanted to wait a year before I had to do new stuff. WTF!!!
You do realize you can do "new stuff" without having to level up? Just like all the other MMOs where you have to "wait for a year"? Most of them release content every 2-3 months, as well as big expansions once a year or so (which are announced many, many months before) which increase level caps.Stonesthrow wrote: »To think... I could have used up all my gold upgrade materials after they announced the Champion System is coming down the pike and then they reshuffled all the traits on the gear sets. I felt really confident that with Champion a few months away (probably) that the best thing I could do was use up at least a hundred grand in gold on matts to squeeeeeek out those few points of uber leetness. Seemed like the right move, sorry I didn't partake now. And if I had, I could have come to a forum and whined about it. Maybe even quit! Over gear… wow.
Yes, some people play MMOs for the end-game content. Horrifying, I know.Edited by DDuke on August 20, 2014 5:39PM1