Cyberdown wrote: »

Welcome to MMORPG's. This may be your first mmo, but this concept of a creeping level cap is common....

No, MMOs usually expand once or twice a year and raise level cap once or twice a year. It's usually part of major content expansions. And it's usually a chunky 5 or 10 levels.

This game has done it twice in 6 months as a part of patching in content that, arguably, should have been in the game at release but wasn't.

There's a major difference.

Cyberdown wrote: »

Welcome to MMORPG's. This may be your first mmo, but this concept of a creeping level cap is common....

Like has been over and over the way they are doing it here is not common at all. We have interviews with devs saying the vet levels are going away completely, then we have them saying they are staying, then out of nowhere they are going up two levels a few weeks after most of the players just redid all their gear. If there was some reason they were going up I could understand it but I don't even get why they are going up at all, other than they think no one will do their content unless they force it on you.

Muletide wrote: »

cronius77b14_ESO wrote: »

Muletide wrote: »

How dare they give us more content for our money!!!...

dude people are not griping about content troll elsewhere if you actually read what everyone is complaining about its having to grind more VR levels for more gear. People are pissed they are adding this garbage in instead of the champion system first. I think you just want to troll though you obviously havent read any of the complaints. It has ZERO to do with adding content.

Actually yes, I did read the comments... and that's all they were: complaints.

People want to plow through all the content with as little effort as possible to sit at the end stagnantly with their precious gear. (All while complaining that there is no content to do.)

Then some complain that they have to be social while leveling group content in a MMO....

All while complaining about improving gear...

If it were up to all these complainers we'd start the game at level cap with BIS gear.

You think once the Champion system is implemented it was just going to stop at the VR12 equivalent until the end of time?

You are missing the point again. It's not about 'the end of time', it's about enough time. Two months is not enough time. At least 6 months is.

This is an MMO, people should expect gear progression regardless if it's with a lvl cap raise or not. MMO's are progressive changing games, if you're not happy with replacing your gear you really shouldn't be playing an MMO. If you don't want to replace something so expensive, then don't have it, it's the same as in real life. Do I cry every time Samsung bring out a new phone months after I get the latest phone, no? I get over it.

And all the people crying "omg more grind" no, all you have to do to get from V12-V14 is the same thing you're already doing in the game right now.Quit crying, like it's the end of the world, just because your gear won't be the absolute best for a while or you'll loose a some gold or crafting materials on getting the better gear.

EliteZ wrote: »

This is an MMO, people should expect gear progression regardless if it's with a lvl cap raise or not. MMO's are progressive changing games, if you're not happy with replacing your gear you really shouldn't be playing an MMO. If you don't want to replace something so expensive, then don't have it, it's the same as in real life. Do I cry every time Samsung bring out a new phone months after I get the latest phone, no? I get over it.

And all the people crying "omg more grind" no, all you have to do to get from V12-V14 is the same thing you're already doing in the game right now.Quit crying, like it's the end of the world, just because your gear won't be the absolute best for a while or you'll loose a some gold or crafting materials on getting the better gear.

There is a big difference in the traditional gear progression and just adding 2 to the VR number on the gear and saying here is your new gear it now has 6 more armor and 2 more magicka but is exactly the same gear otherwise.

Wow ZOS is trolling hard, they just updated all gears so everybody had to craft another set cause they *** old theorycraft. And now they raise cap to VR14 so everybody have to craft their gear again! WTF

I want you to refund all my wasted legendary mats. I dont want to farm materials all day long again. AMAZING GAMEPLAY. GG ZOS

And I've just resubbed, I wont do same mistake twice.

kitsinni wrote: »

EliteZ wrote: »

This is an MMO, people should expect gear progression regardless if it's with a lvl cap raise or not. MMO's are progressive changing games, if you're not happy with replacing your gear you really shouldn't be playing an MMO. If you don't want to replace something so expensive, then don't have it, it's the same as in real life. Do I cry every time Samsung bring out a new phone months after I get the latest phone, no? I get over it.

And all the people crying "omg more grind" no, all you have to do to get from V12-V14 is the same thing you're already doing in the game right now.Quit crying, like it's the end of the world, just because your gear won't be the absolute best for a while or you'll loose a some gold or crafting materials on getting the better gear.

There is a big difference in the traditional gear progression and just adding 2 to the VR number on the gear and saying here is your new gear it now has 6 more armor and 2 more magicka but is exactly the same gear otherwise.

And? It's still gear progression, is it as steep as WoW? No, so why are you crying so much over 6 armor and 2 magicka? Surely you don't have such low faith in your skill that you NEED 6 armor and 2 magicka. What are you a 12 year old spoilt child who throws a paddy when they see another child in the street with something you don't have.

I know, let's NEVER have progression in the game just because some people get too attached with items made out of pixels that they rage when they have to give it up.

Progression is a way of life, both in real life and in game, get use to it. [/quote]

kitsinni wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Any other MMO adds a 5 level increase once every couple of years. Here I have to grind up a level a month, effectively.

I can't keep doing that. This is probably the one thing that could drive me away.

At WOW you grind item levels, here you grind char levels. Personally I hate item grinds but don't mind if my chars can get stronger by gaining new levels.

If you don't like it then there is an item grinder just around the corner.

I hope that ZO will never stop giving us new goals in the game which are not based on purple items but char development

I am just tired of running after new loot every 2-3 months just to find that exact game becoming worthless with a new patch.

I'm curious how does it having it say VR14 instead of VR12 develop or advance your character at all?

You gain skill points, you gain access to new lore, new books can be found, new achievements are unlocked, new crafting is available and with the champion system we will also be able to invest those points we gather into things like "more crit", "more stamina regen" ...

Here you really develop your char further, at WOW you don't. A brand new level 90 is exactly as strong as a 2 years old level 90. Its all about the items there, not a fun system if you ask me.

As a solo player, I am very disappointed. Just like before, people will find a grind point and drive that into the ground in a few hours. I desperately WANT solo content to do at my own pace. But Zenimax doesn't want me to be able to play my way. They want to force me to conjure a miracle and find a group to do Craglorn content where we are all on the same stage (whose bright idea was it to make group leveling content a quest chain!?).

PvP leveling needs a three fold increase in xp to compete with exp. No excuses.

EliteZ wrote: »

And all the people crying "omg more grind" no, all you have to do to get from V12-V14 is the same thing you're already doing in the game right now.

You mean: "wait for 6 hours to get 3 people to group with you, try enter an instance and find 1-2 of them can't enter because they were at a different quest line step"?

Because this is what I am doing right now, since 2 months.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

You people realize powercreep is really hard to do in a game with Softcaps right?
If you're already hitting softcaps on your stats, going from VR12 to 14 is going to do very little for you.

Hell the the Legendary VR14 weapons are 144 damage..that's such an insanely small difference between VR12 and that....then you factor in its so incredibly easy to softcap your weapon damage in the first place that its nothing.

If you've got legendary Vr12 gear right now, There is zero reason to upgrade your gear after the patch other then your emotional problems of thinking you're going to somehow lose a fight because of that.

Hell I'm using 5 pieces of VR11 gear right now....and i'm still not going to upgrade after the patch...

I guess that is kind of the point isn't it? If the level increase doesn't have any practical application to the game why is it being put in? It seems to me the only reason they are adding it is to get people to do the new Craglorn areas. If the area has merit on its own you don't have to force people to do it they will want to do it.

My only concern on gear is are enchants going to change and am I going to have to get higher enchanting to enchant VR14 gear.

I want a yellow item refund plz. What a waste of time.

Raising the cap twice, 5 months into the game's life, is ridiculous. Everyone JUST upgraded all their gear because the sets and bonuses changed in 1.3. We don't need level caps to go up, we need stuff to do and we need the bugs fixed. PvP is a joke. Cyrodiil is not even playable with the bugs and lag.

I'm at the end of my rope.