VR14 - Seriously?

Soliss · August 2014

With the announcement of the championship system, perhaps we were mislead into thinking that there would be no more VR levels added.

Lo and behold VR14.

What does this mean?

Everyone that thought VR12 would be the cap, now gets to upgrade gear again. The overall difference between VR12 and VR14 will probably be minimal, but if you're not wearing the best gear, you're not wearing the best gear.

Also, more level grinding! Everyone's favorite!

Very disappointed in you, Zenimax!

NorthernFury · August 2014

I'm really hoping the new quest lines are not as spirit-crushing as the ones in lower crag. Trying to find groups on the same step/willing to catch the others up was an incredible waste of time.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2014

It is annoying. I wouldnt mind so much if i actually knew what was going to happen. Then id know what to plan on. But with different quotes from different reps who the hecks knows what they plan on doing.

All i know is if we end up with a system where i have to grind levels and gear every 2 months i wont be playing very long after it hits. Now if vr becomes strickly a number with nothing else behind it, and that is how they gate the seasonal equipment, fine. But i will not grind out levels. And then grind out equipment once i hit the new cap every 2 months.

Aeratus · August 2014

The reason for raising the level cap to v12 is to give a "better feeling of achievement."

I'm not kidding. It's in the patch notes.

In order to provide for new itemization and to ensure a better feeling of achievement in Dragonstar Arena, Sanctum Ophidia, and Upper Craglorn, the maximum Veteran Rank has been increased to 14.

Neizir · August 2014

The Champion System isn't out yet you fool...this is the only way of progression at the moment.

Venereous44 · August 2014

At least they're adding more content... it usually goes hand in hand with increasing the level cap.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Any other MMO adds a 5 level increase once every couple of years. Here I have to grind up a level a month, effectively.

I can't keep doing that. This is probably the one thing that could drive me away.

Habbal · August 2014

I was planning to resub in septermber, but increasing the VR cap again... Are you even serious about that? Hell no, thank you! Just whyyyyyyyy?

Francescolg · August 2014

I'm unhappy to constantly have to upgrade all items, item-sets, etc. until next cap increase. I want to focus on the entertaining aspects of ESO (mostly PvP) and less on gold-farming for better gear. I want to reach a cap and to stay there for several months, not just for about a few weeks..

I do not want constant Level- or VR-increases. Every 6 months would be o.k. but I could perfectly live with a cap raising once a year, or even more seldomly.

First they should focus all ressources (even the guys working on content upgrades, new designs, etc.) to make Cyrondil more playable, stopping or greatly reducing all memory-leak errors, crashes, etc.. that are occuring several times per hour atm to a bunch of players.

Oh, I did not play any quest in Craglorn, I did not go in the new 12 players dungeon and if they keep introducing new content at this rate, I'll simply quit because I do not have the time to play all zones, and, worse, I don't feel right playing to obtain sth. that will be less worth because, in the next month, a better item is coming.

Xnemesis · August 2014

LvLing wont be so bad as long as we can get decent exp from the arena. Id much rather grind the arena with three friends then with a grind group farming

kitsinni · August 2014

It is just a big middle finger from ZOS to the community. They know that the majority of players despise the idea so they are going to stuff it down our throats.

These announcements just leave you in a state of "what is the point of playing now until this comes out". Why bother getting PvP chests when I know the gear will be worthless in a month. Why bother crafting gear when it will be worthless. Why bother running anything when its all going to go right in the garbage.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

the sad thing is I just made a whole new set of armor. I was moving away from crits and stacking spell damage. /sigh

Obscure · August 2014

Neizir wrote: »

The Champion System isn't out yet you fool...this is the only way of progression at the moment.

You mean they lack the ability to just allow you to continue to gain VR points at VR12 without increasing the VR level? Sounds to me like that's just not the case. If they just allowed point gain after VR12 problem solved. Give people a chance to rack up as much VR points as they desire and get but loads of champion points when the conversion hits.

... Makes sense if you don't think about it.

Xnemesis · August 2014

Do the zone quests and play the game as intended and the exp will be easy to come by. It may not happen as fast as if you just did a grind group but at least you will be able to enjoy the game. Im really looking forward to all the new gear.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

I find this to be really silly , do understand that i pretty much only play my main and i got vet12 there , which means my exp is wasted so to speak, still i dont believe we need more VR , we could wait for the champ system.

Xnemesis wrote: »

Do the zone quests and play the game as intended and the exp will be easy to come by. It may not happen as fast as if you just did a grind group but at least you will be able to enjoy the game. Im really looking forward to all the new gear.

I dont play group content of craglorn , heh , there is a higher chance i will join the grind groups than that i would do craglorn quests and so on :P.

Super_Sonico · August 2014

I appreciate an increased level to achieve with the increase in content. It's not a problem at all.

What is a problem is not scaling other things. My for instance is on crafting mats. Before, silverweave (for instance) was VR7-8 and void cloth was VR9-10. When VR12 came out, void cloth was pushed to VR9-12. Now it's going to be VR9-14? That makes silverweave completely useless. They need to rescale silverweave from VR7-9 and void cloth VR10-12, and add a new mat for VR13-14.

If you want to extend the game, then extend the game. Don't just extend the land mass, quest lines, and VR levels without extending all the other mechanisms that go with it. That's just lazy and poor planning.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

SirAndy · August 2014

Soliss wrote: »

Everyone that thought VR12 would be the cap

Why in the world would anyone think VR12 would be the final level cap?

Xeres14 · August 2014

I don't know if increasing the max VR level is a good idea to add end game content. IMO ZO or whomever really needs to consider another avenue to adding end-game content. Because, TBH, adding new levels isn't end-game content. Instead, they're just postponing the end game.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs · August 2014

I LOVE THIS!

Personally i JUST love questing!

This is great news for me and my m8 we just love questing doing the story line together!

Sallington · August 2014

It's temporary until the champion system is released OP, you goofball.

Meiun · August 2014

How about just gating the gear with achievements instead of levels? Why is that so hard? PvP gear is gated... in a sense, can do it easily with an alt currency.

Tavore1138 · August 2014

More group content we won't be able to find groups for, more grind to make sets we had to remake less than a month ago. No new proper PvE content, PvP content so reduced you are lucky to be able to get a slot on a decent campaign.

Most of all no motivation to quest once you hit cap as any xp is wasted and you know you will need it when they go to vr16 in 2 months time.

Seriously wishing I hadn't filled in the solo quests after I hit VR12 'cos now I feel like I am being punished for actually playing the game.

Game design by a mole from WoW trying to kill ESO off?

reften · August 2014

NorthernFury wrote: »

I'm really hoping the new quest lines are not as spirit-crushing as the ones in lower crag. Trying to find groups on the same step/willing to catch the others up was an incredible waste of time.

yep, exactly, not to mention I've done a lot of these quests now at VR12.

Mojomonkeyman · August 2014

If this pace continues I have no reason to pay subscription anymore since I am (again) forced to waste my freetime with gear & level grind instead of being able to focus on things I enjoy.

What insane model is this to raise level cap 2 times within 6 month after release, seriously? This is so bad & disappointing, I`m speechless.

Forced grind is somewhat acceptable in reasonable timeframes, but this crazyness is just too much, sry.

KitLightning · August 2014

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Game design by a mole from WoW trying to kill ESO off?

They are sneaky over there haw

b92303008rwb17_ESO · August 2014

I just don't understand with the champion system coming in probably near future, why bother adding new vet ranks. I don't think new itemization or better feeling of achievement can justify the trouble and grinding once again.

This single feature almost ruins the whole update 4 which actually looks pretty good with all the other nice improvements.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

yet another new trait, new enchantments that only drop in the dragonstar arena, a new trial, a new group zone, more for group pve'rs, and only them.

It's like ZOS catalogues all the player input they get, and then do the opposite of whatever that is.

No other game puts out 2 levels every 2 months. That's ridiculous, you're just leaning down harder on the gear treadmill than any other game, and I am playing this to get away from gear treadmills. I could go back to EQ if I wanted to do that.

reften · August 2014

Xnemesis wrote: »

LvLing wont be so bad as long as we can get decent exp from the arena. Id much rather grind the arena with three friends then with a grind group farming

agree here too...hopefully it's fun, and not insanely hard where only the most elite gamers on the planet can win.

kitsinni · August 2014

I was so close to making an entire gear set yesterday thought I would hold off till today .. at least now I know not to bother.

Wreuntzylla · August 2014

Too many levels too fast.

If they are going to go this fast, they need to severely nerf VR 1-10 so new people aren't priced out of the system aAnd have a mechanism so that gear upgrading isn't so painful every 2 months.

c0rp · August 2014

The problem is that they keep releasing GROUP BASED ZONES but GROUPING IN ESO IS *** TERRIBLE. I mean wtf...how about you FIX GROUPING for quests then release your group based content.

I am not putting up with "what step of this quest are you on?" BS all over again. Nope. Not gonna happen. Not gonna put up with white arrows next to me instead of my friend.