wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

That is a whole 4 levels with no alternative solo friendly option. Don't like that one bit. No objection to any group content but there should also be reasonable alternatives. I can't do much group content because l have some limits on the use of my hands. I cannot deal with fast moving group quests. I need to stop often. As the game is now l am stopped in my tracks at vr10.

Yeap , i also feel like this.

The devs are pretty much telling all PvE player to group or stop playing the game.

Glad that Destiny drops 9/9/14.

Might be time for a cool change.

kherzaheb17_ESO wrote: »

i never seen interesing such a road ahead in MMOs side.

Zenimax will push champion thing but before that they are releasing v14 ? So when people become v14 , you will push champion system and there will be no more v14 .

I cant connect the logical dots here, can you ?

It is seeming like they are going to keep veteran levels but change what type of xp you need to get them from VP to XP. They have said they were getting rid of them and that they were staying, this makes it look like they decided they are staying.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Too many levels too fast.

If they are going to go this fast, they need to severely nerf VR 1-10 so new people aren't priced out of the system aAnd have a mechanism so that gear upgrading isn't so painful every 2 months.

In fact, I don't think they will and have to adopt any of the suggested methods since the champion system is coming sooner or later and my guess is the end of the year.
I suppose they add two more vet ranks in update 4 as some sort of endgame content so those vr12 people will be less bored, just as they said in the patch notes, for the purpose of "new itemization and to ensure a better feeling of achievement. Simply put, higher levels bring better gears, which means a sense of accomplishment.

The only question is that can this purpose served by adding two more temporary vet ranks, probably lasting for only two or three months, justify all the trouble of crafting new gears and grinding. My opinion is ,no. However, if the champion system is put off to 2015, then that is a whole nother story and more vet ranks are probably a necessary evil.

yeah this dev team seems completely out of touch with its playerbase. Im debating cancelling my sub also this is turning into a wow gear treadmill and soon the power gap in pvp is going to be so great from gear alone its not even going to be able to be enjoyed before vr 14. People can talk up a level cap increase all they wish but if you pvp regularly you know this is going to create an even greater pvp power gap. Right when I thought they had their heads out of their asses and were listening they go and do something completely stupid like this.

How dare they give us more content for our money!!!...

Yup. It sucks. Two more levels to grind. More reason not to level an alt. Yup. It sucks.

If this is the case, then I am deeply disappointed. My current main is at VR10, and, with no way of levelling through quests in Craglorn - due to the disastrously poor grouping tools and unfortunately thought out phasing issues - and a refusal to grind on my part, is likely to stay there. He will now be 4 levels behind, as I can't foresee any greater likelihood of improved grouping mechanics for the 1.4 content.

In addition, however, now that the basic Craglorn content will no longer be top tier, there is even less chance of my finding a group with which to complete the questlines. That means in turn that it will be exponentially harder to experience any new content.

This brings up another main problem that the devs are creating for themselves: namely that by increasing the level cap with each content release, they make each previous top tier content redundant. It would surely be more sensible to keep the top level static and thereby broaden the end game pve options. They are, after all, somewhat thin even as they stand.

There are those who will point out that the difference in real quality between VR10, VR12 and, presumably, VR14 is actually very small. To be fair, that is absolutely true. However - and call me cynical if you will - I'll bet that, nonetheless, the vast majority of pve players will stop running the current VR12 content as soon as the new patch is released.

I had hoped that getting rid of VR levels altogether meant that we would reach a state wherein all post-50 material was, more or less, the same level and therefore all valid end game content. I suspect, if that plan has now been abandoned, it will with hindsight be seen as a major error, as players are going to burn out worringly quickly if things continue on the current model.

2 more veteran levels is not the problem, its that its 2 more group veteran levels. I am a person who loves to group constantly and even I see the problem with this.

oren74 wrote: »

Illumous wrote: »

Made new legendary gear after 1.3 due to set revamping... Finds out that they are raising the Vat ranks soon... STOP TROLLING ME ZENI! This could have been easily avoided if a Road Ahead came out early in the month like the others have been so we could have known about a increase in vet ranks coming. I am getting pretty tired of having to recraft and farm gold every 2 months for a full set of new gear.

This...have to agree 100%. I so wish I would have saved my gold and mats

But then you would be playing the "why bother upgrading after 1.4 when there's a good chance they'll be made useless a few weeks later" game.

Why is anybody surprised?
WOW tend to add new tires of gear with some month delay, note that an common critic of WOW is that they add to little new content, then you realize they draw in 7-10 times the income in ESO the updates they put out are disappointing.

I'm only VR7 and have only been in Craglorn a few times.

cronius77b14_ESO wrote: »

Muletide wrote: »

How dare they give us more content for our money!!!...

dude people are not griping about content troll elsewhere if you actually read what everyone is complaining about its having to grind more VR levels for more gear. People are pissed they are adding this garbage in instead of the champion system first. I think you just want to troll though you obviously havent read any of the complaints. It has ZERO to do with adding content.

Actually yes, I did read the comments... and that's all they were: complaints.

People want to plow through all the content with as little effort as possible to sit at the end stagnantly with their precious gear. (All while complaining that there is no content to do.)

Then some complain that they have to be social while leveling group content in a MMO....

All while complaining about improving gear...

If it were up to all these complainers we'd start the game at level cap with BIS gear.

You think once the Champion system is implemented it was just going to stop at the VR12 equivalent until the end of time?

Welcome to MMORPG's. This may be your first mmo, but this concept of a creeping level cap is common....

Cyberdown wrote: »

Welcome to MMORPG's. This may be your first mmo, but this concept of a creeping level cap is common....

Yes level creep is common, but not in 8-12 week increments. Stop it with this bad excuse. No MMO to date has moved the bar as fast as ESO. The last MMO I played (RIFT), didn't change their level cap for nearly 18 months. Enough.