Just curious, what will it take to get some attention and response from ZOS on the horrible Werewolf situation?

Just my 2 cents, but ZOS has ignored this horrible, horrible, skill line for far too long. This should have been brought up to par with Vamps months ago.

They have forced anyone who wants to keep up to cure and go Vamp, or be miserable like some of us and keep WW maxed, but never being of any use, nor even making it on our skill bars.

Seriously, I ask, what does it take ZOS, to get some comment on this?!

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

They won't answer until you quit asking. It's like when a child constantly begs for something over and over you start ignoring them or punish them.

Wow, I certainly hope you never become a parent.....

Honestly me too.

Lets put it this way if someone starts spamming chat over and over you get annoyed and block them. You keep spamming the forums the moderators may just ignore you.

I don't give two flips what moderators think, or if they ignore me. Its the devs, programmers, and higher that need to be aware of this kind of stuff. Mods are just paid flunkies who keep us forum trolls in line and delete posts when they fall outside of the guidelines. Way back when (during everquests heyday) I used to be a forum mod, and I can tell you that none of the upper people in the company gave a rat's butt about what went on in the forums. PLayers were looked down upon by people like Brad McQuaid, as "They have no idea what they want, I know what they want" was the mentality.

All I keep hearing from ZoS is "we are aware ww isnt performing as expected" and I see NOTHING from them regarding the situation. Just another thing to add to the list of "completely broken and not getting fixed at all". 6 months in now and ww is still a POS.

Artemiisia wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

They won't answer until you quit asking. It's like when a child constantly begs for something over and over you start ignoring them or punish them.

Wow, I certainly hope you never become a parent.....

Well I think after looking at the discussion post you have made in the past, 4 threads about this, is why the reaction is coming.

this thread is officially now a

SO your content to accept anything ZOS hands you? Never complain about things, just blindly smile and say "Thank you ZOS, for all you have given us" Sorry hun, I don't just roll over and play dead. When I am paying the company for a product and I feel its faulty, I say something. As you have pointed out (and others) I myself have made 4 posts about WW issues. How many ZOS replies have there been? Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. No word on when or what will be fixed. You go right ahead and be content with that. I'm not.

I work in system engineering...so I have ask, how are WWs supposed to work. I played through Skyrim and, to me, being a WW sucked. I was much more effective using my normal skills. Being a companion/werewolf just seemed gimmicky.

So how should WWs work? Should they be on par with Vampires? If so, why?

Maverick827 wrote: »

Being on par with Vampires isn't really necessary, but they at least need to be useful in some way.

I guess I still need to know what the expectations are for WWs? What are they supposed to represent and do in the game and hopefully per TES lore.

If there isn't a good grasp of what is supposed to be...how are people gauging that it is broken. You turn fuzzy. You eat people. You get some regen buff when you are fuzzy and eat people...not sure what else to expect.

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I work in system engineering...so I have ask, how are WWs supposed to work. I played through Skyrim and, to me, being a WW sucked. I was much more effective using my normal skills. Being a companion/werewolf just seemed gimmicky.

So how should WWs work? Should they be on par with Vampires? If so, why?

Im so happy for you that you work in systems engineering. Why did you point this out actually? I work as a garbageman, but yet I know how they should work and whats broken...

If you tell a systems engineer that something is broken, he's going to expect you to tell him how it should work and how that's different from the way it is currently working. You can't just tell a systems engineer "it's broken".

UrQuan wrote: »

[quote="sfradenb14_ESO;1202554If you tell a systems engineer that something is broken, he's going to expect you to tell him how it should work and how that's different from the way it is currently working. You can't just tell a systems engineer "it's broken".

Well hold on there, a 'system engineer' is a rather broad line of work. What kind of system is it exactly? A lan, network, PC, or could be a fire control system, or a lift and compact control system for a garbage truck. Any engineer that works on any type of system can call themselves a 'System Engineer' regardless of what kind if system it actually is.
I guess what actually bites my butt are those that throw out an unverified self comment that is designed to somehow bolster their viewpoint above others on forums. I never believe it and some of the most ridiculous comments have been made by so called lawyers, doctors, engineers, programmers, and executives.

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Well hold on there, a 'system engineer' is a rather broad line of work. What kind of system is it exactly? A lan, network, PC, or could be a fire control system, or a lift and compact control system for a garbage truck. Any engineer that works on any type of system can call themselves a 'System Engineer' regardless of what kind if system it actually is.
I guess what actually bites my butt are those that throw out an unverified self comment that is designed to somehow bolster their viewpoint above others on forums. I never believe it and some of the most ridiculous comments have been made by so called lawyers, doctors, engineers, programmers, and executives.

Actually system engineering is as broad as you stated but the job is still the same identify the expectations and define the requirements, it doesn't have to be specific to software. And that doesn't matter. If you thought I was trying to puff up and enhance my viewpoint...I'll point out that my viewpoint was to immediately ask "what do you want" "what do you expect"

Your concern about my statement if way off subject and just needs to be dropped. Focus. Werewolves Why? Werewolves How?

[quote="andre.roques.3b14_ESO;1202611way off subject and just needs to be dropped. Focus. Werewolves Why? Werewolves How?[/quote]

Actually the subject was "When will werewolves be fixed and why is ZOS ignoring it?" This was never a thread about whats broken, or how to fix it, so really you tried to take it off topic, and I just got caught up in replying to your off topic comments.

UrQuan wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

I guess what actually bites my butt are those that throw out an unverified self comment that is designed to somehow bolster their viewpoint above others on forums.

No, you've missed his point. That wasn't intended to bolster his viewpoint at all, it was intended to explain why he was asking how it should work and what was considered broken. It's a system engineer mindset (and a business analyst mindset, and a bunch of other jobs that I could list) to ask how it should be when someone says it's broken.

No, don't think so at all. I see someone who as asking questions that have been answered 20 times over. Im a freaking garbageman, and even I have the intelligence to research my queries prior to blindly asking questions. HINT HINT Use the search feature of these forums, enter 'werewolf' you will find your answers. I find no reason to re-type in what is already out there.

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

I guess what actually bites my butt are those that throw out an unverified self comment that is designed to somehow bolster their viewpoint above others on forums.

No, you've missed his point. That wasn't intended to bolster his viewpoint at all, it was intended to explain why he was asking how it should work and what was considered broken. It's a system engineer mindset (and a business analyst mindset, and a bunch of other jobs that I could list) to ask how it should be when someone says it's broken.

No, don't think so at all. I see someone who as asking questions that have been answered 20 times over. Im a freaking garbageman, and even I have the intelligence to research my queries prior to blindly asking questions. HINT HINT Use the search feature of these forums, enter 'werewolf' you will find your answers. I find no reason to re-type in what is already out there.

You created the thread, you should expect to explain how you think it should work rather than expect people to look for everyone's opinions on how it should work, and then assume that they'll pick out only the ones that you agree with. Yeah, a lot has been said about werewolves. A lot of different opinions and ideas about how they should work. If you're not prepared to say how you think it should work then your entire thread is worthless.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Being on par with Vampires isn't really necessary, but they at least need to be useful in some way.

I guess I still need to know what the expectations are for WWs? What are they supposed to represent and do in the game and hopefully per TES lore.

If there isn't a good grasp of what is supposed to be...how are people gauging that it is broken. You turn fuzzy. You eat people. You get some regen buff when you are fuzzy and eat people...not sure what else to expect.

The expectation for Werewolves is that there should be a tangible benefit for going out of your way to become one. Right now it only makes you weaker.

Maverick827 wrote: »

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Being on par with Vampires isn't really necessary, but they at least need to be useful in some way.

I guess I still need to know what the expectations are for WWs? What are they supposed to represent and do in the game and hopefully per TES lore.

If there isn't a good grasp of what is supposed to be...how are people gauging that it is broken. You turn fuzzy. You eat people. You get some regen buff when you are fuzzy and eat people...not sure what else to expect.

The expectation for Werewolves is that there should be a tangible benefit for going out of your way to become one. Right now it only makes you weaker.

I was under the original impression that the WW was supposed to be the counter to the Vampire with its focus on stamina rather than magicka as the 'fuel' for the class. I have a few issues with balance to the point of there not being a non-ww/vamp option. Basically my main is a Templar, and without being a complete Stendar smite the diseased daedric curse blah blah...I want an option too.

Anyway, I think one of the hurdles with WW skill line is the coupling with stamina, which has been a known build issue...people running around with sticks and robes rather than leathers and daggers.

One can hope there is a progression to continually work out the stamina build issues and then follow on with a reconsideration for the WW line and its effect on those builds.